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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: McTalbert on Saturday 09 June 18 20:05 BST (UK)
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I completely messed up my post. It should have read:
Samuel KENWORTHY (1893-1917)
I am trying to trace an S. KENWORTHY who appears on the Great War Memorial Plaque in Tanfield Lea Community Centre, Co. Durham.
I have managed to identify a Samuel KENWORTHY who died on 11th February 1917, aged 23 and was buried in Tanfield Churchyard on 15-Feb-1917. His grave does not have a headstone. The 1911 Census shows that at the time he was a coalminer, born in the Tyne Dock area of South Shields in 1893, the son of William Broadhead KENWORTHY and the late Esther KENWORTHY of 7, Shop Square, Tanfield Lea.
After advertising locally I have been loaned the attached photograph purporting to be of Samuel KENWORTHY who died on 11th February 1917.
It appears, however, that the man has 3 or 4 “Overseas Service” stripes on his right sleeve and as these were not introduced until December 1917 he could not have been wearing them before his death in February 1917.
Before I disappoint the owner of the photograph is anyone prepared to confirm my theory?
In addition, it is unlikely that anyone can identify the lapel badge but can anyone identify the insignia above the “Overseas Service” stripes?
McTalbert
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your theory is quite correct. They were introduced in 1914 & awarded for each 1 year period spent overseas. As he has 4 means this is 1918 at the earliest.
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Replies on other thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794923.msg6515481#msg6515481
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There is a Royal Navy Seamans record
Samuel Kenworthy born 18th Sep 1893 South Shields
SS111668
Usual lists of ships and description but also
"MD Reports death of this man at Genl Hospital, Newcastle on Tyne on 11 Feby 17 ( I m pretty sure it says 11)
Cathy
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Many thanks for your prompt replies. You are all brilliant and, jim1 and Jebber, I am delighted to have my theory confirmed by experts.
KGarrard, I had already discounted Samuel and Stanley KENWORTHY who are included in the CWGC records. The British Army WWW1 1 Medal Roll lists eight Sam or Samuel KENWORTHYS as receiving campaign medals and I was unable to discount most of them. If he had been discharged through wounds or illness he would have probably received a Silver War Badge. There is no record of this. If he had died whilst serving, he would probably have been included in the Register of Soldiers’ Effects. He wasn’t.
cath151, I think that you have put the icing on the cake. In the box of the photographs I was loaned were two photos of seamen, one wearing the hatband, HMTBD (Torpedo Boat Destroyer) and the other, HMS Research.
There was also a postcard sent to his fiancé by Sam which I have attached in case it is of any interest to anyone as I have never seen a similar one.
I am off to Newcastle library tomorrow to Seaman SS111688 Samuel KENWORTHY on findmypast.
McTalbert
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Cath - I'd say your reading of his date of death is indeed 11 Feb 17.
Careful with the photos which may be of mates, HMS Research is not on his list of vessels served with. Check out the list on this splendid site http://www.naval-history.net/
MaxD
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The postcard mentions the Queen Mary which the Samuel in the seamans records does appear to have sailed on but like Max says no HMS Research mentioned.
cathy
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Ijust noticed this second thread I think the collar badge in the photo is Australian army
https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/blog/australian-imperial-force-aif-badges-1914-1918
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" ..... can anyone identify the insignia above the “Overseas Service” stripes? "
Company Sergeant Major?
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I thought there was a familiarity about this parallel topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794922.new;topicseen#new
I am not sure it helps to post the same subject under two headings - the "possible Australian badge" suggestion (with which I am inclined to agree) and the possible ID of the rank badge are on the other thread.
MaxD
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McTalbert I have just sent you a pm, we were having problems trying to notify you of replies to your topics.
Regards
Sarah
Problem now resolved :)
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Sarah,
I have checked my Account Settings and my email address is recorded correctly.
McTalbert
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Many thanks to you all for responding to my appeal for help.
I am now completely confident that the photograph is not Samuel KENWORTHY. I have obtained a copy of his Royal Navy record and can now report back to the photograph’s owner with the following:
KENWORTHY Samuel. Stoker. SS111668.
Royal Navy. H.M.S. Queen Mary.
Enlisted in the Royal Navy on 22-Jan-1912, aged 18 years. Served on HMS Renown, HMS Minerva II, HMS Vernon, HMS Ariadne and, from 04-Sep 1913 until 19-Jan-1916, HMS Queen Mary. After transferring to shore-base, Victory 1, on 20-Jan-1916 he was invalided from the Royal Navy on 30-Sep-1916.
Note: HMS Queen Mary exploded and sank at the Battle of Jutland on 31-May-1916 with the loss of 1266 men. Only 20 members of the crew were rescued.
Died in the General Hospital, Newcastle Upon Tyne, on 11-Feb-1917, aged 23 years.
Born in the Tyne Dock area of South Shields on 18-Sep-1893. Prior to enlisting in the Royal Navy he was employed in a coalmine. Son of William Broadhead and the late Esther KENWORTHY of 7, Shop Square, Tanfield Lea.
Buried in Tanfield St. Margaret Churchyard on 15-Feb-1917.
Commemorated:
Memorial Plaque, Tanfield Lea Community Centre.
As for the photograph, I will research the possible Australian uniform angle further by asking the owner whether any of her family had emigrated to Australia or New Zealand (presumably the ANZAC uniforms were the same for both countries).
As for photographs in the Stanley News, Durham County Record Office has microfilm copies of this newspaper and those will be well worth looking at in the future. The Illustrated Chronicle has literally thousands of photographs of Great War servicemen from the North East, many of which have been scanned and can be viewed online at www.flickr.com/photos/illustratedchronicleww1/albums. I have been through the bound copies of the Illustrated Chronicle held by the library and photographed the photographs of the local men not shown on Flickr.
Once again, many thanks.
McTalbert
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Delighted.
You might post on the other thread that all is now sorted to avoid people continuing to devil away.
MaxD