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I found a clipping from 1844 recognizing the 22 years of service of James Davis submitted by James Browne Evans Esq of Dean. The 1841 census mentions a Joseph and Robert Davis (brothers?) but no James.
I have a 1841 census of John Davis a blacksmith in Kingham. This John was an assisted immigrant to Australia in 1845. I hope to find the baptism of John and it is quite possible that he is of the James mentioned in article and born in Spelsbury parish or as far west as Wychwood.
Thanks for any help Okkool
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hi, :)
on your other current thread re your John DAVIS, his father is noted as James DAVIS a widower and the scribe did not record details for John's mum. I suspect John's mum and her family (her Dad and/or her brothers) may have been deceased or at least their SURNAME was not known to John for many years, for him, as an adult, to not know either his mum's given or nee name when asked by that clerk, especially as John was able to provide his own baptismal records to that clerk (see Debra's post re the info recorded on the page that followed the one you uploaded).
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795576.0
From John's New South Wales death cert (or official transcription) and/or his marriage cert (or official transcription) or on birth certs for his children ... the church registers often have far more detail than NSW BDM summary registrations .... what information is given about John's origins ... NSW BDM civil registration commenced in 1856. Those clues should be very useful to the regular RChatters on this Oxfordshire Look Up board. :) :)
Online free to search NSW assisted passage ... per Elizabeth (3) 1845, unmarried Males start at page 9, alpha by surname.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/assisted-immigrants-digital-shipping-lists
NSW BDM
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/registry-records.aspx SCROLL down to the heading re information available since 1856 :) and then scroll down further to information available prior to 1856 :)
So, as I understand it, from the 1845 disposal certificate documentation on your other current thread, your John Davis' dad was alive at that time. Here on this new thread I think you are asking about that Dad ... perhaps as you cannot find any supporting 1841 census entry for that ... - James DAVIS was listed on that 1845 document as a Shiphand ... so possibly he was not enumerated on the 1841 census as perhaps he was at sea.
I should also note that John DAVIS was recorded as age 27 on that March 1845 record... so perhaps several years older than a lad born in 1820. :D
JM :)
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You need to have a look at the back of the form for more information.
John's baptism was certified by the Rev. Charles BARTER who was the rector at Sarsden for many years. John's employer before he emigrated was James Haughton LANGSTON. You can read about Charles BARTER and the Haughton LANGSTONs here:
http://www.parksandgardens.org/places-and-people/site/2910/history
As far as I can see the baptisms for Sarsden are only available from the Oxfordshire FHS.
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sarsden_with_Churchill,_Oxfordshire_Genealogy
You are very lucky to have a full set of immigration records, including his disposal certificate - most have not survived.
Debra :)
This is the info that should be very useful to follow up. There's further posts on that thread with reference to where to find the parish registers etc ... :)
Anyway, Debra noticed that the disposal documentation showed that John had obtained a certified copy of his baptismal record and she gave the name of the clergy certifying that he had checked the records, and she has provided further details about that clergyman.
There's even the details for John's past employers ...
JM
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Thanks for your insight JM.
Info from his immigration record:
- He was born 1818
His father was named James, occupation possibly shiphand and a widower
He was a Blacksmith
He was baptized re: Rev C Barter od Sarsden
He was born in Oxfordshire _exact place name is speculation
He worked for J H Langston of Sarsden
His character was certified by 3 Ag Labs, 2 who appear on 1841 census of Kingham, Churchill parish
1841 census
- Living in Kingham as blacksmith
born 1821 although census is +- 3 yrs
born in Oxfordshire
I will ask if my kin if they have obtained the marriage certificate and death certificate. The death index record lists John Benjamin Davis having parents James MA Davis and mother Hannah. Maybe the actual certificate can add something. Marriage records before 1856 don't list parents, so that is a longshot.
I will see if any crew lists from around 1841 have possible James Davis listed.
regards Okkool
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- He was born 1818
His father was named James, occupation possibly shiphand and a widower
He was a Blacksmith
He was baptized re: Rev C Barter od Sarsden
He was born in Oxfordshire _exact place name is speculation
He worked for J H Langston of Sarsden
Rev C BARTER of Sarsden ... and worked for J H Langston of Sarsden Debra gave you the given name for him ... Rev Charles BARTER was C of E, so it is a matter of seeking a look up for the C of E registers of baptisms for Sarsden.
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1300861 Rectory, now house and flats. 1818 by G.S. Repton for James Haughton Langston of Sarsden House (q.v.) for the use of his brother-in-law, Reverend Charles Barter, rector of Churchill-cum-Sarsden.
and
http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/ (he is listed, and was at Sarsden from 1817 to 1830 :) )
J.H. LANGSTON of Sarsden ... as in Member of Parliament ... Debra gave you his given names too. http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1820-1832/member/langston-james-1797-1863
On NSW BDM marriage records for pre 1856, you may well find the names of the fathers of both bride and groom, but not always. If C of E, you may well find the church holdings include the clergy's 'cheat sheet' for family groups ... See the NSW Resources board at RChat, as it includes live links to digitised images of various parish registers for the period from 1829 until well into 20th century for the C of E registers held by Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle NSW ... excellent for sorting out what would be recorded in any particular year for C of E ceremonies. :)
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JM
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I have looked for your chap in Kingham. I can find a John DAVIS, aged 70, a Farmer, with others but not of that surname. I had taken a snip of the image, to share here, seeking confirmation it reads 70.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-ZF8
Agh, I see that I am unable to attach a snip, to these county boards but the marks in column showing start and finish household - is this as John 70, a Farmer; William 50; Mary 45; Elizabeth 30 etc …
JM
I found a clipping from 1844 recognizing the 22 years of service of James Davis submitted by James Browne Evans Esq of Dean. The 1841 census mentions a Joseph and Robert Davis (brothers?) but no James.
I have a 1841 census of John Davis a blacksmith in Kingham. This John was an assisted immigrant to Australia in 1845. I hope to find the baptism of John and it is quite possible that he is of the James mentioned in article and born in Spelsbury parish or as far west as Wychwood.
Thanks for any help Okkool
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Agh, Straight St, Churchill
John DAVIS, 20, Blacksmith, Yes (of the County).
HO 107/878/7
Last entry before Duckend…
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-4V6
Some thoughts ...
:) So how is this blacksmith confirmed as the chap who came to Australia per Elizabeth in 1845 ....
:) is there a family connection between this blacksmith and the other members of that household ...
:) there's several miles between Kingham and Churchill ... and in the 1841 census, they are enumerated as though they are separate districts.
JM
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JM
The 1841 Kingham census also contains the names of 2 of 3 signatories also in Kingham to the character of John Davis on 1945 Australian immigration. Too coincidental to be anyone else. Cannot find this John Davis on 1851 census.
okkool
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JM
The 1841 Kingham census also contains the names of 2 of 3 signatories also in Kingham to the character of John Davis on 1945 Australian immigration. Too coincidental to be anyone else. Cannot find this John Davis on 1851 census.
okkool
I cannot find him at Kingham in 1841. Can you please give the HO reference no for that OR the family search link. Thanks,
JM
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Ancestry has UK Poll Books and Electoral Registers.
Kingham Parish 1852
5098
John DAVIS, abode Kingham, Freehold Land, Himself.
There is a death for John DAVIS, aged 50, registered Second Quarter of 1870, Oxford, GRO 3A page 401.
Can you please provide name/date of the newspaper cutting from 1844 that you mention in your opening post...
JM
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majm
The clip is from the Oxford Journal Sep 28 1844, pg 2, column3, paragraph 3 entitled Servants and Labourers. The entry is 7 lines up from bottom of paragraph.
The 1852 John Davis of Kingham is the 1768-1852 person who is related to a Churchill family of well to do Davis's.
okkool
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1841 census :) :)
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I cannot find him at Kingham in 1841. Can you please give the HO reference no for that OR the family search link. Thanks,
JM
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majm
I think we are looking at the same census. HO 107/878/7
Described as "all that part of the parish of Churchill lying to the north and east of the carriage road leading from Kingham to Sarsden"
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majm
I think we are looking at the same census. HO 107/878/7
Described as "all that part of the parish of Churchill lying to the north and east of the carriage road leading from Kingham to Sarsden"
So, NOT at Kingham :) more to follow
ADD in District 21... as in Oxfordshire, with civil parish as Churchill
Sarah Eader, 85, yes (born in county)
Thomas Rooke, 80, Ag Lab, yes
Thomas Beyan 50, Ag Lab, yes
Thomas Bauldue 20, Age Lab, Yes
John Davis 20, Blacksmith, Yes
Agh, Straight St, Churchill
John DAVIS, 20, Blacksmith, Yes (of the County).
HO 107/878/7
Last entry before Duckend…
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-4V6
Some thoughts ...
:) So how is this blacksmith confirmed as the chap who came to Australia per Elizabeth in 1845 ....
:) is there a family connection between this blacksmith and the other members of that household ...
:) there's several miles between Kingham and Churchill ... and in the 1841 census, they are enumerated as though they are separate districts.
:) JM
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Jackson’s Oxford Journal Saturday September 28, 1844 …
Stow & Chipping-Norton Agricultural Association
Servants and Labourers – Society’s Premiums … To the labourers or their widows who have placed out the greatest number of their family with the least assistance from the parish … first, 3l,; second, 2l; third, 1l. ,,,,
many names follow, including
James DAVIS, recommended by T.B. EVANS, Esq. Dean, 22 years’ service. 1l,
(I believe 1l to be one shilling).
I am certain the newspaper has T.B. EVANS, I cannot see the T as a J and I cannot find any mention of James Browne Evans in that issue of the newspaper in connection with James Davis.
With the surname of DAVIS (and possible variations) it can be very important in following up clues to be pedantic with any sightings. Even in Sydney NSW pre the gold rushes (so late 1840s) I can find several blacksmiths named John DAVIS in the very small geographical area of the CBD. To work through to find your chap's DAD needs patience, thoroughness and careful transcriptions... :)
JM
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majm
I stand corrected. Thomas not James Browne Evans.
(Too much late evening typing I presume)
I did manage to get John's death certificate of 1901. It is John Benjamin Davis age 83 son of James Moss Aaron Davis and Hannah Brown.
On John's arrival in Australia he served a years service as a general servant as per the assisted immigrant program. By 1851 he was named chief constable of Woolongong. A position he served for many years.
okkool
okkool
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So you are seeking a baptism for a baby boy born circa 1818 in Oxfordshire, given names of John Benjamin, a son of James Moss Aaron DAVIS and his wife, Hannah nee BROWN …
May I share some thoughts…
:) Wollongong is around 230 miles from Molong, and there’s several Police Districts between them too. I am concerned that you have him at Wollongong as Chief Constable from 1851 for many years… I think they went to Molong and were stationed there for many years before returning to Wollongong in the mid 1860s….
:) I see a marriage at St Michael’s, Wollongong, (CofE) by special license, 18th August, 1852, Rev M.D. MEARS … Mr John DAVIS to Miss Sarah Emily, eldest daughter of Mr William ORGAN, late of H.M. 28TH Regiment Foot.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/59775198 Bells Life 28 Aug 1852
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12939425 SMH 23 Aug 1852
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC2-ML8 : 10 February 2018 FHL 993964 (Batch M31026-3)
BUT, :) :) :) but ... after marriage, and birth of Maria Jane, I see John and Sarah Emily well away from Wollongong for many years, perhaps not back residing in Wollongong until mid 1860s … as births to the couple were registered Wollongong district from about 1864…
Maria Jane, born 11 Oct 1852, daughter of John & Sarah Emily DAVIS, of Harbour St, Wollongong, (he as Chief Constable), was baptised December 5, 1852, St Michael’s Wollongong
I see a baby born 10 April 1855, Eliza Best, daughter of John and Sarah Emily DAVIS, baptised Wellington 24 June 1855. (Wellington and Molong Police Districts adjoin each other)
NSW BDM online index has this as Volume 42A, line 1764, of 1855.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTHN-WMN 11 February 2018
993965 / C21026-4
Bathurst Free Press 29 Nov 1862
At the Railway Hotel on Friday 28th November of Croup and Diptheria, Hannah Louisa Organ DAVIS, third daughter of John and Sarah Emily DAVIS, late of Molong.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62720694
:) :) Also, despite much reading, cross referencing etc ... I have not found John’s middle name of Benjamin recorded anywhere in my offline resources, … sorry, I have a great deal of NSW family history, particularly C of E, but not everything ... :) :) :) BUT ….. I can see Sarah E, Sarah Emily with John, but just NOT with John B or John Benjamin…
On the other hand … ::)
a birth registered in 1868, in Wollongong District for a William J B, son of John and Sarah E DAVIS, #18219 … likely leads to
NSW ER 1902 ILLAWARRA, polling at Wollongong
William James Belmore DAVIS, Denison St, a carter
And again on that other hand
NOW I MENTION that the electoral rolls, like many other official records from that colonial era, contain spelling errors, often because the information was given verbally, and recorded with best endeavours, but not by people who needed to be excellent spellers, so on same page as William James Belmore DAVIS (NSW ER 1902, ILLAWARRA, polling Wollongong - 1902 was first NSW roll to include females. Ancestry has 1903-4 roll.)
Sarah Emily DAVIES, Denison St, domestic duties
Alfred John DAVIES, Denison St, labourer
Isabel Annie DAVIES, Denison St, domestic duties
Yes, Denison St was and still is a longish street.
OF COURSE, the electoral rolls from that era do not include house numbers or house names, and of course don’t give marital status, so I am simply speculating that perhaps you may be interested in the DAVIES v DAVIS consideration, as there’s a birth for Alfred J A, son of John & Sarah E, DAVIS registered 1871, Wollongong District. #19590.
Good luck with James Moss Aaron DAVIS, that combination of given names should give identifying info for your quest.
JM
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Thanks For the research Majm
According to the family, John had a total of 11 children of which 7 lived beyond infanthood. You have mentioned several of the children in your research as well as his wife. His middle name was referenced in his 1901 death notice in the Wollongong papers, but most often referred to as J B Davis later in life. In all early references to his work in the bush as constable he is only referred to as John Davis.
The William J B Davis you mention was actually William John "Boulanger" Davis another son.
okkool
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:D :D :D
Here’s sightings for your Chief Constable … as John DAVIES and as John DAVIS, but no mention of any middle given name… and I still cannot see how you have determined the chap arriving in 1845 on the Elizabeth is confirmed as this Chief Constable…
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12900402 27 January 1847
WELLINGTON
His Excellency the Governor has appointed Mr John DAVIES to be Chief Constable at Wellington.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230674867 NSW Govt Gazette 12 March 1847 … Wellington as Davies
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230675216 Govt Gaz 2 April 1847
Wellington … Job enlarged to include Inspector of Distilleries… as Davies
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230675463 GG 23 April 1847
Wellington … and Inspector Weights and Measures as Davies
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230150260 GG 17 Oct 1848
Wellington
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230151330 GG 15 Dec 1848
Bathurst
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/228775814 GG 7 May 1850
Bathurst … CPS absence, so he issues public notice re Henry KABLE to be poundkeeper at O’Connell Plains…
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230771252 GG 23 Sept 1851
Wollongong
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230771526 GG 10 Oct 1851
Wollongong
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230771953 GG 31 Oct 1851
Wollongong John DAVIS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229759559 GG 11 July 1854
Molong John DAVIS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/gazette?q=
I have searched right through until mid 1890s, not found him using Benjamin... sorry... BUT ... :)
JM
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1836
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32150963
The Sydney Monitor, 19 March 1836
INVERMEIN,
Timothy Ferry, to be chief constable
John Davis, holding a ticket of leave, to be constable from the 5th ultimo in the room of James Boland, dismissed…
JM
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Here is my source for name connection as confirmation of info from great grand child.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132353315?searchTerm=John%20Benjamin%20Davis%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=# (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132353315?searchTerm=John%20Benjamin%20Davis%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=#)
and
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132346719?searchTerm=sarah%20Emily%20Davis%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=l-australian=y|||l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=190|||l-year=1902|||l-month=1|||l-title=669 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/132346719?searchTerm=sarah%20Emily%20Davis%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=l-australian=y|||l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=190|||l-year=1902|||l-month=1|||l-title=669)
okkool
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Yes, and likely at least one of those links were given by Ros on your other current thread ... but how do you link your chap back to the one in the title of this thread, John DAVIS, born abt 1820, son of James DAVIS, Spelsbury Parish ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795576.msg6524001#msg6524001
His 1901 dc should give you what the informant knew at that time as to 'how long in the colonies' and as that informant knew all those given names for John's dad, I think there's likely to be reliable info on that dc...
JM