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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Ross2014 on Monday 11 June 18 04:56 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
I'm looking for information on passengers on a ship named 'McLeod' or 'MacLeod' that arrived in Australia (Melbourne) in 1856 or 1857.
I haven't been able to find the arrival of one of my ancestors, but I do have this lead on a possible travel companion. Benedetto CRAMERI was listed with my ancestor, Pietro VASSELLA, in a publication in Switzerland (Poschiavo) in October 1856. In essence, it was a notice that said they were emigrating and all were invited to settle debts. Poschiavo is a very small town, so it's possible they travelled together.
Pietro was naturalised in Sydney and the document states he arrived there 'via Melbourne in 1856' - no details of the ship unfortunately. I believe I found Benedetto's naturalisation in Victoria and it states he was from Poschiavo and arrived in Australia in 1856 on the 'MacLeod' from Liverpool. My assumption is that they may have travelled to Australia together, so I'm trying to find information on the 'MacLeod'.
I can't find any records for this ship on PROV or Ancestry, but have found a reference in the Age newspaper on Trove. It shows the 'McLeod', a ship from Liverpool (14 Dec), arriving in Melbourne (Hobson's Bay) on 10 Mar 1857, with 137 passengers in steerage. Given the October 1856 notice, I believe they must have left in 1856 and arrived in 1857, so this could be their arrival.
Does anybody know of any resources (online or otherwise) that might give me some information about the 'MacLeod' and it's passengers? Or somewhere else I should ask this? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ross
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Ancestry's Victorian shipping passenger lists are taken from PROV anyway. Not all manifests survived.
Cando
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Thanks Cando,
I was afraid that it might be something like missing records. I guess I was hoping there might be some other source that could help, but I guess it's a long shot.
Ross
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Hi Ross
I have just found an interesting publication about emigrants from Poschiavo to Australia.
They took the information from the family register of the San Vittore parish in Poschiavo.
There are two Benedetto Crameri, one (*1837) emigrated with his brother Giacomo Antonio (*1834) and their deceased father was Bernardo. The other was named Benedetto Giuseppe (*1854) and his father was the deceased Pietro Crameri.
https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=qgi-001:1983:52::281#281
There are some letters from men of Poschiavo who emigrated to Australia in the newspaper "Grigione Italiano" of the 18.12.1857:
http://newspaper.archives.rero.ch/Olive/APA/SNL_FR/default.aspx#panel=document
The State Archives of Graubünden have some interesting genealogical records and documents.
English version: https://www.gr.ch/EN/institutions/administration/ekud/afk/sag/services/collections/familienforschung/Seiten/default.aspx
German version:
https://www.gr.ch/DE/institutionen/verwaltung/ekud/afk/sag/dienstleistungen/bestaende/familienforschung/Seiten/default.aspx
Regards
Svenja
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hi don't know if this is of any help from the Hampshire telegraph & sussex chronicle Portsmouth march 7th 1857, reads as follows. McLeod from London to Melbourne march 2nd passed by Asiatic wind e.s.e
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From Ancestry.com.au
Benedetto Crameri b 1834 Naturalisation 1868 (which you have)
ditto b 1835 passenger Victoria to Sydney July 1864 per "Rangtira 1"
ditto b 1834 arr 7 Oct 1863 Hobsons Bay (ie Port Phillip) departure Port Chalmers NZ. Ship Alhambra, nationality Italian.
Information on Naturalisation could be incorrect?
Stephanie from Australia
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There are two Benedetto Crameri, one (*1837) emigrated with his brother Giacomo Antonio (*1834) and their deceased father was Bernardo. The other was named Benedetto Giuseppe (*1854) and his father was the deceased Pietro Crameri.
https://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?pid=qgi-001:1983:52::281#281
Hi Svenja,
That's a great find - I'll add it to my research. However, there may be another Benedetto Crameri, as the one I'm interested in has his father listed as Benedetto as well (from the Swiss publication I have). There seem to have been quite a few Crameris that emigrated from Poschiavo.
Anyway, thanks for that and your other info. I'll have to dig deeper to see if anything else turns up with them.
Regards,
Ross
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hi don't know if this is of any help from the Hampshire telegraph & sussex chronicle Portsmouth march 7th 1857, reads as follows. McLeod from London to Melbourne march 2nd passed by Asiatic wind e.s.e
Thanks harrywrag - I appreciate every little bit of information. It all helps build a picture.
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From Ancestry.com.au
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Information on Naturalisation could be incorrect?
Not sure if the naturalisation record has incorrect info, or if there are just more people named Benedetto Crameri running around at that time than I realised. I believe there are at least 3 that emigrated from Poschiavo, so it appears to be a common name. The area is also an Italian speaking district, so might explain that one being described as Italian.
Anyway, thanks for your post. I'll keep a lookout for other information to try to piece it all together.
Regards,
Ross
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The Argus 24 June 1857 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7134099
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PORT OF MELBOURNE
ARRIVALS...
JUNE...
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2...
20. Asiatic, B. s., 954, C. McLeod, London. — Law, Dodd, and Co.
.....VESSELS IN HOBSON'S BAY.
EXCLUSIVE OF COLONIAL TRADERS.
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Asiatic, B. s., 954, C. McLeod, from London. Law, Dodd, and Co.
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" My assumption is that they may have travelled to Australia together, so I'm trying to find information on the 'MacLeod'. "
This is a "hypothesis" or "conjecture", not an assumption.
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The Argus 24 June 1857 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7134099
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PORT OF MELBOURNE
ARRIVALS...
JUNE...
1...
2...
20. Asiatic, B. s., 954, C. McLeod, London. — Law, Dodd, and Co.
.....VESSELS IN HOBSON'S BAY.
EXCLUSIVE OF COLONIAL TRADERS.
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Asiatic, B. s., 954, C. McLeod, from London. Law, Dodd, and Co.
What you have quoted there, would mean that the ship's captain and/or owner was C. McLeod. It is not the name of the ship.
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Great Find, Cup :)
Asiatic... worth following up.
ADD
https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration
JM
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According to image of passengers on Ancestry.com.au, only 2 on ship "Asiatic" June 1857, neither of them yours.
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agh just the two cabin passengers
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/201373304 27 June 1857 Bells Life.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7133956 22 June 1857 Argus
Messrs W Connall & A Grevis.
JM
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Ship MacLeod, M'Leod.
The Age (Melbourne, Sat 14th March 1857,p4.)
Arrivals and Departures of extra colonial vessels since our summary by the SIMLA.
March 10th MacLeod, ship, from Liverpool
The Argus (Melbourne, Wed 11th March 1857,p4.)
Shipping Intelligence.
Arrived (Port Phillip Heads).
March 10. - McLeod, ship, 1360 tons, from Liverpool 14th December. 149 passengers; general cargo. Michaelis, Boyd and Co., agents.
The Argus (Melbourne, Thu 12th March 1857,p4.)
March 10. - McLeod, ship, 1,365 tons, John Galbraith, from Liverpool 14th December. Passengers cabin : Mrs. Collis; and one hundred and thirty-seven in the intermediate and steerage. R. Collis, Esq., surgeon. Michaelis, Boyd, and Co.,agents.
The Age (Melbourne Thu 12th March 1857, p4.)
Miscellaneous.
The M'Leod has made a very good passage of 81 days from the time of making Tuscar. She brings 138 passengers, all of whom appear well pleased with the kind treatment at time received from Capt. Galbraith.
The Age (Melbourne Thu 12th March 1857, p4.)
Imports.
March 10. - M'Leod, from Liverpool : (listing all items of cargo - you can read yourself)
The Argus (Melbourne, 9th April 1857, p1.)
For Callao.- To sail, about the 18th April, the first-class clipper ship M'LEOD, Captain JNO. GALBRAITH, has accommodation for a limited number of first-class and steerage passgeners. For terms apply to MICHAELIS, BOYD, and CO.,1 Elizabeth-street. 081 ap 23 alt d and wk.
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Thanks to all for your input. I think I just have to accept that there is no passenger list.
Even so, the newspaper articles are useful to fill in the story and the references provided are much appreciated.