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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: RebeccaNZ on Saturday 16 June 18 05:12 BST (UK)
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This is going quite a long way back in time, but I'm trying to trace someone who was a soldier in 1872. Is it possible to trace someone when the only info you have about them is their name, profession and a few clues about location??
I'm searching for Charles Butt who was a soldier on his daughters 1872 birth certificate but that's the only info that I have about him. His daughter was born in Suffolk but in the 1871 census her mother was living in Essex so he could have been living either place.
Is there any census database which allows you to search by profession??
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Find My Past is searchable by profession. However using Family Search I wonder if this could be him in 1871
Chas Butt 23 London, Middlesex Living at Chelsea Barracks for Second Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards Chelsea - Soldier - Private
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Find My Past is searchable by profession. However using Family Search I wonder if this could be him in 1871
Chas Butt 23 London, Middlesex Living at Chelsea Barracks for Second Battalion Scots Fusilier Guards Chelsea - Soldier - Private
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Hi! I was having a play around on ancestry and after a few attempts I found this too. I think that its him. There is also another Charles Butt as a soldier in 1881 but they look to be different people
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Anc has this record from Police Records - looks he joined the Police (but resigned 1877) - Says he was last employed in the Army and discharged 1876
Charles Butt Age: 28
Birth Place London, Middlesex
Date 20 Nov 1876 West Riding, England
Reference WYP1/A139/10
Force West Riding Constabulary
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The Police Record mentions that he was born in Islington
I think this might well be him in 1881 listed him as Charles R Butt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-6P65
A Charles Richard Butt married an Elizabeth Richardson at St Thomas, Lambeth on 31 Mar 1881 with father listed as Henry Butt (dead)
Charles in 1861 with father Henry?? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-H1YN
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The 1871 Census has Charles Butt, private as "unmarried" but the initial post refers to the mother being on the 1871 Census in Essex.
What was her marital status?
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Yes, Charles Butt not married to mother Emma Teager. They had two children
Gertrude Emma November 1872
Charles Walter December 1876
Both born in Marlesford, Suffolk and lived with Grandmother in Suffolk. Gertrudes birth cert states Emma Butt formerly Teager as mother and Charles Butt, Soldier as father but they were obviously never married. Emma went on to marry another Soldier around 1880. Emma was living in Essex in 1871 and married to someone else 1881.
I also found a record for a Charles Butt born 31 May 1849 in London Middlesex in the royal Naval Seamen. Service number 1737B.
So I'm just trying to piece it all together.
Interesting that he may also have been in the Police. I did see that record but wasnt sure if it was him!
The 1871 Census has Charles Butt, private as "unmarried" but the initial post refers to the mother being on the 1871 Census in Essex.
What was her marital status?
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Thanks for clarifying. I'd identified Gertrude as a possibility (the GRO has transcribed mother's name as Seager).
FindMyPast's "British Army, Worldwide Index 1871" (transcription) has -
Charles Butt, Private, Scots Fusilier Guards, Service No. 2014, HQ location London
There's a Charles Butt in the Royal Artillery but ruled out - didn't attest 'til 1874.
Was Charles mentioned Charles Walter's birth cert?
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Thanks for clarifying. I'd identified Gertrude as a possibility (the GRO has transcribed mother's name as Seager).
FindMyPast's "British Army, Worldwide Index 1871" (transcription) has -
Charles Butt, Private, Scots Fusilier Guards, Service No. 2014, HQ location London
There's a Charles Butt in the Royal Artillery but ruled out - didn't attest 'til 1874.
Was Charles mentioned Charles Walter's birth cert?
I only have Gertrudes Birth Cert so far. The dates of his army/police work dont seem to add up to Charles birth ... but I imagine it would say the same as Gertrudes, shes given him the same last name and first name.
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General Register Offfice (GRO)
Charles Walter Butt, Mar Qtr 1877, Plomesgate, 4a 762 - mother's maiden name Teager.
Presence of maiden name implies that the father' details will be present on the certificate.
FindMy Past has an army record for a -
Charles Butt, born 1851, Chumleigh, Devon 49th & 66th Foot. However, the record indicates he was in India at the relevant time.
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General Register Offfice (GRO)
Charles Walter Butt, Mar Qtr 1877, Plomesgate, 4a 762 - mother's maiden name Teager.
Presence of maiden name implies that the father' details will be present on the certificate.
FindMy Past has an army record for a -
Charles Butt, born 1851, Chumleigh, Devon 49th & 66th Foot. However, the record indicates he was in India at the relevant time.
Thankyou, I also saw the Charles Butt in Devon. That's good to know the dates rule him out.
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The Police Record mentions that he was born in Islington
I think this might well be him in 1881 listed him as Charles R Butt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-6P65
A Charles Richard Butt married an Elizabeth Richardson at St Thomas, Lambeth on 31 Mar 1881 with father listed as Henry Butt (dead)
Charles in 1861 with father Henry?? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-H1YN
Thankyou, I've just been going through these records. It does look like a good possibility. I noticed that Henry and Elizabeth dont have any children together. I can't seem to read his occupation on the census, can you make out what it says?
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The Police Record mentions that he was born in Islington
I think this might well be him in 1881 listed him as Charles R Butt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-6P65
A Charles Richard Butt married an Elizabeth Richardson at St Thomas, Lambeth on 31 Mar 1881 with father listed as Henry Butt (dead)
Charles in 1861 with father Henry?? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-H1YN
Thankyou, I've just been going through these records. It does look like a good possibility. I noticed that Henry and Elizabeth dont have any children together. I can't seem to read his occupation on the census, can you make out what it says?
In 1881 he is listed as a Messenger I think
I noticed there was a birth of Charles Richard Butt in 1849 in Islington and in 1901 a Messenger Somerset House
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The Police Record mentions that he was born in Islington
I think this might well be him in 1881 listed him as Charles R Butt https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27S-6P65
A Charles Richard Butt married an Elizabeth Richardson at St Thomas, Lambeth on 31 Mar 1881 with father listed as Henry Butt (dead)
Charles in 1861 with father Henry?? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2ML-H1YN
Thankyou, I've just been going through these records. It does look like a good possibility. I noticed that Henry and Elizabeth dont have any children together. I can't seem to read his occupation on the census, can you make out what it says?
In 1881 he is listed as a Messenger I think
I noticed there was a birth of Charles Richard Butt in 1849 in Islington and in 1901 a Messenger Somerset House
Thankyou, yes I think it does say he is a messenger. I couldn't figure it out what it said. In 1911 hes a retired civil servant.
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On the 1881 Census where he is listed as a messenger, he shares the property with a John Seager, born Ipswich.
The 1872 GRO record (Gertrude) shows mother's maiden name "Seager" while the 1877 GRO record (Charles Walter) shows Teager
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I noticed that as well but I think based on the children living with their grandmother Barbra Teager in 1881 that the mother's maiden name was Teager and Seager was a mistranscription https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-TT32
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It was the fact that he was from Suffolk that made it so intriguing!
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Yes - a puzzle is always more interesting :)
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The son was called Charles Walter Butt.
GRO marriage registration - Walter Teager, Sep Qtr 1852, Romford, 4a 77 - on same page Barbara Sophia Finch.
Emma Teager is with her mother Barbara, born Essex, on the 1861 Census.
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I noticed that as well but I think based on the children living with their grandmother Barbra Teager in 1881 that the mother's maiden name was Teager and Seager was a mistranscription https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-TT32
Yes, Teager sometimes gets misspelled as Seager or even Seago/Teago but they seen to generally use the Teager spelling.