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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: mochara on Sunday 03 June 18 05:36 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Searching for information on my great great grand-parents James O'Hanlon born 1839 Bridge St Dundalk Louth married an Ann/e Hanratty but not in St Patricks (already checked that out) they settled in Dundalk and had their children there but would info on Ann/e Hanratty if possible
James' parents were a James O'Hanlon and Ellen Duffy married in Dundalk
Thanks in advance
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Hello mochara,
There is a published tree which has James marrying Ellen Murtaugh in New York about 1870.
This looks like the emigration record for the O’Hanlon family.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27PQ-NJR
The family in 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSFM-YBC
What information do you have re James’ birth?
Heywood
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Thank you heywood but not my O'Hanlons, James was born in Dundalk also his two brothers Charles and Joseph, his father married Ellen Duffy as I got the record fronm the church records but unfortunately no marriage recorded for his marriage to Ann/e Hanratty, >:(
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Yes that is the one in the church records October 1839.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632582#page/122/mode/1up
Do you have a different one?
That family also have a Charles.
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Hi heywood
The James O Hanlon record is listed as number 22 in the parish records for St Patricks Dundalk, mother Ellen Duffy and father James o'Hanlon address is listed as Bridge St and this is the same address for Ellen Duffy when she married James on the 28th June 1835, I think this was where she lived as it is recorded in the parish records
Other siblings of James are Charles I think born 1836 and Joseph born between 1837 and 1838
Thank you for our kindnesss in the replies
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It maybe that the family tree is wrong, I don’t know but it shows that family as Famine emigrants in 1849 aboard The Unicorn :-\
Did your James or Ann survive to 1901 census?
I see on your other post that there is a Bernard in your family. Was he the grandson of James and Ann?
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Hi heywood
James and Anne had 10 children all born in Dundalk, their son James lived in 5 St Marys Road he was a dealer in iron or similiar his son was called Bernard and yes that was James and Annes grandson he was killed in Dublin in 1921, O'Hanlon Park is called after him I got the newspaper clipping from the time to verify this but unfortunatley have no photos of any O'Hanlon except one who was Bernards sisters as they were school teachers in Knockbridge, Peg or Margaret O'Hanlon was the girls school princple back in the day and Bridget her sister also taught there.
Thank you so very much for your time
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I am off out now but it is James who married Ann that was born abt 1839, wasn’t it?
It is that birth I am querying as there is the conflicting ‘evidence’ (in the tree and in NY) that James, son of James and Ellen, emigrated as a child.
If this were true, then your James would not be the one born 1839 in Dundalk.
I just don’t want you to be following the wrong person.
Bernard’s family are born in various places and Rose, his mother, is with the children but not her husband in censuses.
I wondered if they were not Dundalk originally.
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Hi
Yes I know all about Rose and James they were married in Glasgow and I have all their info.
Its James born in 1839 in Dundalk that married Anne Hanratty that I need info on, according to St Patricks records James and Ellen's family only had 3 sons born between 1836 and 1839.
Once again thank you so very much, have a great evening oops sorry day as its evening her ein Australia
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Marriages usually take place in the brides parish, have you checked the surrounding parishes in case Anne was from a different parish than her husband?
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Please bear with me ::)
There seems to be two couples James O’Hanlon/Ann Hanratty baptising children.
Unfortunately probably not all the names are included in the indexes.
Carlingford South - residence Whitestown
21st July 1848 John Hanlon
19th August 1851 Peter Hanlon
27th June 1854 Owen Hanlon
19th January 1858 Anne O’Hanlon
16th August 1860 Mary Hanlon
25th January 1863 Patrick Hanlon
3rd September 1865 Bridget O’Hanlon
Then there is Dundalk Bridge Street
22nd Dec 1861 Cath O’Hanlon
12th January 1863 Pat O'Hanlon
24th May 1867 Edward O’Hanlon
21st July 1869 Anne O’Hanlon
10th October 1876 Thomas O’Hanlon
4th April 1879 Elizabeth O’Hanlon
There are probably some missing and they cannot be the same people because of the overlap in dates.
The Bridge Street group have a father James, a Locksmith and there is a possible death in 1895 for this James.
I am assuming yours are the second group so would the marriage be about 1860?
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Nice work Heywood
the father's also have different occupations
Bridget 1865, father is a Labourer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03554/2308616.pdf
Edward 1867 ,father is a locksmith
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03487/2289127.pdf
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Hi Heywwod
Thank you, yes the second ones from Bridge St are the ones I am looking for, I have all their info and yes the father was a locksmith, this is the james o hanlon who married anne hanratty that I am searching information on, I know their eldest son got married in Scotland and on that certificate it lists the father as a locksmith.
Jmaes was born in 1839 as per St Patricks parish records has two brothers and I have his mother and fathers wedding listed as 28/6/1835 again as per St Patricks records, but cannot find anything on hs brothers or his parents, and his wife Anne Hanratty seems to be elusive, the gentleman at St Pats in Dundlak said maybe try Drogheda as there were lots of Hanrattys there but I could not find anything I am guessing that Anne had a brother called there is an Edward Hanratty and he appears as a sponsor for some of the births of her children.
Kind Regards
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Thank you :)
It doesn’t look too good, does it?
Who do you have as the oldest child of James and Anne? My list has Catherine in 1861, which would perhaps give a marriage around end 1860/beginning 1861.
Do you have her in any documents later?
Here is James in 1901.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__2/Linenhall_Street/1560868/
He shows as 37 yrs and born Armagh. This would give a birth abt 1863/4.
Did he come between Pat and Edward?
I found Bridget, baptised 1872 - her Godmother was Mary Hanratty.
Here are some other siblings
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__2/Sheil_s_Court/1560970/
Charles McCoy is the son of Anne Hanlon.
Ages are out by a couple of years which is common practice.
I know you say you have all this but it might help others to search.
Lots of Parish records have gaps and you might be unlucky.
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Hi
Yes James born 1863/4 and I know his history, Bridget was my great grandmother and her sister Ann married in the North to a Mc Coy.
I didn't know there was a Catherine I always thought that James was the eldest, the problem is I think that the same names run through all the family I have James born 1863/4 getting married in Glasgow and one of his witnesses is named as Patrick Hanratty, so maybe this is his cousin??
It is hard as O'Hanlon is such a common name but the son James lost 3 children inside a month in 1921 I thought that there miight have something about this in papers at the time, I read an obituary about his son Bernard hence how I know that James and Rose the boys parents were making three burials of their children insdie such a short period of time.
Thank you ever so much for your time I appreciate it.