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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: pflood1978 on Monday 18 June 18 22:48 BST (UK)
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Hi,
My second great grandfather Richard Flood (1850-?) was born in Clondalkin in Dublin. He married Margaret Keogh of of Lugadowden, Woodlawn, Ballymore Eustace and lived there.
Margaret Keogh's Parents were Darby (Jeremiah) Keogh and Joanna ???
Richard and Margaret were married on 22nd November 1871 at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Ballymore Eustace.
Richard Flood and Margaret Keogh had six children that i are aware of; Michael Jeremiah (b. 12th November 1872), Maria Christina (b. 6th December 1873 - 1874), Francis Joseph (b. 4th December 1874), Joanna Margaret (b. 30th March 1876), Richard (b. 30th January 1878) and Teresa Mary (b. 9th November 1880). Richard b 1878 was my great grandfather and married Mary Anne Walsh.
It seems the Keogh family were farmers in Lugadowden and Richard took over his father in law’s land holding after his marriage to Margaret Keogh.
After this date i cannot find any information of the Floods family. I have tried to locate where in Ballymore they family lived but i am also unable to locate the farm land.
regards
Paul
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Richard Flood died 1887, at Drimnagh Lodge (which you know of) his address was Woodlawn Ballymore Eustace
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014902/005014902_00131.pdf
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I wonder was this Woodlawn, it's not on the later maps
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,692586,711936,11,7
Have you checked Griffith's Valuation?
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Hi Sinann,
I checked Griffiths Valuation and it came back with no matches at all.
Ah so this is the same Richard Flood that died in Drimnagh Lodge.
That is brilliant, thank you so much for this. I always thought Michael Flood lived in Drimnagh Lodge,
regards
Paul
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Jeremiah Keogh is the Landlord of the only house in Lugadowden in GV, the building in the link above and another house are on the map, a bigger version of the second house shows on the 25" Historic map on the OSI but is marked as Lugadowden so perhaps the first building was Woodlawn or the second house had it's name changed.
To find it use Griffith's Places and search for Lugadowden
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
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that is perfect. I have always searched by Ballymore Eustace and not Lugadowden.
I also found tonight that the second Parochial House was donated by Keoghs of Lugadowden.
After looking at the maps i see Lugadowden is also spelt Loggadowden and see Darby Keogh was in Tithes, http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625726/004625726_00033.pdf
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By 1901 the De Burgh's have Lugadowden, but Margaret was in trouble in 1888.
From the Kildare Observer
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
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Oh dear, lots of trouble brewing. Jane Keogh is not happy
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Hi Sinann,
I checked Griffiths Valuation and it came back with no matches at all.
Ah so this is the same Richard Flood that died in Drimnagh Lodge.
That is brilliant, thank you so much for this. I always thought Michael Flood lived in Drimnagh Lodge,
regards
Paul
Michael Flood brother is the informant on the death cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06225/4781485.pdf
so looks like Richard died in his brother's house, probably easier for doctors to see him there than in the foot hills of the Wicklow mountains.
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Richard b 1878 was my great grandfather and married Mary Anne Walsh.
Is this Richard and Mary Anne's marriage 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10224/5721669.pdf
It says father Richard, Herd.
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You will have information I don't so working blind as such I would think this is more likely to be Richard son of Richard and Margaret.
Richard and his sister Teresa living with their aunts Jane and Mary Ann Keogh.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mansion_House/York_Street/1344147/
Marriage to Ellen Fitzsimons 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10165/5698223.pdf
Daughter Margaret born 1906 in Lockstown, Wicklow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01720/1680627.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Dalkey/St__Patrick_s_Square/96250/
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This is the most if found out about my family. My grandfather Patrick Flood was born in Smithfield in 1907 and moved to Tipperary where he married my grandmother.
Richard claims to be an Engineer on marriage
Richard Flood and Mary Ann Walshe had a son Richard in 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01646/1657244.pdf
and Patrick Francis in 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01710/1677566.pdf
This looks like the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Smithfield_Terrace/101144/
Father Richard born in Meath.
6 children 2 living
1. Unknown 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724585.pdf
There is a death same address 1903 of Richard Flood, mother Mary Anne, father brewery employee.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05654/4591919.pdf
2. Patrick 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01817/1711169.pdf
There is a death 1905, mother Mary A, address Quinn Street same as street of next birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05595/4572491.pdf
3. James 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01752/1691083.pdf
Death 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05554/4558803.pdf
4. Patrick 1907 living
5. Richard 1908 living
6. Anna Mary 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01594/1640567.pdf
Death 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517698.pdf
Guinness employee records show a Richard Flood worked in the Engineers dept, born 24/7/1877, died 8/7/1949
https://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/archives/archives-genealogy
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Could you be barking up the wrong tree so to speak
Richard Flood a herdsman married Mary Mullholland 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11370/8174870.pdf
son Richard registered July 1876 as Floody in Flemingstown, Meath
329 here looks like Michael but is Richard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03045/2116485.pdf
he also had brothers Patrick and James
his father 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Stamullin/Flemingtown/1610191/
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Nice one dathai, I was looking at that Richard (father) last night but couldn't find a birth for Richard.
The other Richard doesn't have who he married on his baptism, I wonder if this one does.
I can find Patrick but I can't find Richard
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635052#page/127/mode/1up
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There seems to be a few errors on the Walsh marriage 1873
Civil cert says Patricks father Thomas church says Jacobus and Anne
Civil cert says witness James Blake church says Joanha Blake
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11262/8130874.pdf
or
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633406#page/39/mode/1up
Mary Anne 1876
218 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03035/2112704.pdf
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Hi Daithi and Sinann,
That is some investigation. I was taken aback by the newspaper clippings. I spent my evening reading them. You are correct in Richard marrying Mary Anne Walsh and having Richard and Patrick as children that survived. Patrick was my grandfather and was born in Smithfield in Dublin. He died in Portroe in Tipperary. His brother Richard (Dick) fought in WW2 and died in Leopardstown hospital.
Wow Jane Keogh is not happy at all and it seems Richard was up to no good.
It seems the Flood family in general must have had money issues in the late 1880's and lost a lot of land and houses. I read
An examination of the Calendars of Wills & Administrations located a calendar entry for Michael Flood in 1860, which read as follows:
FLOOD, MICHAEL. Effects: under £9,000. 30 August. Letters of administration of the personal estate of Michael Flood late of the Fox & Geese in the Co. Dublin, farmer and lime manufacturer, a widower, deceased, who died 26 July 1860 at the same place, were granted at the Principal Registry to John Flood of Jamestown, near Kilmainham, in said county, the son, one of the next of kin of the deceased.
FLOOD, MICHAEL. 26 January 1888. Letters of administration of the personal estate of Michael Flood late of Fox & Geese, Clondalkin, Co. Dublin, farmer, who died 26 July 1860 at the same place (left unadministered by John Flood, a son) were granted at the Principal Registry to Michael Flood of Drimna Lodge, Clondalkin, another son (Former Grant 30 August 1860). Effects unadministered : £960.
The value of the estate of Michael Flood had diminished considerably from £9000 to £960 between 1860 and 1888.
When searching the records i did see De Burghs lived in the only house in Lugadowden and no sign of the Flood family.
regards
Paul
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You haven't finished reading all the posts yet have you?
We don't believe your Richard is part of the Kildare family.
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No not yet. I was going trough each one and each link
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I get you. The census says Richard Flood was born in Meath and not Kildare.
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I get you. The census says Richard Flood was born in Meath and not Kildare.
That and the fact his father was a Herd.
Also the other Richard living with Jane Keogh and married to an Ellen.
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So...are both deceased??
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So...are both deceased??
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Both the same man and the wrong family.
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So...are both deceased??
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Both the same man and the wrong family.
Am completely lost now!! ;D ;D
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I should have said we believe it's the wrong family.
Need to read the full thread, there is a twist.
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1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Smithfield_Terrace/101144/
Richard Flood from Guinness Archives died 8th July 1949
death cert at 1 Smithfield Terrace
486 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1949/04541/4197588.pdf
you can make an appointment to view his records
son Patrick ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08901/5219160.pdf
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Hi Daithi,
From what i know that is the census in 1911 on Arran Quay of my grandfather and that is most definitely his marriage cert to my grandmother Margaret.
Now Richard Flood working in Guinness and dying in 1949 i don't know. My father never knew or met his grandparents in Dublin but the address seems correct as does his age. I see it says Richard was a widower so Mary Anne had died by 1949.
I'm so confused by the whole thing now.
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Hi Paul
been down that road myself
my own grandfather married twice giving two different sets of parents i spent a small fortune on birth certs etc chased him all over the place traced his siblings except one who i had a topic on here that left me devastated, as a relative of this man posted on the topic that the man i thought was my grandfather infact never left Wexford,he married and died there so could not have been in Dublin since circa 1894 i am still none the wiser.
This i believe is Richard's brother Joseph born 1880
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Stamullin/Flemingtown/713472/
Marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09982/5630129.pdf
not found in 1901 nor have i found a positive Richard in 1901
could they be in the military ?
James born 1871
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Greethill/Moanbaun/1386079/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Julianstown/Claristown/713357/
Marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10606/5864206.pdf
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No wonder i could'nt find him 1901
He married in 1903 from 140 Nth King St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10224/5721669.pdf
the house holder has put him down as age 40
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Inns_Quay/King_Street_North/1282788/
James Walsh married Anne Walsh 1895 he may be a relative of Mary Anne's
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10526/5834070.pdf
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Hi Daithi,
From what i know that is the census in 1911 on Arran Quay of my grandfather and that is most definitely his marriage cert to my grandmother Margaret.
Now Richard Flood working in Guinness and dying in 1949 i don't know. My father never knew or met his grandparents in Dublin but the address seems correct as does his age. I see it says Richard was a widower so Mary Anne had died by 1949.
I'm so confused by the whole thing now.
The genealogist made an error, it should have been noticed that on Richard Flood's marriage to Mary Anne Walsh he says his father Richard was a Herd. On seeing this the church record of Richard and Mary Anne's marriage should have been checked to see who their mother's were, we can't do that for you however we did check the Census etc. and it is very clear that your Richard Flood is from Co. Meath.
Also it is very clear the other Richard Flood (the one you were told was yours) is living with his Keogh aunts and goes on to marry Ellen.
The family in Kildare, the Red Cow and Clondalkin are not your relations.
These people are your relations
Richard b 1878 was my great grandfather and married Mary Anne Walsh.
Is this Richard and Mary Anne's marriage 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10224/5721669.pdf
It says father Richard, Herd.
This is the most if found out about my family. My grandfather Patrick Flood was born in Smithfield in 1907 and moved to Tipperary where he married my grandmother.
Richard claims to be an Engineer on marriage
Richard Flood and Mary Ann Walshe had a son Richard in 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01646/1657244.pdf
and Patrick Francis in 1907
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01710/1677566.pdf
This looks like the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Smithfield_Terrace/101144/
Father Richard born in Meath.
6 children 2 living
1. Unknown 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724585.pdf
There is a death same address 1903 of Richard Flood, mother Mary Anne, father brewery employee.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05654/4591919.pdf
2. Patrick 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01817/1711169.pdf
There is a death 1905, mother Mary A, address Quinn Street same as street of next birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05595/4572491.pdf
3. James 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01752/1691083.pdf
Death 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05554/4558803.pdf
4. Patrick 1907 living
5. Richard 1908 living
6. Anna Mary 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01594/1640567.pdf
Death 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517698.pdf
Guinness employee records show a Richard Flood worked in the Engineers dept, born 24/7/1877, died 8/7/1949
https://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/archives/archives-genealogy
Could you be barking up the wrong tree so to speak
Richard Flood a herdsman married Mary Mullholland 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11370/8174870.pdf
son Richard registered July 1876 as Floody in Flemingstown, Meath
329 here looks like Michael but is Richard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03045/2116485.pdf
he also had brothers Patrick and James
his father 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Stamullin/Flemingtown/1610191/
There seems to be a few errors on the Walsh marriage 1873
Civil cert says Patricks father Thomas church says Jacobus and Anne
Civil cert says witness James Blake church says Joanha Blake
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11262/8130874.pdf
or
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633406#page/39/mode/1up
Mary Anne 1876
218 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03035/2112704.pdf
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and these
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Smithfield_Terrace/101144/
Richard Flood from Guinness Archives died 8th July 1949
death cert at 1 Smithfield Terrace
486 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1949/04541/4197588.pdf
you can make an appointment to view his records
son Patrick ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1937/08901/5219160.pdf
and so on.
I'm sorry but we had to tell you what we found, I know you have spent a lot of time researching the other Flood family, and they sure are an interesting bunch but sadly not your Floods which must be upsetting for you after all that hard work.
At least your great grand dad didn't ruin his wife's family he was just a hard working man up in Co.Meath.
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Hi Sinann,
No thanks for letting me know. I'm glad i found out now and not go down the wrong rabbit hole. I'm not upset but excited about a new journey in research. Luckily i live near Meath so i may be able to take a few trips there.
Thanks for everyones help.
regards
Paul
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Phew.....That's great. Enjoy.
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So you won't be organizing a family reunion for the Floods of BallymoreEustace??
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Mary (Mullholland) Flood died 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05662/4594518.pdf
and Richard died 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05461/4528354.pdf
daughter Mary was his informant so a daughter to find.
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So you won't be organizing a family reunion for the Floods of BallymoreEustace??
Haha unless someone else is paying for it :)
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James Walsh
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Garristown/Pluckimin/1265233/
looking at Garristown Cemetery register there is a burial 1946 for a man of that name
https://buried.fingal.ie/search-for-a-burial/
497 here a bachelor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04595/4217045.pdf
born 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02875/2053464.pdf
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Thanks Dathai,
I have been to Garristown cemetery twice as it is not too far from my house and couldn't find James Walsh or any of the Walsh's graves. It made me wonder were they buried in Rolestown cemetry, where James parents were married.
I will take a trip over in the next few weeks to check again.
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If you note from 1911 census James's house is owned by his next door neighbour Michael Cahill who has a nephew called John Murray ,James Walsh seems to have a plot of land at number 12
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Garristown/Pluckhimin/1655/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000006294/
The Garristown register shows the burial was looked after by John Murray and that the grave was unpurchased.
now i know from Glasnevin that unpurchased graves are later sold on if not purchased within a certain time period so most likely no headstone for James Walsh
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What you might learn from Richard's Guinness Records
https://www.irelandxo.com/partners/guinness-archives
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Mary Flood
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Ardcath/Scatternagh/709319/
married John Keogh 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09982/5630178.pdf
one known son James 1913
281
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01452/1593604.pdf