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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: bevj on Thursday 07 June 18 22:25 BST (UK)
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Hello Aussie experts :)
I just recently found a reference on FindaGrave for a cousin of my dad's, Elsie Covington Hall. She was born in 1900 in Worcestershire, daughter of John (*see below) and Agnes, and died in Lithgow, N.S.W in 1951 unmarried. Her death notice, found on Trove, states that she emigrated to Australia as a child, and was survived by her sisters Mrs. E.R. Ison of Delemgra (Maggie), and Mrs. G.A. Atkins (Alice) of Malvern Street (as well as a brother in Kent, U.K.).
Pall bearers included nephews with surnames Wootten, Stedman and Atkins, all nephews of Elsie.
Alice was born in 1890 and married George Atkins in Kings Norton, Worcestershire, in 1911. I found one son Arthur b. 1913. who later married in Lithgow.
Maggie was born in 1894 and married John Thomas Long in Nuneaton in 1913. Found one daughter Maggie junior b. 1916. He died in 1928. I can't find a married Long - Ison either in England or N.S.W.
There were two other sisters, Mary (1886) and Lucy (1892) who I haven't found in Australia, though they could feasibly be the wives of Mr. Wootten and Mr. Stedman, and both deceased by 1951.
The two sisters Maggie and Alice are both in England as late as 1913/16. Their mother died in 1924. So is it likely that whoever provided the information to the newspaper simply made a mistake about Elsie emigrating as a child? Or did she travel with someone else?
And as a side note, can anyone find evidence of Mr. E. R. Ison, please?
* As another side note, Elsie's 'father' died in 1898 so unless her mother had the longest pregnancy on record, John Hall was not her father. The family lived in Coventry for many years, where Covington is a fairly recurrent surname. I reckon this is a clue ;)
Sorry about the essay and thanks in advance for any help with finding the passages of these sisters.
Bev.
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UK marriage Mar 1915
BAYLISS William H
Maggie HALL
Kings N. 6d 121
Australian Marriage
Robert Edgar ISON
Margaret BAYLISS
Date 1941
Wingham, New South Wales
Year 1941
Registration 9470
Sue
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Edgar joined the WW2 forces.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=257125
Sue
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Looks like Elsie went to Australia with her mother
26 Jan 1922
depart London England for Sydney Australia on board the Ballarat
Mrs Agnes Caroline Hall Housewife age 68 211 Grange Road Kings heath Birmingham
Miss Elsie Hall age 21 occ Packer of same address
Intended country of residence Australia
Suz
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NSW death: 1986 #105119 Robert Edgar ISON; Father-William
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18218776
WEBB, Lucy.—June 24, 1951, at her residence, 43 Ashburner street, Manly, beloved sister and sister-in-law of George and Alice Atkins, of Lithgow, Margaret and Edgar Ison, of Inverell, Elsie and Lillie Hall, and Ernest Wootten, of Abbotsford, aged 58 years.
NSW death: 1951 #8583 Lucy WEBB; Father-John; Mother-Agnes Caroline; Manly
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/185386238
DELUNGRA DOINGS
Personal -Holiday Trips -
Military Corps
PERSONAL.
The engagement Is announced of Margaret Jessie, eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Stan O'Grady, Burnett Street. Delungra, to Denis Edward, only son of the late W. A. Bayliss. of Birmingham, England, and Mrs. Edgar Ison, Inverell.
Also here: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/215103728
NSW marriage: 25158/1939 Denis Edward Kitchener BAYLISS and Margaret O’GRADY; Inverell
http://naa.gov.au (can request a copy for a fee)
BAYLISS DENIS EDWARD KITCHENER : Service Number - NX41269 : Date of birth - 14 May 1918 : Place of birth - BIRMINGHAM ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - TAMWORTH NSW : Next of Kin - BAYLISS MARGARET
Taabinga Cemetery Qld
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183319047/denis-edward-bayliss
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/183319086/margaret-jessie-bayliss
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Lithgow Mercury 20Dec1946 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/219612267
ENGAGEMENT
ATKINS—ROULAND— The. Engagement is announced of Mollie Jean, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. H. L. Rouland, 11A Main Street West to Robert George, youngest son of Mr. and Mrs G. A. Atkins 13 Malvern Street, Lithgow.
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Lithgow Mercury 23Dec1941 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221881153
LITHGOW WEDDING.
ATKINS—LEMON.
A pretty wedding was celebrated at St. Paul's Church of England, Lithgow, on December 13, when Joyce, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. Lemon, of Litligow-strect, was married to Arthur, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. G. Atkins, of Malvern-street....
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Here is the death of Lucy.
WEBB Lucy
8583/1951
Parents John & Agnes Caroline
At MANLY
She had been previously married to Reuben STEDMAN
He died
STEDMAN Reuben Stuart
14770/1936
Parents Joseph & Caroline Emma
At KATOOMBA
There were three sons according to death notices.
Sue
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This is fantastic, thank you so much! :)
I am very ashamed of myself for not remembering that there are always two people in the same area with the same name! The marriage of Maggie Hall to John Long is obviously wrong.
I am now wondering if the death which I was given for the mother Agnes is correct. It seems very odd that she should travel out with Elsie and then return to England within the space of two years. Can I be cheeky and ask if anyone can see her on a ship or otherwise dying in N.S.W? (She was born Agnes Caroline Green in Walsall, Staffs., in 1857, daughter of Richard and Mary Ann.)
Thank you again
Bev
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Hi Bev,
There is this death in NSW in 1927 - wrong father
HALL Agnes C, father John, mother Mary, at Manly reg 3120/1927
I have been looking for a death notice without any luck so far ...
Ros
adding : NSW BDM - free to search and can use wildcards etc http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx
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By the way there is another Agnes Caroline HALL in NSW in 1920's. This one is presumably unmarried so not your lady.
A man called John Richard HALL dies in 1921 leaving a large estate and leaves a portion of it to his 2 sisters - Agnes Ada HALL and Agnes Caroline HALL (did he really have 2 sisters called Agnes?).
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article239741808 Obit for this man http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15960163 (he was son of Richard HALL).
From NSW BDM death 1921
HALL John R, , father Richard, mother Ann, at Sydney
So this Agnes Caroline HALL, if his sister, would have parents Richard and Ann.
Just adding this as it may fit into your family somewhere and helps us to exclude the death of this other Agnes Caroline HALL
Ros
(perhaps it should say sister-in-law Agnes Caroline HALL ??? and perhaps this explains why they came to Sydney ??? )
adding : No most unlikely as the husband of your Agnes was called John too and John Richard HALL's obit has him born in NSW.
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Thank you, Ros.
I don't know much about John Hall because I am on the Green side; my g-g-grandmother was Emily, Agnes Caroline's sister. I only have him on one census in 1891, born in Yorkshire, living in Bradford, aged 25 and an engineer. He moved down to Coventry some time just after the census and he died before 1901.
So there may be a connection and I certainly have some good leads to follow up.
Thank you to all who have taken the trouble to look up records. I do know now that Elsie went to NSW with her Mum and at least four, and probably five of Agnes's daughters made their home there.
Best wishes
Bev