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Is it possible for anyone to find me the names of parents for Rachael Madeline Clifford born about 1916-1920 . I know she married Mr Morris in 1939, but its her maiden name I am seeking please.
Kind regards
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Was her maiden name Clifford?
but its her maiden name I am seeking please.
Kind regards
Cheers Janette
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Hi there, Rachaels mum and dads names if at all possible please>
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Hi,
Has this lady died and if so where did she die?
Cheers Janette
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Here you go this is their engagement notice
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19390822.2.5.14?end_date=31-12-1941&phrase=0&query=morris+clifford&start_date=01-01-1938
Cheers Janette
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This may be her siblings
1916/19228 Clifford Benice Elsie Gladys Charles Henry
1915/13263 Clifford Denis Frederick Elsie Gladys Charles Henry
1917/27042 Clifford Patricia Elsie Gladys Charles Henry
And parents names,
Cheers Janette
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Hi,
Has this lady died and if so where did she die?
Cheers Janette
Janette, she died in 2003, and will be under her 2nd marriage name of Miles. BDM gives birth 23 June 1920.
Cheers
KHP
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Thank you all for your help. I will see if I can get the death notice for her to see if the earlier mentioned siblings names match to be sure I'm on the correct family.
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Janette, she died in 2003, and will be under her 2nd marriage name of Miles. BDM gives birth 23 June 1920.
Cheers
KHP
A divorce
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22518219
Cheers Janette
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Death notice sent by PM,no siblings mentioned
Cheers Janette
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Hi telephonist
The "possible" parents (and siblings) named in reply # 5 are not related to Rachael Madeline CLIFFORD.
In the following Probate file for Mary Annie CLIFFORD you will see that in her Will > at Image 252 > she makes bequests to her three step-children, namely Rachael Madeline MORRIS, Cymbaline CARR and Charles Lloyd CLIFFORD. These were the children of Charles CLIFFORD and his first wife Annie Elizabeth (nee LLOYD).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L98T-QX1?i=248&cc=1865481
~ Lu
more to follow > >
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NZ Marriage
Annie Elizabeth LLOYD - Charles CLIFFORD -- Year: 1910
NZ Death
1928 - CLIFFORD - Annie Elizabeth - 39 years
NZ Marriage
Charles Hugh CLIFFORD - Mary Annie SENIOR -- Year: 1930
(Marriage # 2 for father of Rachael Madeline CLIFFORD)
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The following Probate file contains a copy of the Death Certificate for Charles Hugh CLIFFORD (d. 1947).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS9F-NQW5-D?i=200&cc=1865481&cat=2278074
~ Lu
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Telephonist ... there's a little more info to come .... just managed to "wipe out" a post I had ready to send ... will try again. ;D
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Just noting that in the engagement notice of 1939, reference is made to "younger daughter of Mr and Mrs C.H. CLIFFORD" of Naylor Street ... late of Kerepehi.
The "Mrs CLIFFORD" mentioned, will though be Rachel's step-mother, Mary Annie CLIFFORD.
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Electoral :
1919 - Auckland - Grey Lynn
CLIFFORD - Charles Hugh - constable
CLIFFORD - Annie Elizabeth - married ... both residing at 6 Tennyson Street
1928 - Thames roll
CLIFFORD - Charles Hugh - Police constable at Kerepehi
~ Lu
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Death Notice - Annie Elizabeth CLIFFORD :
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19281020.2.2.4
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Buried at Shortland Cemetery, Thames - 21 October 1928 : Catholic : Burial record states she was born at Auckland.
~ Lu
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Deaths of siblings :
NZ Deaths
1977 - CARR - Cymboline Gracie* - d.o.b. 30 May 1913
[Note: Various spellings in records - "Cymbaline" / "Gracey" and " Gracie". ]
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1986 - CLIFFORD - Lloyd Charles - d.o.b. 2 October 1915
[Buried at Marsden Cemetery, Nelson (with 2nd wife ?). Archives shows a Divorce file for an earlier marriage ?? ]
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Obituary : Charles Hugh CLIFFORD
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BOPT19470818.2.12
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Hi telephonist ... just some additional information to link Rachael to the family of Charles Hugh CLIFFORD.
Following is a link to John Eric (known as Jack) CLIFFORD (s/o Charles Hugh and Annie Elizabeth) - killed in action at El Alamein, 1942.
http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C22219?p=2&n=CLIFFORD%20John&ordinal=25&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch
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In Memoriam notices for Jack CLIFFORD ... which mention his sister, Rachael.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19430722.2.2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19440722.2.2.1
[Incidentally, the BATTISON family who also inserted a notice, seem to be family of Mary Annie CLIFFORD (formerly SENIOR, nee MURPHY) the 2nd wife of Charles Hugh CLIFFORD (marr. 1930). Iris Mavis (Mavis) SENIOR (dau of Mary Annie) m. Anville BATTISON 1925.]
~ Lu
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The death certificate seems to give the wrong parents for Charles Hugh CLIFFORD.
It is John Eary CLIFFORD not George CLIFFORD and Elizabeth (Lily) nee Curran CLIFFORD not Lillian.
Elizabeth (Lily) nee Curran CLIFFORD is my greatgrand mothers sister.
I do not have much information on the CURRANS.
Regards
KT
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Hi KT
Have to say I didn't look too closely at the parent's names when posting the link to death certificate, though did notice that the father of Charles Hugh, had also been a Policeman (- my interest was in finding the parents of Rachael Madeline.) ;)
But yes you are correct with the name "John" for father, although he was actually "John Eric CLIFFORD" - some indexes have "Eric" mis-spelt as "Eary" / "Airey" and "Eyre".
(The same name was given to the son known as Jack, of Charles Hugh and Annie Elizabeth CLIFFORD). And "Lily" likewise, sometimes spelled as "Lilly" and also named as "Elizabeth" in the death notice of her husband.
Following is the Obituary for John Eric CLIFFORD.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS19081104.2.17
[There was a Probate file for this man (1908), but it appears to be in a batch which has missed being photographed ??]
~ Lu
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John Eary CLIFFORD is correct as it comes from maternal grandmother Lucy EARY, yes he used Eric plus the different spellings of EARY.
If the researcher was going backwards with the family they might have a hard time finding him.
This research was done by a granddaughter of Charles Hugh CLIFFORD and passed on to me.
KT