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Title: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 03 June 18 20:26 BST (UK)
Anne Davies married my great-uncle William Jones on 13th December 1871 in Lampeter, Cardiganshire. We've researched William elsewhere on this site.
Anne's father was David Davies, innkeeper, as stated on the marriage record. It appears that her mother was Margaret, but I haven't been able to find much about Anne's parents.
For that matter, I wonder what happened to Anne's second husband who I believe was David Griffiths. Anne and David married in 1897 in Q June in Bridgend, Glamorgan.
Thanks
Richard aka Rkive
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 03 June 18 21:21 BST (UK)
I was beginning to doubt David Davies existence, as I can;t find him with Margaret and Anne in 1851 or 1871, but he pops up on 1881 and 1891,

1881 - Neuadd Arms (same as Margaret in 1871)
David Davies    55 - butcher and innkeeper b Llangadock
Margaret Davies    51

RG11, 5438, 67, 26
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 03 June 18 21:27 BST (UK)
Although Margaret is a widow in 1871, on closer examination, so is this a second David Davies? Interestingly, Ms Davies of Neuadd Arms, Lampeter,  takes on the tenancy of the slaughterhouse in 1879.
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 03 June 18 21:32 BST (UK)
Well that's confusing.
I thought that David had died about 1868. I couldn't decipher the name of the Inn that you say is the Neuadd Arms. What is the English for "Neuadd?"
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Thanks very much Mabel.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 03 June 18 21:36 BST (UK)
"Neuadd" means "Hall"

Quite possible Margaret married two David Davies. Do yuo have her first husband at all, as I can;t find hom with them in 1851 or any of them in 1861
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 03 June 18 21:46 BST (UK)
No. I don't have anything definitive about David, Margaret or Anne.
I've looked at this branch before and drawn a blank.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: osprey on Sunday 03 June 18 22:03 BST (UK)
possible in 1851

Pantynos, Llanfair Clydogau HO107/2483 folio 172 pg 16
David Morgans head mar 65 farmer of 40 acres b. Llanfair
Mary wife 54 b. Cellan
Mary dau 15 b. Llanfair
Margaret Davies wife 22 dressmaker b. Cellan
Ann dau 2 b. Cellan
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 00:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Osprey.
In the marriage record I've seen, David Davies in not noted as being deceased in 1871. Perhaps he is, perhaps he isn't.
So, the 1851 census record you found could fit and he could have died between late 1848 and 1851.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: osprey on Monday 04 June 18 09:44 BST (UK)
well the 1851 says wife so he would appear to be alive. Cellan & Llanfairclydogau are among the missing pieces from 1861

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces

Wonder if the David Davies of the Queens Arms in this article in 1868 is him?

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3038866/3038870/44/

There is a notice 3 April 1868 of the death of David Davies of Church St, Lampeter but no mention of an inn/pub which makes it seem unlikely to be the correct one.

 :-\
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 14:46 BST (UK)
Thank you Osprey.
I didn't realise that there were so many missing pieces. I see other areas of interest for me on that list e.g. Newport, Pembrokeshire.
 :-\
"IN MEMORIAM. JONES-GRIFFITHS.—In loving memory of Anne Jones-Griffiths, formerly of the Wyndham Hotel, Bridgend, who passed away at Caederwen, Llantwit Road, Treforest, August 30th, 1911"
It appears that Anne remarried in 1897 to a David Griffiths, but I can find very little about him. Anne and David are not together in the 1901 or 1911 census.
 ???
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: osprey on Monday 04 June 18 15:42 BST (UK)
yes, there's an amount missing. One of my families of interest would have been on a lost piece as well.

Just checking the newspapers for mentions of the family

death of William Jones in 1894
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3369060/3369076/104/


marriage of Maggie R, so older daughter Jane Anne/ Jennie must have died

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3255834/3255835/4/

John H passing his exams

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4143780/4143784/89/

Janie's funeral
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3794403/3794411/61/

marriage of Henrietta Maude
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3433582/3433588/136/


but no sign of Mr Griffiths as yet...
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: osprey on Monday 04 June 18 16:40 BST (UK)
Anne's remarriage was 3rd Oct 1895 to Benjamin Griffiths 40, chemist, father David, potato merchant, deceased. Anne lost a few years as she was noted as 44, address Wyndham Arms, father David Davies, merchant, deceased. Marriage by licence.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3735522/3735526/34/

1901 census ref RG13/5050 folio 29 pg 50 he's boarding at 4 Mackworth St, aged 46, chemist & licensed victualler, born Bridgend, also boarding in the same house his mother
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXD-S2S

death of Benjamin's mother
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3886343/3886348/34/

reason for not living together!
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3283519/3283522/51/

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3371441/3371446/136/

 :o
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 18:25 BST (UK)
Bravo Osprey!
The marriage record that I incorrectly found was Ann (not Anne) Jones to David Griffiths in Q June 1897 in Bridgend; vol 11a page 1112.
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Now I can fill in the blanks.
Thanks very much for all your research. I was just promoting this web site today, as I always get great assistance.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 04 June 18 18:57 BST (UK)
Here's a bit more on William Jones' death and some of his family background. Confirms the eldest daughter died soon after they moved to Bridgend

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3313879/3313881/8/
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 19:07 BST (UK)
Thanks Mabel.
This includes about my g g grandfather John Jones -
 "His father kept a shoemaker's shop, and employed a large number of hands. ln fact his shop was the principal seat of industry in the neighbourhood, and his boots were famous throughout the land. "Jackie Baker," as he was familiarly known, were household words for many a decade and the history of Lampeter is inseparately connected with that of his shop."
 ???
I found virtually nothing about Jackie Baker, so it doesn't appear that they were "household words" unless they were spelled quite differently.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 19:34 BST (UK)
The most likely death record I see for our sweet Benjamin Griffiths is Q March 1934 in Bridgend; vol 11a page 1023.
Richard
Title: Re: Anne Davies born about 1850 in Cellan - who were her parents?
Post by: Yasmina4 on Sunday 23 September 18 19:56 BST (UK)
Quote from: rkive82 on Monday 04 June 18 19:07 BST (UK)
Thanks Mabel.
This includes about my g g grandfather John Jones -
 "His father kept a shoemaker's shop, and employed a large number of hands. ln fact his shop was the principal seat of industry in the neighbourhood, and his boots were famous throughout the land. "Jackie Baker," as he was familiarly known, were household words for many a decade and the history of Lampeter is inseparately connected with that of his shop."
 ???
I found virtually nothing about Jackie Baker, so it doesn't appear that they were "household words" unless they were spelled quite differently.
Richard

Id heard the same story about jackie baker. Im surprised its not recorded.