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Hi
I am currently researching my grandfather who was adopted around 10 months after he was born, but he never told us much about his family when he was alive. We are on a quest to find his family and using Ancestry DNA have found out he has a sister (though not sure if she has the same father yet)
We have recently got hold of his birth certificate and found out his father was called George Alfred Broomfield and was a Cook at the London Hotel in Bournemouth in 1928.
My grandfather's mother was named Sybil Barbara Ambrose born 1899.
We cannot see that they were married and are currently trying to find out more information about George.
I was wondering if anyone knew a way to find out more details about him, considering we know he was a Cook in 1928 at the 'London Hotel' in Bournemouth?
Also, we can find 2 births around Hampshire/Dorset for a George Alfred Broomfield, one in 1899 in Chard and the other in 1909 in the New Forest.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Emma
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Hi
I am currently researching my grandfather who was adopted around 10 months after he was born, but he never told us much about his family when he was alive. We are on a quest to find his family and using Ancestry DNA have found out he has a sister (though not sure if she has the same father yet)
We have recently got hold of his birth certificate and found out his father was called George Alfred Broomfield and was a Cook at the London Hotel in Bournemouth in 1928.
My grandfather's mother was named Sybil Barbara Ambrose born 1899.
We cannot see that they were married and are currently trying to find out more information about George.
I was wondering if anyone knew a way to find out more details about him, considering we know he was a Cook in 1928 at the 'London Hotel' in Bournemouth?
Also, we can find 2 births around Hampshire/Dorset for a George Alfred Broomfield, one in 1899 in Chard and the other in 1909 in the New Forest.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Emma
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I think the sister approach is the way to go as it's all there is.
You can also try & rule out one or both of the George's by looking for marriages or deaths pre 1928 when I assume your Grandfather was born.
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update:
George A born 1909 was a labourer in a waterworks in 1939 so probably not him.
George A born 1899 died in Hampshire in 1938.
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Not much to add really but they both are on the GRO.
BROOMFIELD, GEORGE ALFRED mothers maiden name COUSINS
1899 J Quarter in CHARD
BROOMFIELD, GEORGE ALFRED no mmn shown
1909 J Quarter in NEW FOREST
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My grandfather's mother was named Sybil Barbara Ambrose born 1899.
I cannot find a birth registration , either using Ambrose or Sybil Barbara and leaving the surname blank. I can`t find her in 1901 with that birthdate. Where was she born and how have you got these details.
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The George A Broomfield born 1899 died 1938 in Andover and the one born 1909 probably died 1950 in Southampton. No probate entry found for either
The fact he was working in Bournemouth in 1928 does not necessarily mean he was born there - he could have born in any county.
Possible Hampshire marriages - 1932 to Edith E Chant (this is the 1909 George) 1938 Ada G Perry (different George - born 1913)
Sybil Barbara Ambrose born 1899.
Can't see any birth for that name in 1899. Was Ambrose her married name?
On the 1928 birth cert - does it show Sybil as Broomfield nee Ambrose or just as Ambrose?
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Please see this previous thread:
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Duplicate post
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Hi
Sybil Barara Ambrose has quite a complicated story. She was born to George Edwin Ansell and Ethel Beatrice Lipscombe in 1899.
In 1901 a census in Brighton showed her as Sybil Huntly but we assume this is because her father was married to another woman however he left his family a few years before. We expect Ambrose is a ficticious name as the birth was out of wedlock.
In 1911 Sybil Ambrose lives with Margaret Lipscombe (her grandmother) and Cyril Ambrose (her brother).
Sybil Ambrose is later known as Sybil Williams which is on my grandads adoption certificate however I'm not sure where the Williams name comes from.
Thanks
Emma
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Do you know what happens to Cyril?
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She was born to George Edwin Ansell and Ethel Beatrice Lipscombe in 1899
What surname was she given at birth?
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I have not found a birth record for Sybil, however a baptism showed her as a Lipscombe, registered in Fulham.
Thanks
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In 1901 she's listed as niece to Joseph Lipscombe not Granddaughter, also her birthplace is Portsmouth.
Was this covering the fact she was illegitimate.
I can see George Ansell is there but how do you know he's her father?
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So on baptism is she Sybil Margaret, 9th August 1899, and Cyril is Cyril George 14th (?) October 1904?
Added:
Both baptised 22nd July 1905.
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Is Cyril (claimed born 1907) living with his family and his mother Ethel (1880) in 1939 in Poole, as Ambroses?
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On the 1928 birth cert - does it show Sybil as Broomfield nee Ambrose or just as Ambrose?
Sybil was actually Sybil Williams nee Ambrose, however not sure where the surname Williams came from.
The birth certificate shows both Sybil and George Broomfield. The birth record is Robert G in 1928, indexed as both names.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=158242717:4237&d=bmd_1528955346
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?r=158092268:2867&d=bmd_1528955346
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In 1901 she's listed as niece to Joseph Lipscombe not Granddaughter, also her birthplace is Portsmouth.
Was this covering the fact she was illegitimate.
I can see George Ansell is there but how do you know he's her father?
Yes, we believe this is covering the fact she was illegitimate. Ancestry DNA matches have been used to work out that George Ansell was the father.
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So on baptism is she Sybil Margaret, 9th August 1899, and Cyril is Cyril George 14th (?) October 1904?
Added:
Both baptised 22nd July 1905.
Yes we believe this baptism is correct.
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Hi,
I'm not sure if this could be Sybil as I can't see where the CONRAD names comes into it ???
Marriage
Sybil M CONRAD Sep Q 1920 Christchurch 2b 1861
John E WILLIAMS
then I found this birth,
Leo J WILLIAMS Sep Q 1921 Christchurch 2b 1172
mmn: AMBROSE
and possibly this one, which could belong to the above couple if it is Sybil :-\
Ninette J M WILLIAMS Mar Q 1923 Southampton 2c 1
mmn: AMBROSE
I can't find a Sybil CONRAD anywhere before this marriage, so could it be Sybil HUNTLY/AMBROSE ?
Regards,
Daisy
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Thank you Daisypetal.
We actually found out today that Sybil actually was known as a Conrad too and married John Edward Williams. These was Ninette's and Leo's parents and my grandfather is their half brother.
On the birth certificate of Ninette it says Sybil Williams, late Conrad, formerly Ambrose.
Ninette is definately my grandfather's half sister due to DNA results and they share the same mother.
I am not sure where my grandfather's father George Broomfield fits into this all as Sybil had two children (Leo and Ninette) who would have been young when she gave birth to my grandfather with George Broomfield.
Thanks
Emma
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This is all on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794303.msg6523458;boardseen#new
Check there before posting here,as it may have already been found/covered.
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Not sure if I'm following correctly ...is George Alfred Broomfield the named father of your father?
And George Edwin Ansell the biological grandfather proved through DNA. ..?
What else do you know about him and his relations?
Where did you get his middle name from ?
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Not sure if I'm following correctly ...is George Alfred Broomfield the named father of your father?
And George Edwin Ansell the biological grandfather proved through DNA. ..?
What else do you know about him and his relations?
Where did you get his middle name from ?
See the parallel thread linked in reply #21.
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I have locked this topic to prevent further duplication of effort.
George's topic remain unlocked as he started first.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794303.0
Emma, I suggest you contact George via the personal message system and exchange information with him.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php