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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: pergamond on Friday 15 June 18 20:04 BST (UK)
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The 1851 census for Thomas Alcock born about 1805 in Manchester, with his wife Sarah born about 1809 in Yorkshire, along with Thomas's son Thomas and wife Maria and other family members - I am having difficulty in reading the occupation for Thomas senior. His son was a gilder, and daughter-in-law Maria was a painter. Is it potter? But then I can see a word that looks like farmer.
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I think it might be 'Turner' rather than Farmer.
The word Potter is dittoed == so Potter Turner.
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Thank you Pennines! That definitely makes sense.
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I had just come to the conclusion that this was the best fit to your tailor in Preston.
Thomas and Maria Swetnam/Swettenham married in Q3 of 1849 in Stoke district. They are not listed in FindMyPast Staffordshire CofE marriages, so likely to be Catholics, matching the 1874 marriage.
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The father of the Thomas born 1850 is at Newcastle under Lyme in 1861 (RG9/1917 fol 74 pg 44) and at Shelton in 1871 (RG10/2862 fol 7 pg 7), by which time he is widowed.
No convincing sign of Thomas junior in 1871 yet.
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The father of the Thomas born 1850 is at Newcastle under Lyme in 1861 (RG9/1917 fol 74 pg 44) and at Shelton in 1871 (RG10/2862 fol 7 pg 7), by which time he is widowed.
No convincing sign of Thomas junior in 1871 yet.
I was puzzled previously trying to find the right Thomas and am still bothered ::) Did Thomas snr marry again?
Several of the names of the children seem to fit with a mmn Martin as does Maria aged 9 yrs in the above census. Perhaps she is not Thomas’ daughter?
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Staffordshire BMD show these births for Alcock with mmn Martin
Thomas 1850 sub-district Shelton
Sarah 1853 Stoke
Eliza 1858 Shelton
Emma 1860 Hanley
Maria 1862 Hanley
Elizabeth 1865 Fenton
I am not sure if they are all the same family but certainly Eliza, Emma and Maria fit - as does Thomas.
I can’t find a marriage though for Alcock/Martin
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It looks like Thomas senior did remarry.
In 1881 he's at 19 Mayo St Shelton, described as stepfather of Richard Lilley.
There's a marriage in Q2 of 1872 mentioning Thomas Allcock and Mary Lilley.
The image is on FindMyPast - St. Peter ad Vincula, Stoke-on-Trent:
May 13 1872
Thomas Allcock, 45, Widower, Gilder, Peel Street, Thomas Allcock, Turner
Mary Lilley, 45, Widow, , Charles St Hanley, John Phillips, Fitter
(both signed)
Witness: George Sims, Mary Ann Simms
Of course all this hinges on whether the Preston marriage gives a matching father!
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There is this marriage on Staffordshire bmd
1841 St Mary s Bucknall Staffordshire.
Maria Martin & Thomas Swettenham.
Marj
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That will be the one Marj. :)
I wondered if he remarried before that Andrew because of the gap in children’s births according to census and the Martin surname. All seems well though now.
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Thanks so much all of you! :) Andrew, you mentioned an 1874 marriage - did you think this was a Catholic one?
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The marriage of Thomas Henry to Ann is indexed as 'Register Office or Registrar Attended', the majority of which were RC. At that point, a registrar had to attend an RC marriage for it to be legitimised. The registers were retained by the registrar rather than being kept at the church.
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Thanks Andrew. I was unable to find this marriage. Do you know when it was in 1874?
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Thanks Andrew. I was unable to find this marriage. Do you know when it was in 1874?
It was in your other thread.
Q4 of 1874 Preston 8e 861
LancashireBMD show the original register entry (NOT the GRO copy) indexed as PRESTON/57/72.
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So sorry - yes of course. Senior moment. :/
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Thanks so much all of you! :) Andrew, you mentioned an 1874 marriage - did you think this was a Catholic one?
Or Non -Conformist.
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You do need to check properly though with certificates.
Regarding Thomas born abt 1850, there is more than one and you need to be sure.
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Descendants were Roman Catholic.