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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Finley 1 on Wednesday 13 June 18 23:07 BST (UK)
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I couldnt find my family in the 1911 and then discovered that they had gone to Canada in 1908.. Following the Father.
So what I have is this :
John Clarke born 1869 Nuneaton - warwickshire (from census)
his wife
Eliza Ellen Haywood 1876 Barwell Leics.
and their children
John H W known as Willie bn 1896 Hinckley
George 1899 Kirby Muxloe
Redvers Baden Clarke 1900 (this isnt as unusual a name as I had hoped??) Kirby Muxloe
then it seems there is a daughter born around 1905 - I haven't found positive on this as yet.
Beatrice
she is on the Passenger list I found for them sailing out to Quebec Snowflake Mountain Manitoba...
the wife and children are going out in 1908 following the husband.
John snr was a Painter and paper hanger in the UK.
So what else could I possibly find and where can I look.
Haven't found the Husbands passenger list.. yet.
thanks
xin
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Daughter was Beatrice Doris Clarke - birth registered Sept. qtr. 1904 Blaby - mmn Haywood (per GRO own index).
Annette
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1911 Census - 1424 Ross, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
John Clark 42
Eliza Clark 34
William Clark 15
George Clark 12
Redvers Clark 10
Beatrice Clark 6
Maria/Marian (hard to read) Clark shown as born 1911.
Handwriting on original census page is atrocious but think it states John is a farmer.
1921 Census - Woodlands, Selkirk, Manitoba
John Clark 52 Farmer
Eliza E Clark 44
George Clark 22
Redvers B. Clark 20
Beatrice D. Clark 16
(the infant daughter in 1911 presumably died).
Listed as 'Clark' on both Canadian census'.
Annette
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There is a Vital Statistics page for Manitoba for Births/Deaths/Marriages that are older than 100/70/80 years.
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
There is a marriage for a Beatrice Doris Clarke to a William Thomas Wakeford in Winnipeg on 21/04/1932. Could be one of yours.
sami
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Also Findagrave shows a gravestone in the Warren Municipal Cemetery located in Woodlands, Manitoba for John Clarke (1865-1925) and Eliza E. Clarke (1875-1950). Birth date is a few years out for John but I thought it might be a possibility.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/112799292
sami
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Hi,
There is an obituary for Doris Wakeford in the Lethbridge Herald, May 7 1979, page 31. It says that she died in Lethbridge on May 4 1979 at the age of 74. Wife of William Wakeford of 836 13th Street South. She was born July 25 1904 at Kirby Muxlowe, Leicestershire. She came to Manitoba with her parents in 1908. She married in 1932 and came to Calgary, then to Lethbridge in 1937. She is survived by her husband. She was predeceased by her parents and three brothers.
RK
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Found an obit in the Winnipeg Free Press for Redvers Baden Clarke...Wednesday, July 9, 1952 edition..
It says he was 51. Address was 1321 Alexander Avenue. He had lived in Canada for 47 years. He was a Canadian Pacific Railway blacksmith. He died in Winnipeg on "Wednesday" (the 9th was a Wednesday, so I assume he died on the 9th, but I suppose it could have been the previous Wed..the 2nd ???). It says he was born in England and came to Canada in 1905. Survived by brother George and sister Mrs W T Wakeford. Burial at Warren. (fits with what Sami found for John and Eliza)
RK
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Found George's obit in the Lethbridge Herald, Aug 4, 1976 edition.
He died on Aug 3 1976. He was 77 years of age. Address had been 535 8th Street South. He was born and raised in England and came to Winnipeg in 1908. He moved to Lethbridge in 1965. He served in WW1 with the 43rd Cameron Highlanders. He is survived by sister Mrs Wm T Wakeford (Doris) of Lethbridge. Predeceased by 2 brothers in Winnipeg.
RK
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There was also a 1916 Census for the Prairie Provinces. The family is listed in District No. 8 Portage La Prairie, Rosser Municipality:
John Clark 52 - Farmer
Eliza Clark 42
George Clark 17 - Column 2 indicates military service in Canada, Occupation - Laborer? on Farm
Doris Clark 12
Redvers Clark 15
Couldn't find William on this census and the infant daughter born in 1911 is not with the family either.
sami
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Why do I love Roots chat :)
This is the reason -- different times and answers appear whilst one side is sleeping.. Brilliant absolutely thank you ALL each and everyone..
now to digest and thoroughly enjoy.
xin ;D :) ;)
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Would you believe after years of me moving home --- 21 --- various addresses in all....
I NOW LIVE in the next village to KIRBY MUXLOE --- Coincidences or what.. I have found that by coming back here... I have --------
dead rellies totally surrounding me... and this as a child I never knew...
all I knew was mymaternal family was from Barwell and Leicester...
oh dear..
I even have paternal links around here..
and two or three various branches totally unnconnected Clarkes..
sorry rabbitttiing
... :) ha ha
xin
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Glad to help!!
It is great to hear that you live near your dead rellies :) :).
Here is the image of the 1916 census that Sami found
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/006003/t-21928/jpg/31228_4363957-01081.jpg
RK
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...and here are the images of the 1911 and 1921 census records that Annette found for you
1911 is especially hard to read!!
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e001955159.jpg
1921
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002886045
RK :)
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Thats really great :)
thank you
Its funny how so many of this particular Barwell area branch went out to Canada... and made good.
I have more that went out there -- and still have descendants that I am in contact with in Alberta and Saskatoon and Ontario ..
I think they all set off on some kind of Government Scheme.. Well done to all of them..
although lots of them were Clarkes, they are totally unrelated to this John Clarke.. However they do have a link ... distant but a link to his Wife Eliza Ellen Haywood..
love this game.. its like snakes and ladders... in a way. brilliant.
xin
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And yes it does say John (head) is a painter.. so yep definitely correct.
xin
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Hello xinia
A wee correction, if I may?
In the 1916 census entry for George there is an "O" in the military service column which indicates he was overseas.
It appears he may have lied about his age to join up. I think this might be his military file. It is generally VERY slow to download. There are 22 pages in all.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S031
PB
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Hello xinia
A wee correction, if I may?
In the 1916 census entry for George there is an "O" in the military service column which indicates he was overseas.
It appears he may have lied about his age to join up. I think this is his military file. It is generally VERY slow to download. There are 22 pages in all.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S031
PB
Hi polarbear. I saw that "O" in the 1916 census but thought it was a "C". Wondered why he would be listed on the census as 'on Farm' if he was overseas. Good find on the military file, I couldn't get anywhere with that.
sami
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Thanks sami.
I wondered about his NOK being put as Mrs Helen later in the file but I see his mother is Eliza Ellen (original post), and may have preferred her 2nd name, so should be the correct file. Birth place is certainly correct. Doesn't look like he served for very long.
PB
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OOOOH thank you for that...
naughty man --- desertion - discharge - medals forfieted... oh dear.. thats just the 1st page....
xin
Well that began and ended the same... very naughty.... possibly trying to prove something!! why oh why...
xin
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Yes, not a great record....but I'm doing some more digging and may have turned up another record. Just getting into it so will get back about it.
The 1916 census record for George is also very confusing, as was mentioned earlier.
PB
Added: if he was discharged, I believe he would have been transported back home.
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Fascinating military file, looks like he was discharged after 2 months. Interesting how Manitoba was incorrectly listed as Minnesota, USA at one point. So was he ever overseas?
sami
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Yes, he sailed for England 03 Oct 1914.
But I THINK the plot thickens.....I'm still working on that part and will get back about it.
PB
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PLease stop before you get to the Gallows :) :) :) ha ha ha x
sorry xin
I did find a death in uk. for a Willie Clarke that seemed right but discarded due to him 'living in Canada' .. so uhm will re- look at that ---
whoops wrong brother.
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OK, here we go. Different and better result....
It is possible that the George in the other file is the same man as this one and this file may indicate a re-enlistment. One address for NOK given is in Winnipeg (family here in 1911 census if I remember correctly, although address was different) which is later changed to Rosser (family here in 1916 census). NOK within the document Mrs Ellen Clarke.
This attestation paper in this file appears to be a copy so no real signature but I think the attestation paper on ancestry is an original so if you have access to that you could compare signatures between the 2.
Here it is....
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B1737-S046
PB
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OK, here we go. Different and better result....
PB
Amazing file - tons of reading to do!
sami
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Wow speak in a week
xin
Well a quick run through...in 15 mins more to digest.
He seems a troubled lad.. boils and worries .. oh dear.
funny thing is towards the end.. one of the Signatures was Haywood?? (his mothers maiden name !!!!) strange.
ok..
well he signed up to young I think.. hadnt a clue what he was doing and there you go.. it all 'boiled' up around him... sorry, it seems he was plaqued with boils.
thanks again all brilliant help.
xin
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Adding to the second military file comments.....
Here is a link to the original attestation paper for the second file I posted with signatures that can be compared to the ones in the first military file. The first file may or may not be a red herring....I'll leave it for you to decide.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=103617
PB
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OOO found Doris's husbands. Obit. very helpful --- proves I had the right connection from Dunston.
good.. nearly there with these.
xin
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This may be "Willie" and family in the 1921 census. 4th family down.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002890710
PB
Added: if Willie is John Henry William, there is a death in the index at this link. Use Clarke with an 'e' and put in all three of the forenames. You can leave the rest blank.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
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Yes
I agree that could be him :) if so the only one that re-produced ;D
That 1929 death would fit with his sibs saying he had already died in the obits...:)
xin
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This has been a great search and such great help on here much appreciated.
xin
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You are very welcome :).
PB
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Always fun to be of some help. :)
sami
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This may be "Willie" and family in the 1921 census. 4th family down.
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002890710
PB
Added: if Willie is John Henry William, there is a death in the index at this link. Use Clarke with an 'e' and put in all three of the forenames. You can leave the rest blank.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Hi... I found an obituary for Freda Clarke in the Winnipeg Free Press, Oct 2 1980. She died on Sept 29 1980. She was 87. Predeceased by her husband William and her sister Margaret. She was survived by her son Wilfred in British Columbia, and 3 daughters, Mrs Gladys McCreedy of British Columbia, M. Pinkos of Winnipeg, and Irene Hryze of California. 14 grandchildren and 19 great grandchildren.
Marriage for Gladys May Clarke, daughter of Mrs W J Clarke and the late Mr Clarke, to Able Seaman James B McCreedy, R.C.N.V.R, Aug 15, 1942. Miss M. Clarke attended her sister.....
Winnipeg Tribune Aug 28 1942.
RK
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Irene died in 2012
http://miller-jones.com/book-of-memories/1156584/hryze-irene/obituary.php
Winnipeg Free Press, February 3 2001... has a memorial notice placed by Irene Hryze and J. and M. Pinkos ... commemorates Gladys McCreedy who passed away on Feb 24 1996 and Wilfred Clarke who passed away Feb 1 2000.
RK
Amended... I removed the full name of M. Pinkos... she may still be living :)
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......and this would appear to be Gladys McCreedy's death cert.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m7c/
sami
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Findagrave has her in Maple Ridge Cemetery, Vancouver
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/187846768/gladys-may-mccreedy
RK
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Again - I wake up to wonderful discoveries..
I spent ages chasing a Freda Schiller's divorce yesterday?
I saw it said Icelandic on one of the census returns.
And I did manage to get a couple of the original news printed articles.. re Obits.
This is now a lovely 'chapter' family tree.
Thank you
xin
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So .. the Obit for Gladys says her Mom was Olafson not Schiller... good job I didnt follow that through.
xin
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Hi again
You can find a marriage for Freda and Willie in the Manitoba index. Willie is down as William John.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Looks like 3 Clarkes listed here.
http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/MB/MBWOO0223/C
PB
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Hi,
I found all of the obits on findmypast...in their newspaper collection. I have the US version. If your version has access to American and Canadian papers, you can find all of the originals :) :)
RK
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Using the link below for the telephone directory.....
Using the info for the informant of Gladys McCreery's burial (name and address) you can find an apparent entry for the person with current contact info. Just put the last name in the person box and town name plus BC in the location box. Appears to still be living so don't want to post too many details here. If you have a problem let me know. There is also another possible contact in the location mentioned near the top of the death record.
http://www.canada411.ca
PB
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wow -- lovely thank you
xin
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ok re FindMyPast obits. I do pay for world wide --- so should be able to access them..
xin :)