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Apologies up front if I'm not doing this correctly, I'm very new at this.
I'm trying to pin down my English ancestry. I've taken the Riley side back to MARTIN RILEY, clothier, b. ca 1806, and his wife SARAH nee ATHA b. ca 1811. I'm fairly sure I've got her parents and family, (Atha/Austin) but can't find anything much on him. The info I do have on their marriage is one of those infamous "text only" deals over at a******y, but it does give a date and place - Saint Peter's, Leeds, York, England; 15 October, 1827. What I really want is his parents' names although I suppose that's something of a long shot from a marriage record. I've searched very hard for some way I can find this info myself but it's been for nought.
I would appreciate any help with this. Thanks!
ETA: following custom. You'll note "that place" is no longer spelled out ;).
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Hello,
The marriage shows in West Yorkshire Marriages but not very helpful :-\
Martin Riley, Clothier and Sarah Atha married by banns 15th October 1827
Both made their mark and witnesses were:
Joseph Fletcher -mark and Robert Hargreaves (witnesses others so will likely be a Church Official).
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Drat. I suspected such would be the case. At this point I suppose the best I can do is search for some sort of baptism/christening record although verifying that it's the <i>right</i> Martin Riley is going to be iffy at best since it appears the name Martin is not all that uncommon. At least most people tended to pretty much stay put back then although within a year of his Father's death in 1855 son Austin apparently sold out and emigrated to America. Oh, well, thank you very much for your help.
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Now I was thinking that Martin was not that common for Yorkshire but when I look it is ::)
Martin gives his birth as Bramley and the family are living there.
1841 shows 69 Rileys in Bramley in 1841.
Your Martin is living Top of Town. There is a family with John and Jane as parents living in Town Street who have a son, Martin. It is worth noting just in case.
Mind you all of Bramley might live around a Town Street ;)
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Unfortunately at that time father's names were often not on the marriage cert
This is my transcription from the image of Parish records
St Peters Leeds Yks
Page 584 no 769
Martin Riley of this Parish and
Sarah Atha og this Parish Spinster
were married in this Church by Banns mths 23 Sept, 30 Sept, 7 Oct
Marriage 15 October 1827 by Wm Williamson crate
Martin and Sarah made their mark
Witnesses Joseph Fletcher made his mark
Robert hargreave (signed)
Burial
Bramley St Peter Yks
no 2036
Martin Riley age 48
Burial 17 Jun 1855
by James Dixon
unfortunately W Yorks baptisms details on a******y begin 1813
there are many Martin Riley baptisms with no date or definate place
1841 census (full details if you require them)
Martin and Sarah have 4 children with them and Thomas Atha age 55 (ages in 1841 rounded down to nerest 5 years) and Wm Rayment 35
1841 Martin is a widower jst has 2 eldest children with him -do you know where the youngest children were??
Could they be with family?
Suz
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1841 Martin is a widower jst has 2 eldest children with him -do you know where the youngest children were??
Could they be with family?
Suz
Dead, unfortunately :(. Annabella died 1841 of Scarlatina (scarlet fever), and Oliver died 1843 of hydrocephalus. I invested in the death certificates as I was 90% sure I had the right ones.
ETA: Both children were under the age of two at death.
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there is a tree on An*****y which has Oliver dieing 1843 in Ontario Canada?????
Suz
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Now I was thinking that Martin was not that common for Yorkshire but when I look it is ::)
Martin gives his birth as Bramley and the family are living there.
1841 shows 69 Rileys in Bramley in 1841.
Your Martin is living Top of Town. There is a family with John and Jane as parents living in Town Street who have a son, Martin. It is worth noting just in case.
Mind you all of Bramley might live around a Town Street ;)
Yep. Most of my life I thought we were Irish, until my sister gave me an a******y DNA test for a birthday gift. Although I realize they're more of a general guideline than anything, it came back showing no Irish ancestry at all and that apparently I/we were more British than the average Brit by quite a goodly percentage. That's when I started looking into all this - and discovered a new hobby - and also discovered all the Yorkshire Rileys and that the name has English roots. I'm trying to get at least 3 points of agreement before I decide a record belongs to my ancestor, but it's difficult and I've a lot of "tentative" notations. It's a pretty fair bet I've got distant Riley/Atha/Austin relatives in the Leeds area. Perhaps some day I'll get to look them up.
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there is a tree on An*****y which has Oliver dieing 1843 in Ontario Canada?????
Suz
Different Oliver.
The .pdf of the death record I've got on him says DoD 8th August, 1843 at Bramley, name Oliver Riley son of Martin Riley Clothier, Martin present at death. Which, although macabre, gave me clue that Sarah must've been gone by then as I can't see her not being at her son's side at that time unless something was very wrong.
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RoseHawke: When it comes to the burial records for Bramley some of the records are hard to trace?
Currently there are 2 churches, St Peter's C of E and Baptist Church.
St Peter's Church site was cleared in the 1970s leaving a grassed area but most of the headstones were photographed for posterity.
(Link to make enquiries: http://www.bramleywarmemorial.com/contact-us/)
Old photos of Bramley can be viewed on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/bramleymemories/
Regards Brian
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There are transcripts/indexes of the Bramley St Peter burial registers on the Yorkshire Indexers site - they can be accessed on payment of a modest subscription.
As well as Martin there's Sarah in 1846 and 3 young sons: Thomas Atha (1835), Oliver (1843) and Alfred (1844).
The fact that Martin registered Oliver's death in 1843 as "present at death" doesn't imply anything about whether Sarah was there or not. All it tells you is that Martin was there and that he saw to the registration. There's no provision for more than one person to notify a death.
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True, arthurk, I was working from Sarah being listed as "present at death" on Annabella's death record. But happily it did help to narrow down the range a bit on her DoD.
RoseHawke: When it comes to the burial records for Bramley some of the records are hard to trace?
Tell me about it. Especially when trying to do something like this from 4,000 miles away! Although I suppose I shouldn't fuss, as recently as 20 years ago this would have been difficult if not impossible. Oh, and thank you for those links, Brian. I take it the war memorial folks keep the photo archives? I will definitely join the "Memories of Bramley" FB group. I'm also doing a bit of reading on the wool industry at that time as it seems the entire area was geared toward that.
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Yes the Memorial people are the keepers of the church records!
Certain a message to John Barker will bring positive results :)
Brian
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I haven't checked every entry that's been mentioned, but at least some of the burials at Bramley St Peter can be seen at Ancestry - images of original registers.
An initial quick search in the index didn't seem terribly fruitful, so possibly some of the names have got mangled in the indexing, but as I had the exact dates from Yorkshire Indexers I was able to browse straight to them.
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Yes, there are so many Rileys that the indices are pretty much useless for me, at least for the moment. Just not enough info there for me to verify that it's the person I'm searching for so that I'm confident in following up (and possibly spending money) on it. I'm working my way through some of the registry images over at A* page by page. I'm pretty good at handwriting and have run across more than one instance of a tired/distracted/inahurry transcriptionist putting down a best guess which was nowhere close. I also ran across one instance where a page was skipped transcribing completely.
I've only been doing this for a few months, my sister works on it off and on, but I think she's more interested in our mum's McGlothlin side so I've left that bit to her while I concentrate on trying to x-verify the Riley connections she's come up with.
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Just realised that Yorkshire Indexers have an index to baptisms at Bramley St Peter's - it looks like it might be the only baptism set that they have, but also that it might be available without a subscription. It's at
http://www.yorkshireindexers.info/forum/db/parish_baptisms.php?tabid=40
Looking at this, there were quite a number of Rileys, but I didn't see Martin.
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I'll give it a go. If nothing else it will be interesting.
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Just realised that Yorkshire Indexers have an index to baptisms at Bramley St Peter's - it looks like it might be the only baptism set that they have, but also that it might be available without a subscription. It's at
http://www.yorkshireindexers.info/forum/db/parish_baptisms.php?tabid=40
Looking at this, there were quite a number of Rileys, but I didn't see Martin.
arthurk, I haven't had a chance to check that out yet, but I just wanted to say that I have gotten the death record for Martin - definitely his record!
"Superintendent Registrar's Record, Hunslett; Registrar's District Kirkstall: Died, Fifteenth of June, 1855, Male, 48 years, Clothier; Cause of death: Phthisis Pulmonasis (TB) 14 months certified; Austin Riley present at death Waterloo Lane Bramley; Registered 15th June 1855; James Rawson, Registrar"
I'm quite chuffed about this :-).