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Hi All, I hope somebody may be able to point me in the right direction.
My paternal Grandfathers mother was born 16th Dec 1903 in the Stapleton Workhouse Bristol to Kate Sandford nee Beer and Ernest Sandford.
While trying to research her I have noticed that, interchangeably, she is sometimes recorded as Seaward or Seward.
This is what I have found:
1. She appears to have been registered in the first quarter of 1904 (Bristol 6a 207) as Seward.
2. Her father (Ernest Sandford) died in 1910
3. 1911 Census, she is recorded as Beatrice Seaward, living with her mother, Kate Sandford in the Beer household (Kate's family)
4. 1916, Kate remarries to William Martin and Beatrice is adopted as Beatrice Seward Martin
5. 1925, marries Clifford E Carpenter with Maiden Name Seaward (Bristol 6a 422)
6. 1925, gives birth to my grandfather Clifford S Carpenter and records mothers name as Sandford, also my grandfathers middle name (Bristol 6a 179)
7. 1926, My Grandfathers sister, Jean is born, mothers maiden name also as Sandford (Bristol 6a 123)
Kate and Ernest married in 1901 but she seems to have been in the workhouse by 1903, Ernest dies in 1910 and Kate remarried 6 years later. Could Kate have been ashamed of Ernest for some reason so changed her name slightly?
Basically, I hope someone can help me fathom as to why Beatrice would keep changing her name?
Many thanks
Pete Carpenter
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Hi have you followed Ernest back to see if his name changes slightly?
Is he the Earnest Sanford 24 Single occ Mill Hand b Bridgwater, Somerset shown as boarder with a John Beer 64 and Sarah Beer 56 at Luckwell Lane, Bristol in 1901 Census ref RG13/2360/94/32
Keyboard86
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Hi
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Are you sure that the birth registration is that of your gt grandmother?
There is a baptism in Fishponds on the 15th January 1904 - Beatrice Seward daughter of Lilian .
I can’t see another birth registration either.
Perhaps it maybe worth checking out who this Lilian is and what happened to her and her daughter Beatrice - just to rule them out.
Claire
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Welcome to rootschat
The GRO index entry for the birth registration for Beatrice Seward in March qtr 1904 gives no mothers maiden surname indicating a probably illegitimate birth which would tie in with the baptism Claire has found
Added - A Stapleton birth should be registered in Barton Regis RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/barton%20regis.html
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After checking the last available census it would seem Kate Sandford records that she is a widow and boarder as the OP suggests BUT she has NO children.
Beatrice Seaward was a ‘boarder’ with the Beer family. It would suggest that when Kate remarried Beatrice was the adopted daughter of both Kate and William Martin.
I think Beatrice is possibly the daughter of Lilian Seaward.
The family are also in the Bristol Registration District where Beatrice was registered.
Claire
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The GRO index entry for the birth registration for Beatrice Seward in March qtr 1904 gives no mothers maiden surname indicating a probably illegitimate birth which would tie in with the baptism Claire has found
There is a baptism in Fishponds on the 15th January 1904 - Beatrice Seward daughter of Lilian .
A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER
Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1
marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))
This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.
Philip.
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Good evening all,
Thank you so much for replying! Food for thought here for sure!
If we assume that a Lillian Seward is Beatrices mother, why do you think she starts to use Sandford for the birth of her children? Especially as she likely didn't know Ernest Sandford very well at all as he died when she was six.
I have spoken to my Father and he says that his father (who is long dead unfortunately) always told him that his middle name, Sandford, was his mothers maiden name. (that's what beatrice always told him)
Thanks again :)
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After checking the last available census it would seem Kate Sandford records that she is a widow and boarder as the OP suggests BUT she has NO children.
Hi Claire, I saw this also. I noticed that the 'none' was struck through with red. What would that usually signify? (I'm pretty much an amateur at this! lol)
Thank you.
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Beatrice Seaward was a ‘boarder’ with the Beer family. It would suggest that when Kate remarried Beatrice was the adopted daughter of both Kate and William Martin.
Hi again,
The reason that I determined that she was boarding with family is that I have found a parish record of a marriage between Ernest Sandford and Kate Beer on Christmas day 1901 in Long Ashton, Bedminster. Should I treat this as more of a coincidence at this stage?
Sorry for all the questions!
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The GRO index entry for the birth registration for Beatrice Seward in March qtr 1904 gives no mothers maiden surname indicating a probably illegitimate birth which would tie in with the baptism Claire has found
Added - A Stapleton birth should be registered in Barton Regis RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/barton%20regis.html
Hi Rosie and thanks for your reply!
Unfortunately Beatrice was born in 1903 and I believe that Stapleton as a part of the Barton Regis district ceased in 1898 and Stapleton births became a part of the Bristol District at that time. Without knowing for sure the mothers maiden name, should I just make enquiries under both names do you think?
Thank you :)
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You just need to order the Mar qtr 1904 birth certificate (or, more cheaply, a £6 pdf image) from GRO Online using the reference details available from FreeBMD. You don’t need the mother’s maiden name to do that.
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Beatrice Seaward was a ‘boarder’ with the Beer family. It would suggest that when Kate remarried Beatrice was the adopted daughter of both Kate and William Martin.
Hi again,
The reason that I determined that she was boarding with family is that I have found a parish record of a marriage between Ernest Sandford and Kate Beer on Christmas day 1901 in Long Ashton, Bedminster. Should I treat this as more of a coincidence at this stage?
Sorry for all the questions!
Not just a coincidence - Kate got married but her marriage was childless and within a few years she was widowed. By 1911 Beatrice is with Kate & her (Beer) family, but you don’t yet know when Beatrice came into her life. It may be that she was fostered/informally “adopted” by Ernest & Kate together, before Ernest’s death.
Formal legal adoption was not introduced in England until 1927.
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
Her father is shown as John Beer, per transcription.
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I see the following from William Benjamin Martin’s WW1 military records:
Wife: Kate Sandford, married at New Wesleyan Chapel, Bedminster, 13/1/17.
Children:
Violet May - May 5, 1903 Bristol
Edward Thomas - Dec 29, 1904 Bristol
Lily Beatrice - Mar 19, 1910 Bristol
Beatrice Seward (adopted) - Dec 16, 1903 Stapleton
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Hi have you followed Ernest back to see if his name changes slightly?
Is he the Earnest Sanford 24 Single occ Mill Hand b Bridgwater, Somerset shown as boarder with a John Beer 64 and Sarah Beer 56 at Luckwell Lane, Bristol in 1901 Census ref RG13/2360/94/32
Keyboard86
This one?
Keyboard86
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
Hi there,
Yes, this would certainly fit the details I have. Born in 1881 in Bedminster so within walking distance of Ashton/Ashton Gate. Her being married in the Ashton Gate area in 1901 would also point to this being the same Kate. It doesn't state her father but I have the witnesses as John Beer (who I believe is her father) and Thomas Sandford who I believe is Ernest's brother
Thanks for your input!
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
Her father is shown as John Beer, per transcription.
Absolutely right!! I completely missed that :P I am very tired! lol but yes, John is definitely her father.
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Hi have you followed Ernest back to see if his name changes slightly?
Is he the Earnest Sanford 24 Single occ Mill Hand b Bridgwater, Somerset shown as boarder with a John Beer 64 and Sarah Beer 56 at Luckwell Lane, Bristol in 1901 Census ref RG13/2360/94/32
Keyboard86
This one?
Keyboard86
Luckwell Lane is a stones throw from Ashton Gate so i would be inclined to think so!
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
Hi there,
Yes, this would certainly fit the details I have. Born in 1881 in Bedminster so within walking distance of Ashton/Ashton Gate. Her being married in the Ashton Gate area in 1901 would also point to this being the same Kate. It doesn't state her father but I have the witnesses as John Beer (who I believe is her father) and Thomas Sandford who I believe is Ernest's brother
Thanks for your input!
The 1881 census RG11 2451/56 p50 and the 1891 census RG12 1947/28 p2 have Kate as the daughter of John BEER and Sarah J or Sarah T (both born in Devon) with seven siblings born c1863 onwards (Devon, Bristol, Glamorgan, Bedminster).
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You just need to order the Mar qtr 1904 birth certificate (or, more cheaply, a £6 pdf image) from GRO Online using the reference details available from FreeBMD. You don’t need the mother’s maiden name to do that.
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Hi there, thanks for helping :)
I was going to try to order a certificate but I'm not 100% sure of which surname to request. As Beatrice was born On Dec 16th 1903 it seems reasonable that she would be registered 1st Q of 1904. I can't find a Beatrice Sandford in this quarter, but a Beatrice Seward I can.
At this time though Kate was married to Ernest Sandford (Beatrice was born in Stapleton workhouse, Kate possibly as a worker rather than an inmate if I infer from info provided further up the thread that she was working in a 'hospital') or should I request as Seward as there exists a registration ref for this and hope they are the same person?
New thought building upon what others have already suggested earlier. Could Ernest and Kate have 'rescued' Beatrice from an 'inmate' at Stapleton Workhouse (possibly Lillian Seward)?
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:) Hi again, ok let's look at Kate, could she be the Kate Beer aged 20 b Ashton working as a Housemaid in a Hospital in 1901 Census ref RG13/2364/146/1
Does the marriage state her father?
Keyboard86
Thank you. This is what I have, that Kate was born to John and Sarah Jane Beer (nee Evans) and I have the siblings also :) Thanks again
Hi there,
Yes, this would certainly fit the details I have. Born in 1881 in Bedminster so within walking distance of Ashton/Ashton Gate. Her being married in the Ashton Gate area in 1901 would also point to this being the same Kate. It doesn't state her father but I have the witnesses as John Beer (who I believe is her father) and Thomas Sandford who I believe is Ernest's brother
Thanks for your input!
The 1881 census RG11 2451/56 p50 and the 1891 census RG12 1947/28 p2 have Kate as the daughter of John BEER and Sarah J or Sarah T (both born in Devon) with seven siblings born c1863 onwards (Devon, Bristol, Glamorgan, Bedminster).
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These are the details you should use to order the birth certificate:
Beatrice SEWARD, Mar qtr 1904 Bristol 6a 207.
Be aware that if, as expected, she was born as the illegitimate daughter of Lilian Seward, there will be no mention of adoption, or of Ernest & Kate Sandford, on the birth certificate and it is highly unlikely that her joining their family will have been formally documented elsewhere (other than perhaps in workhouse records, which may or may not survive). As I mentioned in an earlier reply, formal adoption was brought in much later on.
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I find myself very tempted to post as much information as I can find, but I don't wan t to clog this thread up with data that could be irrelevant or confusing!
Could I just check to make sure I am not confused -
Beatrice born Dec 1903, registered and baptised 1n 1904 was the daughter of Lilian SEWARD (father unknown).
Somehow, she ends up with the BEER/SANDFORD family
Lilian SEWARD disappears from sight.
We don't yet know if there is any blood relationship between SEWARD and BEER/SANDFORD.
Is that an accurate summary?
Philip
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These are the details you should use to order the birth certificate:
Beatrice SEWARD, Mar qtr 1904 Bristol 6a 207.
Be aware that if, as expected, she is the illegitimate daughter of Lilian Seward, there will be no mention of adoption, or of Ernest & Kate Sandford, on the certificate and it is highly unlikely that her joining their family will have been formally documented elsewhere. As I mentioned in an earlier reply, formal adoption was brought in much later on.
Hi again,
Absolutely! This was apart of the problem I was having in earlier days. Would it be reasonable to assume the informal adoption if I can show that Lillian Seward was a patient/inmate at the same time that Kate Sandford was working there?
In your own opinion, why do you think that Beatrice suddenly started to use Sandford in 1925?
Many thanks for all your help!
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Hi again, wondered why Kate had no near neighbours in 1901 census, she was a Housemaid at the Ham Green Isolation Hospital, Ham Green.
Keyboard86
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I find myself very tempted to post as much information as I can find, but I don't wan t to clog this thread up with data that could be irrelevant or confusing!
Could I just check to make sure I am not confused -
Beatrice born Dec 1903, registered and baptised 1n 1904 was the daughter of Lilian SEWARD (father unknown).
Somehow, she ends up with the BEER/SANDFORD family
Lilian SEWARD disappears from sight.
We don't yet know if there is any blood relationship between SEWARD and BEER/SANDFORD.
Is that an accurate summary?
Philip
Hi Phillip,
Don't worry, it is rather a confusing situation but, yes, I believe your summary is the same as my understanding!
I am now leaning towards the Sandford/Beers having informally adopted Beatrice from Lillian Seward from birth, Lillian potentially being a patient/inmate at the Stapleton Workhouse where I suspect Kate Sandford (nee Beer) was working.
I am going to try and find out what I can about Lillian Seward to see why they would feel the need to do this, perhaps she dies at birth? (pure speculation! :P )
Pete
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I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?
Just thinking about possible reasons for her attachment to the Sandford name.
Mind you it may just be that she used the Sandford name for most of her childhood (Kate only remarrying in 1917) so it felt natural, even though her “correct” birth surname was used in the 1911 census and on her marriage.
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Hi again, wondered why Kate had no near neighbours in 1901 census, she was a Housemaid at the Ham Green Isolation Hospital, Ham Green.
Keyboard86
Oh! That's about 5 miles from Bedminster. And Beatrice is recorded as being born at Stapleton Workhouse. Perhaps she worked in both, or transferred at some point?
Interesting! Thank you!
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I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?
From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?
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I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?
From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?
If so it would have to be - but pure speculation really. I’ve added to my post at reply #27 on this point.
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OK so as their must be a Lilian Seward/Seaward out there in 1901, what happened post 1903?
Keyboard86
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I wonder whether there is any possibility that Ernest Sandford was Beatrice’s natural father?
From a previous relationship/affair with Lillian Seward?
If so it would have to be - but pure speculation really. I’ve added to my post at reply #27 on this point.
I've re-read #27 and the idea seems reasonable to me!.
Also, on a whim I did another search for Sewards born in 1903 and there was also a Lilian Nora Seward born in the 4th Q of 1903... great! lol
EDIT: disregard Lilian Nora, she was born to Amelia and Charles Seward.
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There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.
Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902. So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?
Hmmm. More work to be done.
This one is a red herring - see later post
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OK so as their must be a Lilian Seward/Seaward out there in 1901, what happened post 1903?
Keyboard86
A Lilian M Seward died in 1917 in Frome (not too far from Bristol) aged 40, which would make her born in 1877(ish) and 26 in 1903...
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There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.
Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902. So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?
Hmmm. More work to be done.
Looks like this one can be ruled out. She had a son Arthur Henry Maidment, Sep qtr 1903 Bristol, (born on 3 June 1903) so could not also have given birth to Beatrice.
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A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER
Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1
marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))
This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.
If Beatrice was the daughter of Lilian Sarah Jane SEWARD, this marriage could tie in:
Dec qtr 1914 Bristol vol 6a p183 HART William E H to SEWARD Lilian S J.
This would lead to the scenario that:
Lilian S J SEWARD gave birth to Beatrice in 1903
Some time between 1904 and 1911 Beatrice goes to live with the SANDFORD/BEER family.
(Where was Lilian in 1911?)
Lilian S J SEWARD marries William HART in 1914.
Philip
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There is a Lilian Seward, of the right sort of age to be Beatrice’s mother, in the Bristol area - birth reg Barton Regis Mar qtr 1880.
Puzzlingly though she looks likely to have married an Arthur Maidment in Bristol in 1902. So why might she be having an illegitimate Seward baby in 1903?
Hmmm. More work to be done.
Looks like this one can be ruled out. She had a son Arthur Henry Maidment, Sep qtr 1903 Bristol, (born on 3 June 1903) so could not also have given birth to Beatrice.
I looked at Lilian SEWARD births previously, and have just posted an addition (below)
Philip
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Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
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Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
No need for apologies. I hope I didn't seem rude (I certainly didn't intend to) :)
I'm off to hunt for Lilian in 1911 and see what else I can find
Philip
ADDED
death Mar qtr 1967 Bristol vol 7b p188 HART Lilian S J age 90
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A quick look in Gloucestershire for births 1850 to 1890 including spelling variants shows:
birth Mar qtr 1877 Clifton vol 6a p147 SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane mmn BAILEY
birth Mar qtr 1880 Barton Regis vol 6a p157 SEWARD Lilian mmn SPERRING
birth Dec qtr 1888 Barton Regis vol 6a p125 SEWARD Lilian mmn PALMER
Lilian born 1888 is ruled out by:
death Dec qtr 1889 Barton Regis vol 6a p85 SEWARD Lilian age 1
marriage Sep qtr 1902 Bristol vol 6a p318 SEWARD Lilian and MAIDMENT Arthur
(ADDED - the 1911 census gives Arthur's age as 31 and Lilian's age as 30))
This could leave Lilian born 1877 as the likeliest candidate for Beatrice's mother.
If Beatrice was the daughter of Lilian Sarah Jane SEWARD, this marriage could tie in:
Dec qtr 1914 Bristol vol 6a p183 HART William E H to SEWARD Lilian S J.
This would lead to the scenario that:
Lilian S J SEWARD gave birth to Beatrice in 1903
Some time between 1904 and 1911 Beatrice goes to live with the SANDFORD/BEER family.
(Where was Lilian in 1911?)
Lilian S J SEWARD marries William HART in 1914.
Philip
In 1911 I have the following:
Lilian Sarah Jane Seward (age 34 b. 1877) was living with:
James Seward - father
Sarah Jane Seward - mother
Winifred Marion Seward - Sister
Percy Seward - either son or nephew
EDIT: Living at 73 All Hallows Rd, Easton in the parish of St Phillip and St Jacob near castle park in Bristol
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Re Percy:
Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.
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Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.
Born 31 Aug & baptised 26 Sep 1897 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol - mother Lilian Sarah Jane Seward :)
Middle name spelt Rockett other than on his birth reg where it is Rocket.
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Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
No need for apologies. I hope I didn't seem rude (I certainly didn't intend to) :)
I'm off to hunt for Lilian in 1911 and see what else I can find
Philip
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death Mar qtr 1967 Bristol vol 7b p188 HART Lilian S J age 90
1911 census, Bristol (all born in Bristol)
SEWARD James, head , 63, fitter
SEWARD Sarah Jane, wife
SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane, daughter, 34, corset machinist
SEWARD Winifred Marion, 20, box maker
SEWARD Percy, grandson, 13
ADDED - Percival is Lilian's son (as found by avm228)
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Percival Rocket Seward, no separate mother’s maiden name, Dec qtr 1897 Barton Regis 6a 90.
Born 31 Aug & baptised 26 Sep 1897 St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol - mother Lilian Sarah Jane Seward :)
What a name! So it would seem that Lilian had 'previous'! She is living with Percy and her parents in 1911. Could a dalliance with Ernest Sandford be more realistic than I first thought?
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I’d be looking for a nearby Mr Rockett in the first instance :)
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Yes, sorry Philip - I had not fully digested all that you had done on Lilian :)
No need for apologies. I hope I didn't seem rude (I certainly didn't intend to) :)
I'm off to hunt for Lilian in 1911 and see what else I can find
Philip
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death Mar qtr 1967 Bristol vol 7b p188 HART Lilian S J age 90
1911 census, Bristol (all born in Bristol)
SEWARD James, head , 63, fitter
SEWARD Sarah Jane, wife
SEWARD Lilian Sarah Jane, daughter, 34, corset machinist
SEWARD Winifred Marion, 20, box maker
SEWARD Percy, grandson, 13
ADDED - Percival is Lilian's son (as found by avm228)
Yep, that's the same as I found too! (I have no idea how to find census refs I'm afraid!) Makes me wonder what kind of life Lilian had!
Also, I only discovered today that Beatrice had step siblings (our family never knew) and now she has a half brother as well! wow
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I’d be looking for a nearby Mr Rockett in the first instance :)
Ah! I see! Do you think Percy and Beatrice shared a father?
Why would Lilian not keep Beatrice as she had Percy do you think?
This will doubtless never be known fully!
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I’d be looking for a nearby Mr Rockett in the first instance :)
Ah! I see! Do you think Percy and Beatrice shared a father?
Why would Lilian not keep Beatrice as she had Percy do you think?
This will doubtless never be known fully!
There are a few ROCKETT men* in Bristol , Clifton, Barton Regis and other places. I wonder which one was the father!
NO - not Elton John! ;D
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I’d be looking for a nearby Mr Rockett in the first instance :)
Ah! I see! Do you think Percy and Beatrice shared a father?
Why would Lilian not keep Beatrice as she had Percy do you think?
This will doubtless never be known fully!
There are a few ROCKETT men* in Bristol , Clifton, Barton Regis and other places. I wonder which one was the father!
NO - not Elton John! ;D
;D
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Hi all,
Update is that I have now received Beatrices birth certificate and her mother is Lilian Sarah Jane Seward, the father section is (unsurprisingly) blank.
The first time I see her using Sandford is when she gave it as her maiden name at her wedding. My Grandfather was also given Sandford as his middle name so it must have meant something to her. I find this odd as Ernest Sandford died when she was still very young (7 years old) unless she knew that he was her biological father?
Thoughts?
And thank you