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Title: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Monday 11 June 18 21:54 BST (UK)
Could anyone help me with a couple of words in a will (from Cornwall 1688)

I have profites and commodities in the said deed ? ? ? ? ? and ? ? ? ? ? ?

It looks like repressed and resited - but does that make sense?  Any conveyancing solicitors out there?

Many thanks
Philip
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 11 June 18 23:32 BST (UK)
Surely the first letter is the same as the 'd' in 'deeds' Philip, not an 'r'?
That makes it 'depressed and resited'. Still doesn't make any sense though - not being a solicitor!  :(
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 11 June 18 23:36 BST (UK)
'Resited' could be 'recited' - as in the deed that has been stated before?
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: shume on Tuesday 12 June 18 04:52 BST (UK)
? " goods described"
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: horselydown86 on Tuesday 12 June 18 06:20 BST (UK)
...deed expressed and resited...

As goldie has said, resited = recited

It's common usage at this time, and just means that the information was stated in that place.

ADDED:

Although the first letter looks very like a d, it's not quite right.  Compare the d and e in commodities to the first letter and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: goldie61 on Tuesday 12 June 18 11:18 BST (UK)
Well spotted HD.  :)
I see it now.
'e's like 'd's, 'x's like 'e's  - but I should have known that letter that looks like a modern day 'e' must have been something else. Blame it on the 'flu!
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: horselydown86 on Tuesday 12 June 18 16:09 BST (UK)
Blame it on the 'flu!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, goldie.
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 12 June 18 16:43 BST (UK)
...deed expressed and resited...

As goldie has said, resited = recited

It's common usage at this time, and just means that the information was stated in that place.

ADDED:

Although the first letter looks very like a d, it's not quite right.  Compare the d and e in commodities to the first letter and you'll see what I mean.


Well, I never would have considered expressed - but looking at it again (and again, and again, and again!) I can now see it.

Many thanks for this solution - and many thanks to all who responded.

Philip
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 12 June 18 16:45 BST (UK)
And another segment of the same will - any suggestions please?

suite of cloathes and my best coat.  Item I doe give and bequeath unto my sonne Isaacke the sum of five pounds and also
one bedde (steede?) a fether bedd a boulster and a paire of sheets and (…………..) and also the best brasse pann Together with all
my right and interest that I have in a certaine tenement which I took of Sir Peter (Cawston?)
of Cue (………….)  lately deceased which lands he sould unto Nicolas Cousins (.....) which lands at the

Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: horselydown86 on Tuesday 12 June 18 17:01 BST (UK)
Agree with: bedd steed  [no e on the end, in my opinion]

...of sheets and acoverled and allso...  [= a coverlet]

...Nicolas Cousens Esqr which...

I need to take a longer look at the others.
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: horselydown86 on Tuesday 12 June 18 17:05 BST (UK)
Sir Peter Courteny

ADDED:

Regarding the place, I think it begins with T-r-o or T-r-e and ends with t-h.

It may have a k in the middle.

ADDED 2:

May be this man or a relative of his:

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/courtney-%28courtenay%29-sir-peter-1616-70
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 12 June 18 17:29 BST (UK)
horselydown86 - you star!

I will figure out the place name eventually, but I will add a couple more snippets later (off to walk the dog now!)

Many, many thanks
Philip
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: Bookbox on Tuesday 12 June 18 18:09 BST (UK)
On just a quick look, I think the place could be written Tretherth (or similar) and could be a rendering of Trethurfe.

See here ...
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/courtney-%28courtenay%29-sir-peter-1616-70
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 13 June 18 00:28 BST (UK)
On just a quick look, I think the place could be written Tretherth (or similar) and could be a rendering of Trethurfe.

See here ...
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1660-1690/member/courtney-%28courtenay%29-sir-peter-1616-70

That is a brilliant spot!  Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 13 June 18 00:37 BST (UK)
This part of the will has been driving me potty!  Some text has been crossed out - I don't need to know what it said - but the line below has words added above which I can't work out.

The snippet omits the first part of each line, but I include them below so the text will make sense:
                                                                                        (belonging to the ..... tenement?)
and allso the first meddow upon the right hand of the long close (all?) (which?) the said Rainald may
hold and enjoy till the rent with the (……….) if any do be fully satisfied and paid and no otherwise   Allso I do
give and bequeath.....
Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: Bookbox on Wednesday 13 June 18 00:50 BST (UK)
... ^(belonging to the said tenement)^ all which the said Reinald may

... with the arreareges if any be, be fully satisfied

Title: Re: lease jargon in a will 1688
Post by: goldie61 on Wednesday 13 June 18 10:43 BST (UK)
Blame it on the 'flu!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery, goldie.

Thanks HD. I don't like this cold and damp winter weather!