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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: anniedwyer84 on Saturday 23 June 18 09:22 BST (UK)
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I've 2 immigration records for a cousin in 1928 going to New York, and one of which she didn't travel on. I'm looking to find out the first names of the women mentioned on the record that she was going to.
Her name was Johanna Grant & on 10 September 1928, she stated she was going to her cousin, Mrs. James Connolly of 407 West 47th Street (She didn't travel on this ship). Her name on this listing was Annie Grant.
On 30 Octoer 1928, she stated she was going to her aunt, Mrs Rogers of 10 Adrian Avenue, New York. Her name on this listing was Johanna Grant.
I would love to find out the first names of the ladies mentioned, and hopefully might break a brick wall or two down for me.
Thanks
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I'd never heard of Adrian Avenue, but it looks like it's a small road in the Bronx just across the river from Manhattan, but it looks like the 1930 census has it listed under Enumeration Districts in New York County 31-1167 and 31-1168.
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It looks like 10 Adrian Avenue shows up on at least 10 different pages of Enumeration District 31-1167 in the 1930 census, but I don't see any Rogers there. I also didn't see anyone named Rogers who lived there in the 1931 Manhattan and Bronx city directory.
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Apparently the current 10 Adrian Avenue was built in 1930 (https://streeteasy.com/building/10-adrian-avenue-bronx and https://www.emporis.com/buildings/404095/10-adrian-avenue-new-york-city-ny-usa). I'd assume that Mrs Rogers would have moved to another address soon after Sep 1928. The 1930 census won't help very much in this case ...
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Thanks to you both. Appreciate your input :) Wish people would stay put so could follow them more easily but that's why we have brick walls lol
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E-mailed Calvary Christian Church, which is now at that address & they don't have any records, as it not exist at the address 407 West 47th Street in 1928, so its back to the drawing board for a little bit
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I can’t see her non-arrival as Annie but have the other.
Do you know what happened to her- did she marry? Do you have her in 1930?
Did any siblings emigrate? They might have gone to the same relatives.
Can’t think of much more yet.
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Have Johanna Grant on the 1930 and 1940 Census in New York. No other of her siblings immigrated.
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Do you know the names of her parent's siblings?
Have you looked for a marriage of any of the sisters of either to Rogers or Connolly?
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Have Johanna Grant on the 1930 and 1940 Census in New York. No other of her siblings immigrated.
Did she marry? I can’t see her yet. Wondering if she stayed in the same area as her relatives.
I have tried Irish marriages in the area but can’t see any suitable with those names. :-\
Added - found her now.
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Yes, Heywood - she did marry but can't find the marriage for her. She's on the census as Johanna/Anna Ormond with husband Joseph Ormond. Know her father's siblings - all accounted for but no idea of mother's as haven't put her siblings into my tree.
E-mailed a heap of churches around 407 W 47th yesterday evening, and two have got back to me - one for more information, and the other wants $30 just to do a search
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Yes I saw her in the census.
It is so frustrating when the formalities are used - Mrs- but no first name. ::)
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I don't have a lot of time now to read through this thread, but I hope to later.
Meanwhile, just in case, do you know about this database:
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/
it has vital records for NYC, all names, not just Italian.
And if you start here, https://stevemorse.org/census/unified.html, you might be able to find that address on W 47th St in the 1930 ED's. Set the date at the top of the page to 1930 and follow directions. It might take a few tries to figure out, but it works.
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Thank you, Oldohiohome - went through it, and did a mixture of surnames, and couldn't find anything that I was looking for.
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I used that unified census finder to look for 407 West 47th, NY in 1930. There was no # 407 on West 47th, or else it wasn't enumerated. There were no Connollys on W 47th. Here is the link to ED 350, Manhattan, if you want to look:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRZB-N3S?i=3&wc=QZF4-MQJ%3A649437801%2C651606201%2C651702201%2C1589284557&cc=1810731
Haven't looked for James Connollys in Manhattan yet.
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I also looked for 10 Adrian Ave, Bronx in 1930, but the stevemorse census finder didn't show a 10 Adrian Ave for 1930.
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When she provided the information for the trip in October 1928, Johanna Grant said her nearest relative in Ireland was her mother, Mrs Grant, in Knockanglass, Fethard, Co. Tipperary.
I don't know if you have this but, I think this is probably the family in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Cooleagh/Knockanglass/842561/
house 8 in Knockanglass (Cooleagh, Tipperary)
Jane Grant, 50
Patrick 19
Hannie, 15
more details on the link.
and in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Cooleagh/Knockanglass/1704964/
Richard Grant, 40
Jane 40
Thomas 18
Marget 16
Patrick 9
Johanna 5
if so, this is probably her birth, making her mother's maiden name Stephens
Superintendent Registrar's District: Cashel
Registrar's District: Killenaule
Union of Cashel, Co of Tipperary
Birth,
March 9, 1896, in Moyglass
Johanna [daughter of] Richard Grant, a tailor of Moyglass, and Jane Grant, formerly Stephens. informant: the father.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8e6c5b9778372?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dhanora%26namel%3Dgrant%26location%3DCashel%26yyfrom%3D1895%26yyto%3D1895%26type%3DB%26submit%3DSearch
Now all you have to do is search a zillion Grant or Stephens marriages for one to a Rodgers and a Connolly.
Just on a hunch, I looked for Rodgers/Rogers births in Cashel RD for 1880 to 1896 and there were none. So probably no Rodgers families in that area. So that marriage, Grant-Rodgers or Stephens-Rodgers might be more likely in the US.
By the way, there are lots of Rodgers in Northern Ireland in general, in Kilkeel Parish and Registration District in particular.
There were 21 Connolly births in Cashel for that time period, so there were Connolly families in the area. But a cousin's maiden name wouldn't necessarily be Grant or Stephens.
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There are a lot of James Connollys in Manhattan but here's a James and Bertha Connolly at 463 West 49th, probably the same neighborhood. They might have moved between 1928 and 1930.
If you can work Bertha backward, maybe she is the one you are looking for. She arrived in 1910 and married in NY.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4KJ-196
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Thanks Oldohiohome - the information you posted about Johanna is correct. A cousin of hers did end up in New York also, I have her up to 1915 in Nassau, but after that nothing...I did try and look for another marriage for her, but nothing came up. This is the only 1st cousin on her paternal line that I have living in New York.
Her name was Catherine Salmon, and lived with her husband William A in Hempstead in 1915. After 1915, I can't find anything on her lol
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Happened upon this site by accident when I saw your post. Johanna Grant was my grandmother. She lived with her husband Joseph in Brooklyn, New York, up until Joseph's death in 1972. They had two children, Bridget Ann and Joseph Jr. After Joseph died, Johanna went live with her daughter in Buffalo, New York. Sadly, Johanna passed away just a few months later. Please stay in touch - we have so many questions, as I'm sure you do also!
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Oh wow - this is fantastic ;D Yep, I definitely have questions - and I will try and answer the ones you have as well. You have to make 2 more posts so we can pm, and I'll pm you my e-mail.
I have a lot done on her family in Ireland but barely anything about her life in America. Her father was my great-great grandfather..her father was Richard Grant, and mother was Jane Stephens.
Regards,
Ann-Marie
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What a fantastic journey this has been! It began when my father passed away in 2012 and in going through his papers, my sister and I found Johanna's Irish passport-still in the original envelope that it was mailed in. From there, we were able to locate the census records of the Grant family.
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This is absolutely amazing, and I love the journey that researching my family tree has bought me on. I've only a bare amount about Johanna and her family, so I'm looking forward to swapping information. If you comment on this post, I can pm
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Joseph Ormond was the superintendent of an apartment building on Woodruff Avenue in Brooklyn, New York for many years. Johanna was the sweetest grandmother in the world and I miss her to this day. We know very little about her time in Ireland, however. We do know that Joseph took part in the War of Independence and was involved in the Newtown Cross ambush on July 2, 1920. Looking forward to hearing from you again :-)
Sincerely,
Scott
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Annie - Delighted you have found Joanna - i see on the 1930 census and U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index for Bridget Anne Ormond/Hagstrom she went under Anna. 1940 census Hannah - :-\ How many combinations did we search under ;)
So pleased for you ;) Have the death notice for Johanna Ormond if you need it for your records.
Daily News (New York, New York) 27 Sep 1972, Wed - Other Editions - Page 88
Sandra