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Title: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Friday 29 June 18 08:17 BST (UK)
Hi,

I'm looking for any detail on where a Fitzgerald family lived near Killarney, Kerry around 1830.

The detail I have from New South Wales records is:

Father      Garrett FITZGERALD   (birth & death unknown)
Mother     Honora FLAHIVE      (birth & death unknown)
Child          Ellen                 born Kerry IRE 1828-29
Child          Garrett         born Killarney IRE 1830-31
Child          John                 born Kerry IRE 1830-31

Son Garrett migrated to AUS in the 1850's at his own expense.
In 1861, Garrett sponsored John & Ellen to migrate as government "Assisted Immigrants".
John migrated in 1862 and Ellen (with her husband John NAUGHNANE) in 1863.

While their recorded address was just "Ireland", their "referee of character" was:
   The Rev'd. John Fitzgerald DAY
   Beaufort, near Killarney

In 1861, Garrett had also sponsored Honora Connor (aged 13, address "Ireland") but she did not migrate.

In 1864, his brother John re-sponsored Honora (aged 17, address "Firies, Killarney, Co. Kerry") with
character referee being "Parish Priest, Firies, Co. Kerry".  Honora migrated in 1865.

I hope this information will helpt to locate the Fitzgerald family but understand that the required historical records may not be available.

Regards,
AUS-Mike
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Friday 29 June 18 08:37 BST (UK)
John Fitzgerald of Ennismore was granted estates under the Acts of Settlement in 1667. ... Reverend Richard Fitzgerald, of Ballydonohoe, owned over 1300 acres in county .... Knight of Kerry, of property at Dingle to John Martin, 1774. D.26,667. ... on Fitzgerald Papers, mainly relating to Day & Fitzgerald families of Co Kerry, ...

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1894

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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Friday 29 June 18 09:39 BST (UK)
Deleted

Sorry misread the father's name.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Friday 29 June 18 09:51 BST (UK)
Beaufort parish records don't start until 1840s
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0656
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Friday 29 June 18 16:20 BST (UK)
Beaufort parish records don't start until 1840s
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0656


Beaufort

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=1775

Wonder what Religion they were.............
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Friday 29 June 18 18:59 BST (UK)
The Rev died 1881 Beaufort House
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06426/4846166.pdf

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014896/005014896_00091.pdf

son married 1870
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-3-22-033
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Friday 29 June 18 20:05 BST (UK)
COI so.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 06:43 BST (UK)
might help pin down locality
marriage of Lucy Day 1863
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ma9/
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 09:15 BST (UK)
In 1846 John Fitzgerald Day was secretary of the relief committee for the parishes of Ballymacelligott,Ballyseedy,Currans,Nohaval and O'Brennan

enter his name here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballymacelligott

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballyseedy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currans

not sure whether Nohaval is in Kerry or Cork or adjoining
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Cork/Nohaval/

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Kerry/Nohaval/

https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/O/OBrennan-Trughenackmy-Kerry.php
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 09:20 BST (UK)
Hmm quite a few around
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01maa/

one Flahive
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=flahive&firstname=&county=Kerry&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 09:32 BST (UK)
Deceased Surname Fitzgerald
Deceased Forename Honora
Primary Beneficiary/Executor Ellen Leehy
Sec. Beneficiary/Executor Mary Fogarty
Addl. Beneficiary/Executor Timothy Fogarty
Date of Death17 Oct 1858
County of Death  Kerry


http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014882/005014882_00198.pdf

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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 09:35 BST (UK)
I see Fieries is mentioned here
https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/M/Molahiffe-Magonihy-Kerry.php
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 09:45 BST (UK)
Deceased Surname  Fitzgerald
Deceased Forename    John
Primary Beneficiary/ExecutorThomas Fitzgerald
Date of Death25 Apr 1909
County of Death   Australia


http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014916/005014916_00104.pdf

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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 10:18 BST (UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_(name) Gerald or Gerrard Latin for Garrett

John 1827 ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mac/

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625699/004625699_00021.pdf

Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 30 June 18 10:24 BST (UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_(name) Gerald or Gerrard Latin for Garrett

John 1827 ?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mac/

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625699/004625699_00021.pdf



;D that's the one I deleted earlier, there is a Maurice as well.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 10:42 BST (UK)
http://www.propertypartners.ie/commercial/brochure/gurrane-gortbrack-firies-kerry/3323024

Griffiths Valuation 1853
Garrett Fitzgerald leasing from Reps of James Mahony
Barony   Magunihy
Union     Killarney
Parish    Molahiffe
Townland Ballyfinnane
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 June 18 10:56 BST (UK)
Hi Sinann
             i was having trouble finding this man's children sometime back
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kingstown_No__3/Tivoli_Road/98802/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mad/   just remembered the Latin version

and 205 here Mary Bridget
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03349/2227983.pdf
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 11:00 BST (UK)
Rev Day had a fairly decent sized vegetable garden!
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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 30 June 18 11:20 BST (UK)
I'm totally confused now.
Are the Fitzgerald's RC or COI?
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 11:44 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 11:46 BST (UK)
I'm totally confused now.
Are the Fitzgerald's RC or COI?

C Of I
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 30 June 18 11:59 BST (UK)
So is the thinking Garrett is related to the Rev.?

Those RC baptisms can't be the correct family, yes?
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 12:10 BST (UK)
So is the thinking Garrett is related to the Rev.?

Those RC baptisms can't be the correct family, yes?

Well they go across to the Bandon lot.... and Garrett Fitzgerald, Prime Minister, was part of that lot and he wasn't RC.

he was on "Who Do you think you are" program talking about his family history....
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 12:18 BST (UK)
Marriage

1824    DAY Robert    Late judge of the King's Bench    FITZGERALD Mary    d/o late B Fitzgerald MD, Bandon


http://www.bandon-genealogy.com/bandon_related_bmd_elsewhere.htm
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Saturday 30 June 18 12:24 BST (UK)
Ballyfinnane and Firies townlands were owned by the Browne family, later Earls of Kenmare.

They leased Ballyfinnane to James Mahony of The Point in 1758, he had taken a lot of leases from the Brownes around then. He died in 1794, but I presume his descendants still held on to the land.

Firies townland was leased by the Brownes to the O'Connor Kerry family after the siege of Tralee back in 1652. They were still there until the 1860's when Barry O'Connor was going around brandishing guns at people. I suspect Barry was the son of Jeremiah who is shown in the 1836 Electoral Roll as being a freeholder in Firies, though most of the land he held there was still leasehold as per Griffiths.

There is also a John O'Connor in Firies in Griffiths. His wife and daughter moved to Australia in 1857 and left him behind, see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/O'Connor-301.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Saturday 30 June 18 13:20 BST (UK)
More on Connors though I wouldn't swear to the accuracy of this snippet from 1840:
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 13:33 BST (UK)
In the National Library of Ireland


"Copy of royal licence to the Rev. John Robert Fitzgerald and Edward Fitzgerald, both of Spring Hill in Co. Kerry, to take the name of Day in addition and after that of Fitzgerald and to quarter the arms of Day, July 26, 1841."
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Saturday 30 June 18 13:35 BST (UK)
Garret appears in three separate Valuation Office Books in 1849, 1850, and 1852: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/results.jsp?surname=fitzgerald&firstname=&year_from=&year_to=&dd_dd=&dd_mm=&dd_yyyy=&book=&county=&barony=&parish=&townland=ballyfinnane&last_name_other_or_lessor=&first_name_other_or_lessor=&search=Search
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 13:36 BST (UK)
I'm totally confused now.
Are the Fitzgerald's RC or COI?

Yes!

No!


 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 13:37 BST (UK)
I'm totally confused now.
Are the Fitzgerald's RC or COI?

Yes!

No!


 ;D ;D

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry for Mr. Justice Robert Day of Kerry  (Born Dublin)
 :-
"Day's second wife, whom he married on 21 June 1824, was Mary, daughter of Bartholomew Fitzgerald MD of Brandon, co. Cork, and a Roman Catholic. This lady, ostensibly a companion to his first wife, was the mother of two sons fathered by Day during the currency of his first marriage. These boys, both of whom took Anglican orders, assumed the surname Day in accordance with the terms of their father's will."
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 30 June 18 13:54 BST (UK)
https://books.google.ie/books?id=YMmX7QdO-OkC&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270&dq=Fitzgerald,++Spring+Hill++Co.+Kerry&source=bl&ots=z5vz0T4Qbc&sig=bbd5pDZnVMAPvYA5pHdidYXmq3M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8pL39tPvbAhWFXsAKHT_RBHcQ6AEIUjAF#v=onepage&q=Fitzgerald%2C%20%20Spring%20Hill%20%20Co.%20Kerry&f=false
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Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Sunday 01 July 18 03:43 BST (UK)
Hello All,

First, thank you all for your prompt and helpful responses.  I'm new to researching within Ireland and the many links you've provided will be very useful now and in the future.

Also, my apologies for not responding sooner to your questions - some family matters arose requiring my attention.  I will answer some questions now and provide further clarification as I absorb your posts.

To Hallmark
Religion - All those who came to NSW are Roman Catholic.   I expect Garrett senior and Honora would also be RC.  Thanks for your landed estates link.

To Sinann
Thank you for the link to Parish Registers.  I see that Killarney records go back much earlier and will check out these in case the family moved around.

To Dathai
Re your comment: "Hmm quite a few around" ...
Yes, my earlier searches of more common websites revealed many Garrett Fitzgeralds and Honora Flahives but without information useful in filtering out the unrelated ones.  Thanks for the many links.

However, I think you may have found something by using the alternate "Gerard" spelling of "Garrett" to find the mother "Honora Flahive" & the location GURRANE which I see is just north of TRALEE.  Garrett junior's 1902 NSW Catholic Journal obituary stated that he was a "native of Tralee" but his 1859 Berrima NSW parish marriage certificate states his birthplace as Killarney. All "unknown" on his NSW civil marriage certificates.  I will check it through.

To you all
I believe the connection to the Rev'd Fitzgerald-Day and his high standing is significant.  Garrett junior was supposed to have arrived here in 1858 (44 "years in colony" on his 1902 death cert) and, within months, been appointed to the NSW Police in Berrima ahead of a serving Constable with good record from the nearby larger town of Goulburn.  I had concluded that Garrett must have had a pretty good reference to achieve this.  The news report of his appointment stated that as Garrett was "so worthy", other applicants "could not be considered".

I have to do some digging and calculate the years but it's possible that the mother of the Rev'd Fitzgerald-Day is related in some way to Garrett senior.

Once again, many thanks,
AUS_Mike
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Sunday 01 July 18 06:13 BST (UK)
Hello again,

Sorry, I forgot to mention ...

In another NSW Archives collection (ship's muster), John Fitzgerald's 1861 address is "Lahy Co. Kerry".

I've checked Google Maps & the Irish Historical Names Database & Wikipedia's Townlands of Co Kerry but can't find a match. 

Do you have suggestions?  John was listed as being able to read & write when this was recorded.

I have attached a screen snap of this with surrounding addresses for comparison.  (My PC just shows "(http://)" when I try to insert an image directly in the post.  Must be my setup.)

Regards,
AUS_Mike
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 01 July 18 07:48 BST (UK)
I wonder if it could be a misheard Faha.
There is more than one but the townlands of Faha East and Faha West are not too far from Killarney and Beauford.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 01 July 18 09:02 BST (UK)

I believe the connection to the Rev'd Fitzgerald-Day and his high standing is significant.  Garrett junior was supposed to have arrived here in 1858 (44 "years in colony" on his 1902 death cert) and, within months, been appointed to the NSW Police in Berrima ahead of a serving Constable with good record from the nearby larger town of Goulburn.  I had concluded that Garrett must have had a pretty good reference to achieve this.  The news report of his appointment stated that as Garrett was "so worthy", other applicants "could not be considered".

I have to do some digging and calculate the years but it's possible that the mother of the Rev'd Fitzgerald-Day is related in some way to Garrett senior.

Once again, many thanks,
AUS_Mike

Day applied to combine the 2 family crests so the mother of the Rev'd Fitzgerald-Day was entitled to use her family crest.... in order to use a family crest one has to record and prove lineage so the Fitzgerald lineage is most probably registered in  Genealogical Office.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Sunday 01 July 18 09:39 BST (UK)
The official spelling of Gurrane is Garraun and it is next to Ballyfinnane as per https://www.townlands.ie/kerry/magunihy/molahiffe/kilnanare/garraun/ that's why Garrett and Honora married in Castlemaine.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Tuesday 03 July 18 00:18 BST (UK)
Hello Again,

To John Falvey ...
My apologies for not acknowledging your assistance in my earlier replies.  Thank you for your articles & links.

Regardsing your comment ...
"that is why Garrett and Honora married in Castlemaine."

I'm sorry, I cannot see this in the posts.

Have you located the actual marriage record?  Or is this inferred from John's baptism?

Regards,
AUS_Mike
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 03 July 18 00:29 BST (UK)
The baptism record dathai posted of John to Gerald Fitzgerald and Honora Flahive was in Castlemaine.
Reply #13
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Tuesday 03 July 18 08:24 BST (UK)
Sinann is right, I should have been referring to that baptism.
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Wednesday 04 July 18 07:34 BST (UK)
Hello Again,

This is just a note to say thanks again for all your assistance and the information & links provided. 
It was much more than I had expected would be available.

I used the Griffith maps to locate Garrett's property in Ballyfinnane also constructed a map of the townlands of family members.  I've incorporated your info and the map into a document I prepared for a friend and believe she will be very pleased.

I will close the post in a few days to get it off the active board.

Thanks again,
AUS_Mike
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: John Falvey on Wednesday 04 July 18 10:44 BST (UK)
There's a 1779 Will Extract for a Garrett Fitzgerald at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99LW-2XL1?i=335&cat=224404
Title: Re: Family of Garrett FITZGERALD near Killarney
Post by: Aus_Mike on Saturday 07 July 18 01:58 BST (UK)
Hi John,

Thanks for your Reply #40 on the Will Extract for Garrett.  I will check into it.

Hi Hallmark,

Re: your Reply #19 of 30 June, ...

Please advise the source & date of the profiles on the Fitzgerald-Day brothers.

Best Regards,
AUS_Mike