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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: PaulJC on Thursday 28 June 18 09:53 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am looking to trace the parents and any possible siblings of a Dinah Pendleton born December 1872 in Manchester. She married a James Henry Foley in Manchester in 1893 but I cannot find her in either the 1881 or 1891 census.
Many thanks,
Paul
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Do you have her birth certificate?
The only Dinah Pendleton I can see on the GRO site was registered March 1873 Chorlton 8c 646 mmn Nowland
Emeltom
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Many thanks,
I guess that's her but sorry.... what does "mmn Nowland" mean?
Paul
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The GRO site gives the Mother's Maiden Name (mmn) as Nowland
Emeltom
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Hello,
Lancashire BMD shows the birth with mother Norrland.
There is a Margaret Elizabeth born 1870 with mother Nolan and indeed several other children before and after this.
This looks like the family in 1871 3980/90/32
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBNZ-RVG
Parents Samuel and Margaret.
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Marriage
Samuel Pendleton/Margaret Nolan Jun 1852 Manchester 8d 183
Emeltom
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That looks good Emeltom.
I can’t see the family in 1881 but looks like there was a death of a child about that time.
1891 3167/138
Margaret Pendleton married , 59 yrs old, Green Grocer and Fruiterer
John Pendleton 22 yrs
1891 3165/111
Samuel Pendleton married, 60 yrs old, Green Grocer’s Assitant
In the household of his son Samuel, also a Green Grocer
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I think that should read aged 59 years and aged 60 years, rather than married.
Emeltom
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I was putting their status in not the years :)
I will insert the appropriate punctuation.
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Sorry. See what you meant. Neck wound back in!
Emeltom
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I see what you mean too.
I was trying to show that they were not together on census night but showing married.
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1901 3673/132/23
Margaret Pendleton in Chorlton workhouse.
No Dinah in 1881/1891 yet though
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Hi All,
Thanks for your efforts.
The marriage suggested is 20 years before Dinah was born and although by no means impossible its a little unusual.
Paul
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Hi All,
Thanks for your efforts.
The marriage suggested is 20 years before Dinah was born and although by no means impossible its a little unusual.
Paul
Not sure what you mean Paul.
That is her parents marriage, we hope, and if you look at the link I gave you, you can see that in 1871 there are children aged a few months to 18yrs.
There are then others from 1871 onwards.
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Also it is not unusual to find women in their 40's having children - at any time, not just back then.
Emeltom
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It is the right family.
Margaret Elizabeth born 1870 mentioned earlier.
Manchester Catholic Records index shows her as Godmother to Joseph Foley, 1899.
http://mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
Margaret is a servant in Over Darwen in 1891 and in 1901 is living alone in South Manchester and has a Tripe Shop. She marries Walter Derbyshire in 1909.
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The nearest I can find is 1891 3175/6
There is a Mary Pendleton 18yrs born Gorton and is a servant at the Kings Arms, Gorton Lane.
I can’t yet see a birth for a Mary Pendleton and Dinah is not with either parent in 1891.
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The only way to at least confirm her father's name would be to purchase the marriage certificate.
Emeltom
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The only way to at least confirm her father's name would be to purchase the marriage certificate.
Emeltom
Yes I agree, I should really be writing ‘if they are her parents’ and not ‘parents’.
However, I can’t see that family in 1881 :-\
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[quote author=PaulJC link=topic=795960.msg6527229#msg6527229 date=15301926
That is her parents marriage, we hope, and if you look at the link I gave you, you can see that in 1871 there are children aged a few months to 18yrs.
There are then others from 1871 onwards.
There are 11 births on Lancashire BMD with Pendleton surname and mother's maiden name of Nolan or variations (Nowlan/Norrland/Noland). Eldest was Samuel, registered 1853. Last 2 were Emily (1874) and Frances Annetta (1877). If these were all children from the marriage of Samuel Pendleton and Margaret Nolan, Margaret would have been aged around 21 at Samuel's birth and 45 when Frances Annetta was born.
Edit. All except Samuel were registered in Ardwick sub district.
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There are some baptisms on Manchester & Lancashire FHS website which may correspond to some of the Pendleton children in my reply #19.
1853 Samuel; 1860 Margarita (birth of a Margaret was registered 1860); 1862 Jacobus (Latin for James which was name of boy registered 1862). All baptisms at St. Augustine, Granby Row.
A Francesca Annetta was baptised at St. Chad in 1888. :-\
http://mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
Edit Re. baptism of Francesca Annetta Pendleton 1888. More likely to have been one of the babies below:
Birth registrations 1886-1888 (Lancs. BMD):
1886 Frances Annetta Pendleton, mother's maiden name Pendleton, Ardwick sub district.
1888 Frances Annetta Pendleton, mmn Smith, Ardwick sub district.
1888 Frances A. Pendleton, (no mother's maiden name given on Lancs. BMD), Saint George sub district.
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Re Frances Annetta
1866 birth Frances mmn Nolan
1876 death Frances Annetta
1877 birth Frances Annetta mmn Noland
1881 death Frances Annetta
This is the death I mentioned when speculating the family’s absence from 1881 census :-\
Frances Annetta in 1888 mmn Smith looks to be the child of Joseph
Frances A in 1888 (Annetta on GRO) looks to be the child of James.
Death of one child in 1888
The 1886 child mmn Pendleton could be illegitimate.
Death in 1886.
Those names were certainly significant in that family.
Still no Dinah though so looks like you will need the birth certificate to confirm.
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If you have the correct family
The Cathedral and Parish Church, Manchester
May 7th 1852
Samuel Pendleton aged 20 Bachelor, Spinner
Abode 5 BR Pump Street
Father Samuel Pendleton Engineer
Margaret Nolan aged 19 Spinster
Abode 5 BR Pump Street
Father Daniel Nolan, Tailor
Witnessed by Ann Baguely and John Clements
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Yes that is hopefully the one Heather.
The address is Bk - Back Pump Street.
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It is the right family.
Margaret Elizabeth born 1870 mentioned earlier.
Manchester Catholic Records index shows her as Godmother to Joseph Foley, 1899.
http://mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
Mother of Joseph Foley baptised 1899 was Dinah Pendleton. Baptisms of 2 other sons are listed.
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I posted that as I thought that would help to confirm the family as we have Dinah marrying James Foley in first post.
However, as Paul had some doubt about the family, he might wish to get the certificates to establish her parentage.
I wish she would turn up in 1881 with her family ::)
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Was Margaret Nolan/Pendleton born in England or Ireland? Her father, Daniel Nolan sounds Irish. Just a thought that the family may have gone on a visit to Ireland and that might explain them not being on an English census.
Census transcriptions of my ancestors called Dinah or Diana include Daniel and something really odd for one of a later generation.
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No, she states born Stockport.
I found the family earlier in 1841 in Manchester where it says born in county but Daniel and Margaret the mother are born Ireland.
1841 571/25/7
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQLH-84S
I am hoping that is the right family. Daniel fits with Heather Julie’s earlier marriage details.
I have tried variations of Pendleton and family first names and area for 1881 but no sign yet. :-\
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A couple more random reasons for going missing at census time:
Family may have fallen on hard times and were in workhouse, orphanages or split up and boarding out. Personal details may have been incorrectly recorded or transcribed.
They emigrated then returned. (This is what my aunt's Irish grandparents did, crossing Atlantic twice before finally settling in England c1870.)
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A couple more random reasons for going missing at census time:
Family may have fallen on hard times and were in workhouse, orphanages or split up and boarding out. Personal details may have been incorrectly recorded or transcribed.
They emigrated then returned. (This is what my aunt's Irish grandparents did, crossing Atlantic twice before finally settling in England c1870.)
The death of Frances Annetta was registered in June quarter 1881.
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There's a Frances and a Fanny Pendleton both aged 4 (y.o.b. 1877) in Lancashire on 1881 census.
Death of Frances Annetta was registered in Ardwick sub district as were most of the births.