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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ghostgirl on Wednesday 06 June 18 02:33 BST (UK)
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Hi - Elizabeth HARRIS married Andrew James BLAKE in 1877 in the Wentworth district, NSW. The couple had six children, all born in the Wentworth district. The youngest, Bertram, was born in 1890 but died in 1891, again, in Wentworth.
Andrew and the kids then turn up in the 1890's in Norseman, WA. They lived there and in Ravensthorpe.
However, there is nothing to indicate that Elizabeth moved there with them so I suspect she died in NSW. There are 3 possible deaths between 1890 and 1900:
BLAKE ELIZA No 13736/1890 daughter of JOSEPH and LAVINIA at WENTWORTH
BLAKE ELIZABETH A No 7324/1898 daughter of GEORGE A and SARAH A at TUMBARUMBA
BLAKE ELIZABETH No 13059/1898 Parents Unknown at BEGA
I suspect the first one at Wentworth is the correct one, but can't find any death notices on Trove, and I am reluctant to invest in a certificate!! I don't have any subscriptions to the paid websites - is there anyone who can help me to confirm or rule out the three above deaths please? Or point me in another direction?
Thank you!
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Some thoughts ….
Bertie’s death #15707/1891, with parents as Andrew and Eliza, was registered in the Wentworth District.
Eliza BLAKE’s death #13736/1890, with parents as Joseph and Lavinia, was registered in the Wentworth District.
Those two death registrations were the only ones in that surname in the years 1875-1900 in that district.
Official transcriptions of NSW BDM registrations are a good option for family history purposes. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
Eliza Blake's, if mum to Bertie, should give you details of her origins, when/where married, spouse, names/ages of her then living children, gender of any who had succumbed, her usual address, cause/s of death, cemetery, clergy and funeral director.
JM
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Thanks Majm, I think that could be the go!
Cheers :D
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May be of interest http://www.cockatoovalley.com/trent/Trent%20Niemann's%20Families/b11.htm#P5353
Eliza HARRIS (BLAKE) was born in 1859 in Unknown. She died in 1890 at the age of 31 in Wentworth NSW.623 She was buried in 1890 in Wentworth assumed. Parents: Cuthbert Joseph Henry "JOSEPH" HARRIS-1706 and Lavinia "Lavina Gottey" GOTTY (HARRIS)-1707.
Spouse: Andrew James BLAKE-5354. Eliza HARRIS (BLAKE) and Andrew James BLAKE were married in 1877 in Wentworth NSW.101 Children were: Roberet Henry BLAKE-5355, Ellen BLAKE-5356, Percival J BLAKE-5357, Ethel C BLAKE-5359, John BLAKE-5358, Bertram "Bertie" BLAKE-5360.
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Thanks Cup of Life, that's a big help, really appreciate it!
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Just a little support for the Wentworth death being the correct Eliza BLAKE (nee HARRIS)
The NSW bmd indexes show a number of registered births to Joseph and Lavinia HARRIS at Wentworth.
This obituary for Joseph Henry HARRIS makes it clear that not all were registered.
15 children in all ;D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/156769525
He had been in the district from 1850.
Sue
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So, a woman married in 1877, probably born before say 1860, and he mother born say 1840 was called Lavinia ?
Is that plausible ?
The next thing that I suggest that you do, is to check out the popularity of the name Lavinia.
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So, a woman married in 1877, probably born before say 1860, and he mother born say 1840 was called Lavinia ?
Is that plausible ?
The next thing that I suggest that you do, is to check out the popularity of the name Lavinia.
Why not help with the research? Your post does nothing to assist the OP at all.
Cuthbert Joseph Henry HARRIS born c1821 was married twice.
Picton NSW
217/1849 V1849217 34C
HARRIS Joseph
SARGENT Sophia
Two children, Mary and Esther Sophia.
Second marriage in c1855 to Lavinia GOTTE/GOTTY who was born c1836 and died at Wentworth in 1896. There were GOTTE families in SA. I can no marriage in either State.
It was a wonder any of the early births were registered. Wentworth district was an extremely remote are of NSW in that era. I wonder how often a bdm registrar was available.
Photo of Joseph and Lavinia's headstone at Wentworth cemetery
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Lavina-Harpis/13102380
Cando
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So, a woman married in 1877, probably born before say 1860, and he mother born say 1840 was called Lavinia ?
Is that plausible ?
The next thing that I suggest that you do, is to check out the popularity of the name Lavinia.
Although I cannot comment on the frequency of Lavinia as a given name in 1840, it is a very ancient name originating in the Latin mythology. The city of Lavinium was named after her.
I found this information in quick internet search.
I cannot see anything implausible about it's use in early the 19th century.
On the other hand the corruption, Laverne from the TV show, would indeed be unusual.
Sue
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Yes, wise words from Cando.
I mention ... a bdm registrar in that remote, sparse, and huge bdm area known as Wentworth was a part-time position. Sometimes/often these P/time tasks were taken up by those employed in the Courts or by the Police Magistrates. There was no follow up from the Reg Gen's office if quarterly returns failed to arrive in Sydney. Birth registrations were driven by someone going into 'town' and verbally informing the part-timer who may be out of town on police work .... so in era before 24/7 instant communications and with the Darling River in flood or in drought ... paperwork for Sydney was not a high priority.
JM
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And a little more about Elizabeth's father
From family search
Baptism
HARRIS Cuthbert Joseph Harris
16 Sep 1821 At St Philips, Sydney NSW
Birth Date 17 Jul 1821
Father Joseph Harris Mother Esther
And the parish record of his first marriage
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National Directory 1867 BALRANALD DISTRICT
J HARRIS, Gol Gol.
Grevilles 1875 PO Directory WENTWORTH
Joseph HARRIS, dairy
NSW ER 1870 BALRANALD in the Wentworth Police District
James HARRIS, freehold, Wentworth, Darling River
Joseph HARRIS, residence, Mount Lookout, Murray River
NSW ER 1878 BALRANALD in the Wentworth Police District
Joseph HRRIS, residence, Wentworth, Darling River
James HARRIS, freehold, Wentworth, Darling River
Joseph HARRIS,freehold, Mount Lookout, Murray River
NSW ER 1902 RIVERINA, polling Wentworth (first roll to include females)
ALL with surname as HARRIS
Annie Amelia, (of) Wentworth, domestic duties
George, (of) Wentworth, labourer
James, (of) Wentworth, freeholder
Joseph, (of) Anabranch, Avoca, teamster
Joseph, (of) Wyndamingle, Avoca, homestead lessee
NSW ER 1902 RIVERINA, polling Gol Gol Station
Joseph HARRIS, (of) Arumpo, carrier
JM