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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: rpoole on Monday 04 June 18 11:47 BST (UK)
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I am seeking advice on what is written in the last column of the entry for Sarah Poole widow aged 90 on the 1901 census at the Cirencester Workhouse. It is mentioned a few times on the Workhouse inmates records. It looks like "Eng C not st" but what does this mean? ??? Maybe English-cannot stand? or English Church not stated? any ideas welcome. The URL for the item is too long to post on this site, But can be found under English census 1901 for Sarah Poole born 1811. I believe she may be the widow of my Thomas Poole, convict, from Upton St Leonards.
Cheers, Aussie Bob
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It has generally been written in the infirmities column but against entries that give place of birth as N.K. (Not Known)
It probably relates to the place of birth being England - possibly England County not stated
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Yes that may be it. The place of birth is "N K" so you may be right. Any further input welcome if there is someone who knows for sure what it stands for.
Many thanks
Aussie Bob
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N.K. Not Known is used very frequently in Census Returns
As Sarah POOLE wasn't in the Cirencester Workhouse in 1891 - this is probably her in the Rural District of Cirencester
1891, Rodmarton
Sarah POOLE, Head, Widow aged 84 on Parish Relief, born Glos. Rodmarton. Earlier census returns husband's named: JACOB
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Where do you have your Sarah last on census
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? is your Thomas POOLE, aged 37 of Upton St Leonards transported 5 January 1841 for 7 years for larcency...
Gloucestershire Genelogical Database Criminal also has
for Upton St Leonar
Thomas POOLE in 1822 aged 19 (labourer) and Thomas POOLE 1825 aged 21, labourer
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Yes, that is my Thomas. I do not know anything about his wife except on his convict records he is reported as "Married" "wife Sarah" one child. Nothing other than that. Jacob being her husband discounts the Sarah mentioned in Capetown's first post. I have found a Thomas Pool's marriage to a Sarah Moriss (maybe sic?) in 1825 in the parish of Hempstead hamlet of Littleworth. On one of Thomas' crime reports he had stolen from a Robert Morris so I thought that may be the marriage. However on Thomas' convict records for Read/Write it states "B" which I believe is "Both". Further Thomas signed both of his next 2 marriage registrations in Tasmania. On the Sarah Moriss marriage he signed with an X. Further, a witness was Robert Pool, and my Thomas had one sibling who was Robert. But why sign with an X??? My Thomas was baptised 1803 in Upton St Leonards to Samuel and Mary Pool nee Brown. I have the parents burials and all of Robert's family. What I need is Thomas' marriage in Eng. and Samuel and Mary's parents.
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Samuel POOL was buried at Upton St Leonards, 4 April 1832 aged 53 = 1779
He is listed on UK Poll Books, Upton St Leonard is
POOLE Samuel - his own and also listed is Thomas POOLE abode, Pitcombe - land
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Just quickly looked at the Will of Thomas POOL of Pitcomb 1785 - which talks about giving his Sons, William & Robert, land at Upton - so family names here possibly?
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Thanks Capetown, Yes, that is my Samuel, and I believe the Pitcombe Pool family will be related because of the land at Upton St Leonards, but connecting them to my known Samuel is proving very frustrating. Records are sparse in the latter part of the 1700's for that area. There is a John Pool and Mary Pool (Rodway) who had a Wiliam in USL also. Connecting Samuel up to his elusive parents is a real problem. Many thanks for your efforts.
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The Forest of Dean Family History website (free to join) has transcribed the Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823
Had a quick look
There are usually two records for the same person (each one giving more info)
Record ID 64710 - dated 15 February 1772
John POOL, Yeoman, residence: Upton St Leonards
Mary RODWAY - Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards **
Marriage by Bond:
He signs
witness 1: Charles WELLS a Yeoman of Upton St Leonards
Memoranda: The groom and Charles WELLS are bound in the sum of £500. To marry at Upton St Leonards
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The Record ID 46400 - for the same couple, give John POOL aged 21, and Mary RODWAY - is aged 21 (Marriage by Licence)
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then there is: two records for Thomas POOL is is aged 24, at a Batchelor, Yoeman of Pitchomb who marries a Elizabeth DOWDESWELL - aged 24, to marry at Painswick - 8 May 1778
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and a Samuel DOWDESWELL aged 34, Batchelor, of Standish - to marries an Elizabeth POOL Aged 24, Spinster, of Pitchomb - 17 February 1781 to marry at Pitchomb
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Checking the National Archives, just Google: A2a
Will have a look, but the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (on Ancestry Wills) - hold the Will of Thomas POOLE 6 April 1820 - of Pitchcombe
quite a bit at the National Archives, including in 1792, John RODWAY v Mary POOLE, adultery, Upon St Leonards etc.
Also on the National Archives, 1785:
POOLE/POOLL, Thomas Pitchcombe, Probate Causes - so the surname was also spelt POOLL
?There is a Samuel POOLL, christened at Stroud St Lawrence 23 March 1776, parents: Samuel & Hannah (about 2.5 miles from Pitchcomb)
siblings: at Stroud St Lawrence :Hannah : 13 November 1774, Susanna, 25 January 1778 - death 11 July 1779 and Thomas 30 June 1779, John 30 June 1782, William POOL - 1787
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Burials at Stroud St Lawrence
Samuel POOLE - aged 77 years birth about 1746, buried 12 November 1823, residence: Acre Edge, Stroud
Hannah POOLE - aged 84 years c 1745, buried 1 February 1829, residence: Silver Street, Stroud
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Thanks Capetown, you have certainly been busy. I have had Samuel and Hannah from Stroud as possible Parents of my Samuel along with John Pool and Mary (Rodway) - Seems she was a naughty girl. I suspect the Thomas Pool of Pitchcomb is an uncle of my Samuel??
I may never get proof of who his parents are but will enter all your info onto a common timeline spreadsheet along with my own info and keep adding until something gels.
Thanks for letting me know the sources you have used. Written in the USL Church Register is "It appears that there was no entry kept by the minister of Baptisms and Burials from the year 1774 to the year 1783". So other sources are invaluable.