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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: MacGrigor on Saturday 02 June 18 23:07 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Neil was baptised in Dingwall in 1819. His parents were Simon MacGregor and Margaret MacKenzie, who married in Fodderty in 1811. Neil was the younger brother of my 3x great-granddad, Alexander, baptised in Dingwall in 1815. I see he is on a couple of censuses in Fodderty, but FamilySearch tells me only his age and parish of residence. Can anyone give me any information e.g. did he marry, what did he work as, any children/grandchildren/great-grandchildren etc, when he died.
I'd appreciate any help!
Adam
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Have you tried using freecen.org although I don't know what records they have or what's missing?
Annie
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I've not heard of freecen.org. I'll check it out. I could only find Neil on the 1881 Census and I think it was the 1861 Census.
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There are a few trees on Ancestry that has a death for Neil Macgregor 25 April 1907
Tollie of Brahan Fodderty ..You would be better to check this out on Scotlands People to make sure if is the right person ..
He seems to have lived at the same address right up to his death ..
1871 Census Neil McGregor age 52 born Fodderty farmer of 20 acres arable
Margaret McGregor age 48 b Fodderty wife
Alexander McGregor age 24 ...Mason
Simon McGregor age 19 farmers son
Margaret McGregor age 15 farmers daughter
Jessie McGregor age 8 farmers daughter
Catherine Macgregor age 40 sister
All born Fodderty
Rosie
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Thanks! That's very likely to have been him, judging by the names of his children as well.
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The best place for checking is Scotlands People I would start with the death certificate first to make sure it's your Neil
As I said he was at same address on all census records he married a Margaret McLeod have not found a record yet ..but this is him on the 1851 Census at Tollie Fodderty Rosshire
Neil McGregor age 32 farmer
Peggy McGregor 29
Alexr McGregor 3 Simon 3
Catherine McLeod 26 sister in Law
Peggy McLeod 62 mother in Law
He is also with this family on the 1841 Census you can check on freecen
Rosie
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Thanks! Can you find anything on his sons Alexander and Simon?
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Will have a look and see :)
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Much appreciated.
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Just checked marriage for Simon McGregor occupation blacksmith .. he married Maggie McPhail 23 March 1883 district Inverness //Father Neil McGregor farmer mother Margaret McLeod
1881 census Simon McGregor at Tolly Glack ? occupation blacksmith
1891 census address 6 Proby St Fodderty
Simon McGregor age 34 b Fodderty ...Blacksmith
Margaret McGregor age 34 b Fodderty
Neil 7 ,Mary 5,Hector 3 Alexander 1
1901 census Same address
Simon McGregor 45 blacksmith
Margaret 45
Neil 17 coach builders apprentice
Hector 13 Mary 1 .Alex 11 Margaret A 2
Rosie
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Thanks! That's great.
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Immigration record for Simon McGregor age 54 occupation blacksmith arrival date 11/9/1910
Quebec Canada ship Athenia
1916 census Medicine Hat Alberta
Simon McGregor age 64 born Scotland immigration year 1910 farmer working on own account
Religion Free Church
Maggie McGregor age 62
Neil McGregor age 29
Mary 25,Hector 23.Alec 21 John 18, Margaret 16
Rosie
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As said earlier, have a look at the FreeCEN website, there are quite a few records for the MacGregor family in that area.
For instance....."MACGRIGOR (sic), Piece SCT1841/65, Fodderty Parish - Ross and Cromarty, ED5, Folio-0, Page 15.....
"MACGRIGOR, Alexander........" plus nine others.
The cottages were demolished in the sixties and there is now a field of barley waving in the breeze!
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Thanks rosie17! You've been very helpful.
Agneshill, I tried numerous census searches but found nothing.
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If you search www.findagrave.com you will find a picture of grave stone and some details of family members ..Hector Macgregor birth year 19 April 1887 died 22 June 1977 Alberta
Burial Hillside Cemetery Alberta
Margaret Macphail 25 Sept 1856 -Jan 17 1947
Wife of Simon Macgregor
Possible Burial for Simon Macgregor 17 July 1926
Canada WWW1 Attestation Papers for Neil McGregor birth date 4 Feb 1884 Dingwall Scotland
Single religion Presbyterian
Next of kin father Simon Macgregor address Schular Alta
Enlisted Medince Hat Alberta 27/11/17 age 34
Rosie
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Alberta Canada Homestead Records application date 23 June 1913 Simon McGregor age 54 birth
Scotland Rosshire
Previous occupation blacksmith residence place Schuler Alberta
Son Hector application date 5 May 1911 age 23 born Scotland Rosshire
Rosie
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Canada WWW1 Attestation Papers for Neil McGregor birth date 4 Feb 1884 Dingwall Scotland
Single religion Presbyterian
Next of kin father Simon Macgregor address Schular Alta
Enlisted Medince Hat Alberta 27/11/17 age 34
Rosie
Link to attestation papers on the Canadian thread - 24 pages
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794535.new#new
Sandra
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Just checked marriage for Simon McGregor occupation blacksmith .. he married Maggie McPhail 23 March 1883 district Inverness //Father Neil McGregor farmer mother Margaret McLeod
PM your e-mail address if you would like the copy of this marriage :)
Rosie
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Thanks for all of this!
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Your welcome Simon was easier to tace then Alexander :P
Rosie
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Do any of the censuses Simon and co. appear on indicate what language/s they spoke? I'm not sure when that question was introduced to the Scottish censuses. I'm just curious to see if any of them spoke Gaelic but it's probably the wrong area of the Highlands.
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I think the census from 1891 shows if they spoke Gaelic you would need to view the original census on Scotlands People ..The census in Canada 1916 shows speaks English
Rosie
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Thanks.
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1881 census Simon McGregor at Tolly Glack ? occupation blacksmith
Glaick of Tolly - now demolished and ploughed over in the name of progress!
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I spent some time yesterday, in Strathconon, with the Session Clerk of the Contin Church of Scotland who confirmed that the Church Records of his church, along with most other C of S churches, are with the NLS in Edinburgh.
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I spent some time yesterday, in Strathconon, with the Session Clerk of the Contin Church of Scotland who confirmed that the Church Records of his church, along with most other C of S churches, are with the NLS in Edinburgh.
All the pre-1855 registers of the Church of Scotland parishes are in the care of the Registrar General (not the National Library of Scotland) in Edinburgh and the contents are available online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
When statutory civil registration was introduced in 1855, the legislation included a power to the Registrar General to collect all the C of S registers for safe keeping, and an obligation on the C of S to hand them over to the RG. Therefore there is no point in going to any Church of Scotland if you want to look up a baptism or proclamation of banns before 1855.
The surviving C of S registers from 1855 onwards remain with the churches.
The Roman Catholic registers, and many of the free churches' registers, are also available online.
The Episcopal Church's surviving registers are either still in the churches or in diocesan, local or university archives.
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Thanks!
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Immigration record for Simon McGregor age 54 occupation blacksmith arrival date 11/9/1910
Quebec Canada ship Athenia
1916 census Medicine Hat Alberta
Simon McGregor age 64 born Scotland immigration year 1910 farmer working on own account
Religion Free Church
Maggie McGregor age 62
Neil McGregor age 29
Mary 25,Hector 23.Alec 21 John 18, Margaret 16
Rosie
Just to be clear, is the immigration record solely for Simon or for his whole family? The 1916 census says they all arrived in Canada in 1910.
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Looks like he was travelling alone. It appears he was going to his son, a blacksmith, in Alberta.
Men often went ahead to set up a home before families joined them. Arrival dates can be a bit fluid in the census records. I have had a look for Margaret and the children arriving but haven't been able to spot them at the moment. Not all records are on line...depends on port of arrival and date. Also, probably not all records survive, either.
PB
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That answers my questions, thanks. Do you know the name of his son already in Canada?
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I'm afraid not and it doesn't say on the manifest. One would think it would have been the eldest but not necessarily. Were the sons all blacksmiths? If not would help to narrow the son down.
PB
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Well they all became farmers by 1916, so I don't know what they were before they started farming sadly. Thanks for the help! That's cleared up a few minor details anyway.
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There is a possibility Hector Macgregor could have been the son he was going out to
This looks like immigration record for Hector Macgregor age 23 occupation general labourer
Departure Glasgow
Arrival date 10/5/1910 Quebec
Ship Cassandra
Seems to be on the 1911 census records Canada
Hector Macgregor age 23 occupation farming previous occupation Blacksmith
Birth year April 1888 Scotland..immigration year 1910
District Medicine Hat Alberta
Rosie
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Well they all became farmers by 1916, so I don't know what they were before they started farming sadly. Thanks for the help! That's cleared up a few minor details anyway.
Father Simon was a blacksmith and son Neil on the 1901 Scotland census was Coach builders apprentice
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That's very helpful! Thank you.
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Their daughter Margaret A Macgregor travelled back to Scotland several times 1921 /1926
Her occupation was teacher her address she was going to was her sister Mrs Crowe ,Druide Knowe Lochlee Forfarshire
Rosie
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Thanks! I've noted that down.
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Possible death for Mary Crowe 1974 Brechin age 89 other surname McGregor mothers maiden name McPhail
Marriage for a Mary McGregor to a John Crowe 1908 Fodderty Rosshire looks good
Rosie
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That's certainly likely! Thank you.
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Your welcome still not finding record of his wife and family on immigration :P
Rosie
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There is a possibility Hector Macgregor could have been the son he was going out to
This looks like immigration record for Hector Macgregor age 23 occupation general labourer
Departure Glasgow
Arrival date 10/5/1910 Quebec
Ship Cassandra
Seems to be on the 1911 census records Canada
Hector Macgregor age 23 occupation farming previous occupation Blacksmith
Birth year April 1888 Scotland..immigration year 1910
District Medicine Hat Alberta
Rosie
Can anyone find the date this ship left Glasgow?
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Hector MacGregor age 23 birth year about 1887 ( G Lab )
Departure date 30/4/1910 Glasgow
Going to Quebec
Ship Cassandra
Rosie
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That’s great! Thanks.
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I’ve confirmed
a) Neil McGregor did indeed die in 1907
b) Simon McGregor and his entire family did all speak both English and Gaelic according to the 1891 Census
I’ve had no luck locating Neil on the 1891 Census, nor his son John (who registered his death). I haven’t found any census records for Neil either, so I’m not even sure when John was born. I have some ScotlandsPeople credits left over, so if anyone could help me find the census records, that’d be great!
Adam
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Found Neil! He spoke only Gaelic.
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Found Neil! He spoke only Gaelic.
Glad you found him :D
Rosie
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Had to search through all the images by listing :)
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Had to search through all the images by listing :)
Worth it in the end ;D
Rosie
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I recently came across this string while researching my MacGregor ancestors with my mother. Neil MacGregor (we had b. 1821, d. 1907?) and married to Margaret McLeod is my great, great grandfather. Margaret A. MacGregor who you show having visited Scotland in 1921 and 1926 was my maternal grandmother (Neil's son Simon MacGregor's daughter). I have fairly good info on what happened to the MacGregors when they reached Medicine Hat.
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Hi vanmoore and a warm welcome to rootschat hopefully MacGrigor will make contact with you soon to share your information
Rosie :)