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Title: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Wednesday 13 June 18 23:07 BST (UK)
I couldnt find my family in the 1911 and then discovered that they had gone to Canada in 1908.. Following the Father.


So what I have is this :

John Clarke born 1869 Nuneaton - warwickshire (from census)
his wife
Eliza Ellen Haywood  1876 Barwell Leics.

and their children

John H W known as Willie bn 1896 Hinckley
George 1899      Kirby Muxloe
Redvers Baden Clarke 1900  (this isnt as unusual a name as I had hoped??)   Kirby Muxloe

then it seems there is a daughter born around 1905  - I haven't found positive on this as yet.

Beatrice   

she is on the Passenger list I found for them sailing out to Quebec  Snowflake Mountain  Manitoba...   

the wife and children are going out in 1908 following the husband.

John snr was a Painter and paper hanger in the UK.

So what else could I possibly find and where can I look.

Haven't found the Husbands passenger list.. yet.

thanks

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 14 June 18 00:58 BST (UK)
Daughter was Beatrice Doris Clarke - birth registered Sept. qtr. 1904 Blaby - mmn Haywood (per GRO own index).

Annette
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 14 June 18 01:34 BST (UK)
1911 Census - 1424 Ross, Winnipeg, Manitoba.

John Clark  42
Eliza Clark 34
William Clark 15
George Clark 12
Redvers Clark 10
Beatrice Clark 6
Maria/Marian (hard to read) Clark  shown as born 1911.

Handwriting on original census page is atrocious but think it states John is a farmer.

1921 Census - Woodlands, Selkirk, Manitoba

John Clark  52   Farmer
Eliza E Clark  44
George Clark 22
Redvers B. Clark 20
Beatrice D. Clark 16

(the infant daughter in 1911 presumably died).

Listed as 'Clark' on both Canadian census'.

Annette
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 02:21 BST (UK)
There is a Vital Statistics page for Manitoba for Births/Deaths/Marriages that are older than 100/70/80 years.

https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

There is a marriage for a Beatrice Doris Clarke to a William Thomas Wakeford in Winnipeg on 21/04/1932. Could be one of yours.

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 03:07 BST (UK)
Also Findagrave shows a gravestone in the Warren Municipal Cemetery located in Woodlands, Manitoba for John Clarke (1865-1925) and Eliza E. Clarke (1875-1950). Birth date is a few years out for John but I thought it might be a possibility.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112799292

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 14 June 18 03:11 BST (UK)
Hi,

There is an obituary for Doris Wakeford in the Lethbridge Herald, May 7 1979, page 31.  It says that she died in Lethbridge on May 4 1979 at the age of 74.  Wife of William Wakeford of 836 13th Street South.   She was born July 25 1904 at Kirby Muxlowe, Leicestershire.  She came to Manitoba with her parents in 1908.  She married in 1932 and came to Calgary, then to Lethbridge in 1937.  She is survived by her husband.  She was predeceased by her parents and three brothers.

RK

Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 14 June 18 03:32 BST (UK)
Found an obit in the Winnipeg Free Press for Redvers Baden Clarke...Wednesday, July 9, 1952 edition..

It says he was 51.  Address was 1321 Alexander Avenue.  He had lived in Canada for 47 years.  He was a Canadian Pacific Railway blacksmith.  He died in Winnipeg on "Wednesday" (the 9th was a Wednesday, so I assume he died on the 9th, but I suppose it could have been the previous Wed..the 2nd ???).  It says he was born in England and came to Canada in 1905. Survived by brother George and sister Mrs W T Wakeford.  Burial at Warren.  (fits with what Sami found for John and Eliza)


RK
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 14 June 18 03:41 BST (UK)
Found George's obit in the Lethbridge Herald, Aug 4, 1976 edition.

He died on Aug 3 1976.  He was 77 years of age.  Address had been 535 8th Street South.  He was born and raised in England and came to Winnipeg in 1908.  He moved to Lethbridge in 1965.  He served in WW1 with the 43rd Cameron Highlanders.  He is survived by sister Mrs Wm T Wakeford (Doris) of Lethbridge.  Predeceased by 2 brothers in Winnipeg. 

RK
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 06:04 BST (UK)
There was also a 1916 Census for the Prairie Provinces. The family is listed in District No. 8 Portage La Prairie, Rosser Municipality:

John Clark 52 - Farmer
Eliza Clark 42
George Clark 17 - Column 2 indicates military service in Canada, Occupation - Laborer? on Farm
Doris Clark 12
Redvers Clark 15

Couldn't find William on this census and the infant daughter born in 1911 is not with the family either.

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 12:23 BST (UK)
Why do I love Roots chat :)

This is the reason --  different times and answers appear whilst one side is sleeping.. Brilliant absolutely thank you ALL each and everyone..


now to digest and thoroughly enjoy.



xin   ;D :) ;)
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 12:27 BST (UK)
Would you believe after years of me moving home  ---  21 --- various addresses in all....


I NOW LIVE in the next village to KIRBY MUXLOE --- Coincidences or what..   I have found that by coming back here... I have --------

dead rellies totally surrounding me... and this as a child I never knew...

all I knew was mymaternal family was from Barwell and Leicester...

oh dear..

I even have paternal links around here..

and two or three various branches totally unnconnected Clarkes..

sorry
rabbitttiing
... :) ha ha

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 14 June 18 14:23 BST (UK)
Glad to help!! 

It is great to hear that you live near your dead rellies  :) :).

Here is the image of the 1916 census that Sami found
 http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21928/jpg/31228_4363957-01081.jpg

RK 
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 14 June 18 14:28 BST (UK)
...and here are the images of the 1911 and 1921 census records that Annette found for you

1911 is especially hard to read!! 
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e001955159.jpg

1921
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002886045

RK :)
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 14:40 BST (UK)
Thats really great  :)

thank you


Its funny how so many of this particular Barwell area branch went out to Canada... and made good.

I have more that went out there -- and still have descendants that I am in contact with in Alberta and Saskatoon and Ontario ..   
I think they all set off on some kind of Government Scheme..  Well done to all of them..
although lots of them were Clarkes, they are  totally unrelated to this John Clarke.. However they do have a link ... distant but a link to his Wife Eliza Ellen Haywood.. 

love this game.. its like snakes and ladders... in a way.  brilliant.


xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 14:43 BST (UK)
And yes it does say John (head) is a painter.. so yep definitely correct.


xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 14:59 BST (UK)
Hello xinia

A wee correction, if I may?

In the 1916 census entry for George there is an "O" in the military service column which indicates he was overseas.

It appears he may have lied about his age to join up. I think this might be his military file. It is generally VERY slow to download. There are 22 pages in all.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S031

PB

Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 15:16 BST (UK)
Hello xinia

A wee correction, if I may?

In the 1916 census entry for George there is an "O" in the military service column which indicates he was overseas.

It appears he may have lied about his age to join up. I think this is his military file. It is generally VERY slow to download. There are 22 pages in all.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S031

PB



Hi polarbear. I saw that "O" in the 1916 census but thought it was a "C". Wondered why he would be listed on the census as 'on Farm' if he was overseas. Good find on the military file, I couldn't get anywhere with that.

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 15:35 BST (UK)
Thanks sami.

I wondered about his NOK being put as Mrs Helen later in the file but I see his mother is Eliza Ellen (original post), and may have preferred her 2nd name, so should be the correct file. Birth place is certainly correct. Doesn't look like he served for very long.

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 15:57 BST (UK)
OOOOH   thank you for that...


naughty man  --- desertion - discharge - medals forfieted... oh dear.. thats just the 1st page....


xin

Well that began and ended the same... very naughty.... possibly trying to prove something!! why oh why...

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 16:07 BST (UK)
Yes, not a great record....but I'm doing some more digging and may have turned up another record. Just getting into it so will get back about it.

The 1916 census record for George is also very confusing, as was mentioned earlier.

PB

Added: if he was discharged, I believe he would have been transported back home.
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 16:10 BST (UK)
Fascinating military file, looks like he was discharged after 2 months. Interesting how Manitoba was incorrectly listed as Minnesota, USA at one point. So was he ever overseas?

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 16:16 BST (UK)
Yes, he sailed for England 03 Oct 1914.

But I THINK the plot thickens.....I'm still working on that part and will get back about it.

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 16:29 BST (UK)
PLease   stop before you get to the Gallows    :) :) :) ha ha ha x

sorry xin

I did find a death in uk. for a Willie Clarke that seemed right but discarded due to him 'living in Canada'   .. so uhm  will re- look at that ---
whoops wrong brother.
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 16:40 BST (UK)
OK, here we go. Different and better result....

It is possible that the George in the other file is the same man as this one and this file may indicate a re-enlistment. One address for NOK given is in Winnipeg (family here in 1911 census if I remember correctly, although address was different) which is later changed to Rosser (family here in 1916 census). NOK within the document Mrs Ellen Clarke.

This attestation paper in this file appears to be a copy so no real signature but I think the attestation paper on ancestry is an original so if you have access to that you could compare signatures between the 2.

Here it is....

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S046

PB

Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 17:00 BST (UK)
OK, here we go. Different and better result....

PB

Amazing file - tons of reading to do!

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:05 BST (UK)
Wow   speak in a week

xin

Well a quick run through...in 15 mins  more to digest.

He seems a troubled lad.. boils and worries .. oh dear.

funny thing is towards the end.. one of the Signatures was Haywood??   (his mothers maiden name !!!!)  strange.

ok..

well  he signed up to young I think.. hadnt a clue what he was doing and there you go.. it all 'boiled' up around him... sorry, it seems he was plaqued with boils.

thanks again all brilliant help.

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 17:08 BST (UK)
Adding to the second military file comments.....

Here is a link to the original attestation paper for the second file I posted with signatures that can be compared to the ones in the first military file. The first file may or may not be a red herring....I'll leave it for you to decide.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=103617

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 18:50 BST (UK)
OOO found Doris's husbands. Obit. very helpful --- proves I had the right connection from Dunston.

good.. nearly there with these.


xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 19:47 BST (UK)
This may be "Willie" and family in the 1921 census. 4th family down.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002890710

PB

Added: if Willie is John Henry William, there is a death in the index at this link. Use Clarke with an 'e' and put in all three of the forenames. You can leave the rest blank.

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 20:13 BST (UK)
Yes
 
I agree that could be him :)   if so the only one that re-produced   ;D


That 1929 death would fit with his sibs saying he had already died in the obits...:)

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 June 18 20:20 BST (UK)
This has been a great search and such great help on here much appreciated.

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 14 June 18 20:29 BST (UK)
You are very welcome  :).

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Thursday 14 June 18 22:36 BST (UK)
Always fun to be of some help. :)

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 15 June 18 01:06 BST (UK)
This may be "Willie" and family in the 1921 census. 4th family down.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002890710

PB

Added: if Willie is John Henry William, there is a death in the index at this link. Use Clarke with an 'e' and put in all three of the forenames. You can leave the rest blank.

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Hi... I found an obituary for Freda Clarke in the Winnipeg Free Press, Oct 2 1980.  She died on Sept 29 1980.   She was 87.  Predeceased by her husband William and her sister Margaret.  She was survived by her son Wilfred in British Columbia, and 3 daughters, Mrs Gladys McCreedy of British Columbia, M. Pinkos of Winnipeg, and Irene Hryze of California.  14 grandchildren and 19 great grandchildren.

Marriage for Gladys May Clarke, daughter of Mrs W J Clarke and the late Mr Clarke, to Able Seaman James B McCreedy, R.C.N.V.R, Aug 15, 1942.  Miss M. Clarke attended her sister.....   
Winnipeg Tribune Aug 28 1942. 

RK
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 15 June 18 01:12 BST (UK)
Irene died in 2012
http://miller-jones.com/book-of-memories/1156584/hryze-irene/obituary.php

Winnipeg Free Press, February 3 2001... has a memorial notice placed by Irene Hryze and J. and M. Pinkos ... commemorates Gladys McCreedy who passed away on Feb 24 1996 and Wilfred Clarke who passed away Feb 1 2000.

RK

Amended... I removed the full name of M. Pinkos... she may still be living :)
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: sami on Friday 15 June 18 01:35 BST (UK)
......and this would appear to be Gladys McCreedy's death cert.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m7c/

sami
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 15 June 18 01:43 BST (UK)
Findagrave has her in Maple Ridge Cemetery, Vancouver

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187846768/gladys-may-mccreedy

RK
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 15 June 18 11:12 BST (UK)
Again - I wake up to wonderful discoveries.. 

I spent ages chasing a Freda Schiller's divorce yesterday? 

I saw it said Icelandic on one of the census returns.

And I did manage to get a couple of the original news printed articles.. re Obits.

This is now a lovely 'chapter' family tree.

Thank you   


xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 15 June 18 11:14 BST (UK)
So .. the Obit for Gladys says her Mom was Olafson not Schiller... good job I didnt follow that through.

xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Friday 15 June 18 14:29 BST (UK)
Hi again

You can find a marriage for Freda and Willie in the Manitoba index. Willie is down as William John.

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Looks like 3 Clarkes listed here.

http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/MB/MBWOO0223/C

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 15 June 18 15:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

I found all of the obits on findmypast...in their newspaper collection.  I have the US version.  If your version has access to American and Canadian papers, you can find all of the originals :) :)

RK
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: polarbear on Friday 15 June 18 15:42 BST (UK)
Using the link below for the telephone directory.....

Using the info for the informant of Gladys McCreery's burial (name and address) you can find an apparent entry for the person with current contact info. Just put the last name in the person box and town name plus BC in the location box. Appears to still be living so don't want to post too many details here. If you have a problem let me know. There is also another possible contact in the location mentioned near the top of the death record.

http://www.canada411.ca

PB
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 15 June 18 16:18 BST (UK)
wow -- lovely thank you


xin
Title: Re: John Clarke and co went to Canada
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 15 June 18 16:20 BST (UK)
ok re FindMyPast obits.   I do pay for world wide --- so should be able to access them..

xin :)