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Any help please am searching for a freind.
Rev. John Gower Jones born 21st January 1864 Llanelly
Awarded a BA at Oxford University 13th October 1888 .
Would like to know who his parents and siblings where
Many thanks
Heddwch
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Hi
There is a John Jones born 1864 Q1 Llanelly mmn Gower
Several Jones/Gower births which include Llewelyn Goroney
In 1871 there is a family, parents Thomas and Elizabeth with children including John and LLewelyn G born 1868.
Couple of marriages in LLanelly for a Thomas Jones and Elizabeth Gower in 1861 and 1863 (same or different?) may be an error.
Cathy
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from marriage register of Holy Trinity, Felinfoel 5 Sept 1891 and by Licence
John Gower Jones, 27 bachelor, schoolmaster of Capel Ifan, father Thomas Jones, farmer married
Florence Webb Withers, 25, 39 Carlyle Road, Birmingham, father Edwin Withers, gentleman.
1881 census, Capel Evan, Glyn, Llanelly RG11/5378 folio 7 pg 8
Thomas Jones head mar 70 farmer 70 acres b. Llannon
Elizabeth wife 71 b. Pembrey
Thomas son mar 44 b. Llannon
Elizabeth dau in law 39 b. Pembrey
Catherine granddau 15
Llewellyn grandson 12
William G grandson 7
Olwen granddau 4
Elizabeth granddau 3
Lewis P grandson 11 months
John Rees 17 farm servant
Ann Beynon 21 general servant b. Llanddarog
all born Llanelly except when noted
1871 Fancey, Glyn, Llanelly RG10/5471 folio 12 pg 17
Thomas Jones head mar 35 Ingine (sic) fitter b. Llannon
Elizabeth wife 30 b. Pembrey
Sarah dau 9
John son 7
Catherine dau 5
Llewllyn G son 3
Jane Williams servant 18
all born Llanelly except Thomas & Elizabeth
Marriage at St John's Chapel, parish of Llanelly, 20 Dec 1861
Thomas Jones, 24, bach, engineer, Pontyberem, father Thomas Jones, clerk to
Elizabeth Gower, 19, Capel Ifan, father John Gower, farmer
Witnesses William Gower & William Edwards
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Interesting, the 1863 marriage of Thomas Jones & Elizabeth Gower would appear to be the father of Thomas remarrying to the widowed mother of Elizabeth.
20 Feb 1863 St John's Chapel, parish of Llanelly by Licence
Thomas Jones,full age, widower, weigher, Pontyberem, father Thomas Jones, Shoemaker, to
Elizabeth Gower, full age, widow, farmer, Capel Evan, father William Williams, farmer
witnesses Henry Williams & Dinah Gower
1861 census Cappel Evan, RG9/4117/ folio 7 pg 9
Elizabeth Gower head widow 41 farmer of 140 acres employing 2 labourers
Elizabeth dau 19 dairy maid
Dinah dau 17 assisting dairy maid
David son 13 b. Llanelly
John Jones 22 general farm servant. Llanelly
all born Pembrey except last 2
From Probate index, Letters of Administration of the personal estate and effects of John Gower, late of Capel Evan, in the parish of Llanelly famer deceased who died 13 Jan 1859 at Capel Evan granted to Elizabeth Gower widow, relict of the deceased.
Notice of Dinah's marriage 20 July 1863, conducted by her brother John
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4352207/4352212/22/
1851 census Pantygwenith, Hengoed, HO107/2468 folio 390 pg 14
John Gower head mar 50 farmer of 70 acres
Elizabeth wife 41
John son 19
Ann dau 14
William son 12
Elizabeth dau 9
Dina dau 7
David son 3
Jane dau 1 b. Llanelly
all born Pembrey apart from Jane
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Thank you so much so kind of you
Heddwch
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This is a very large family descending from John Gower 1800-1859 and Elizabeth Williams 1810-1903 that I have very thoroughly researched. Your John Gower Jones was their grandson being the son of their daughter Elizabeth Gower 1841-1935 and Thomas Jones 1836-1932 and was the second of their 14 children. He died on 8 May 1949 at 9 Ilton road, Cardiff
From Crockford's 1938
Jesus College, Oxford BA 1891. Deacon 1891, Priest 1892 Llandaff. Curate of Tredegar 1891-94; Mountain Ash 1895-98; Penmaen 1898-1900; St. Woolos, Newport, Mon 1900-05; Temporary Chaplain to the Forces 1916-1919; Rural Dean of Rhondda 1929-37; Vicar of Glyntaff 1905-37; St. Donats Diocese of Llandaff from 1937 (Gross Income £330, Net £3116 and House) Surrogate from 1906
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Relating to Paterchurch’s research, would you have any details to confirm how the union of John Gower 1800 and Elizabeth Williams might i any way be connected with John Gower b.1854 (poss1853) of Pembrey who married Margaret (possibly Davies)? John’s father was probably William Gower b. 1815 in Pembrey. The family lived at Penllwyn, Pembrey in 1861,
These Gowers were miners; is there any evidence of when they might have left the land?
Yn gywir
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Unfortunately I have no trace in my records of a John Gower born 1853/4. The nearest one in date that I have in my records is one born in about 1857 but his father was Thomas Gower born about 1812. As for a William Gower born 1815 the only one that I have was baptised at Pembrey 4 April 1813 his parents being Jonathan Gower and Elizabeth of Dimpath.
My ancestor John Gower was born in 1800, the son of Morse Gower and his wife Mary (Rees). He did have a brother, William, baptised at Pembrey Church 17 March 1803. In the 1861 and 1871 Censuses he is listed as a Pitman at the Colliery ie miner. However he never married. He died on 27 September 1871 and was buried at the Jerusalem Independent Chapel. Burry Port.
In all probability, due to the same forenames being used within a famly, there is some connection but this may go back to Morse Gower and his forebears and I have only traced a single line back from him
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Thank you for that, Paterchurch. I shall need to try to follow a different line. I am finding genealogy in Wales to be very difficult!
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Hello
Came across this post by accident and the attached maybe of interest. They are pictures the gravestones of the Gower / Jones family and that of Cecil Gower Rees (Grandson of Thomas Jones and Elizabeth Gower's via daughter Catherine Jones who married a Rawlins Rees) and his wife. I took these several years ago whilst visiting Capel Ifan (St. John's) Pontyberem. Was not even sure why I took them at the time, perhaps intuition said they might be related in someway (I am but distantly)!
Regards
Roy
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Thank you Roy for this. However, I do not believe, on the other evidence I have at present, that this family had anything but a most distant relationship with the one I have been researching. Names & dates don't math up as far as I can see, and the family whose details you have sent appear to have a very much more elevated and erudite status than mine. I have had considerable difficulty in separating out at least two Gower lines within the Pembrey Llanelli area, and one of these was much more connected with the land in the XIX c. than mine, who, at least when they could find work, found it underground.
Regards,
Mike
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Ah well, maybe of use to someone else. I think we may have distant links via John Gower of Pembrey (1868-1902) who married Margaret Jenkins (1868-1932). Assuming my research is right, I have distant links to Margaret Jenkins
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Hello
I'm not sure if there is a link to your Gower Jones but I have a Daniel Gower Jones b. 26Nov1876 in Capel Evan,Pontyberem and died 4Dec1959 in Swiss Valley, Llanelly he was the herbalist at The Fancy.
I recall that there is a story of a Gower Jones being dug up and moved from Burry Port/Llanelli area to St John's Church in Capel Ifan, Pontyberem.
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Relating to Paterchurch’s research, would you have any details to confirm how the union of John Gower 1800 and Elizabeth Williams might i any way be connected with John Gower b.1854 (poss1853) of Pembrey who married Margaret (possibly Davies)? John’s father was probably William Gower b. 1815 in Pembrey. The family lived at Penllwyn, Pembrey in 1861,
These Gowers were miners; is there any evidence of when they might have left the land?
Yn gywir
Although an old thread, this has had a recent addition and I have come back to it, plus in the interim I have done more work on my tree and Carmarthenshire parish records are now available on several sites. This John Gower abt 1853 of Pembrey was the son of William Gower 1813 and Mary Emmanuel 1823. He married Margaret Gower (yes same surname) on 21 Mar 1874, Pembrey. He was 21 Margaret was 18. Bachelor and Spinster of New Pil? and Level respectively. Fathers William Gower and Thomas Gower, both colliers. I have only just found the marriage. I have info on the father William Gower but not on the Thomas Gower father.
He does link to the Gowers of Pantygwenith. John Gower’s 1853 great grandfather was Moses Gower 1729-1801. He married twice, his second marriage was to a Catherine Evans or Lewis 1745-1839 and it is from this line John Gower 1853 comes from. Moses’s first marriage was to a Mary Rees 1733-1779, parents of Moses Gower 1764-1806, who is father of John Gower 1801 of Pantygwenith.
Always assuming my research is correct!
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Relating to Paterchurch’s research, would you have any details to confirm how the union of John Gower 1800 and Elizabeth Williams might i any way be connected with John Gower b.1854 (poss1853) of Pembrey who married Margaret (possibly Davies)? John’s father was probably William Gower b. 1815 in Pembrey. The family lived at Penllwyn, Pembrey in 1861,
These Gowers were miners; is there any evidence of when they might have left the land?
Yn gywir
Screenshot from my tree
Although an old thread, this has had a recent addition and I have come back to it, plus in the interim I have done more work on my tree and Carmarthenshire parish records are now available on several sites. This John Gower abt 1853 of Pembrey was the son of William Gower 1813 and Mary Emmanuel 1823. He married Margaret Gower (yes same surname) on 21 Mar 1874, Pembrey. He was 21 Margaret was 18. Bachelor and Spinster of New Pil? and Level respectively. Fathers William Gower and Thomas Gower, both colliers. I have only just found the marriage. I have info on the father William Gower but not on the Thomas Gower father.
He does link to the Gowers of Pantygwenith. John Gower’s 1853 great grandfather was Moses Gower 1729-1801. He married twice, his second marriage was to a Catherine Evans or Lewis 1745-1839 and it is from this line John Gower 1853 comes from. Moses’s first marriage was to a Mary Rees 1733-1779, parents of Moses Gower 1764-1806, who is father of John Gower 1801 of Pantygwenith.
Always assuming my research is correct!