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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: nvb272 on Saturday 30 June 18 16:00 BST (UK)
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Can't find this place anywhere-i assume its a geographical location.
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There is a Cadder near Bishopbriggs. Have a look at this link
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/16626
That might give you the answer you're looking for.
Good luck
Morag
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The place in the photo is what I'm looking for , I know where cadder is
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Looks like "Gargell" to me.
I have seen reference to "Gargell, Old Monkland parish". Also the Glasgow Herald, 13 Jan 1875 has an article about miners' houses
"I was able, during the hours of daylight on Monday, to visit Gargell, Gartcloss, Rosehall, Greenend, Calder, Faskin and Woodhall ...... I would not care to have any great stake depending upon my ability to indicate the exact locale of Gargell. This only I may say, that to reach it we pass through Gartsherrie ..... Gargell is on the contrary extremely small, and on the whole an unpleasant place ...."
I think it was linked to the Baird Ironworks in the area.
Have been checking old Scottish maps but, as yet, unable to locate Gargell.
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I can find the places listed above - Gartcloss to Woodhall - on an 1859 map but not Gargell.
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http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/401.html
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Could it be Gartgill which is between Gartsherrie and Gartcosh? see http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.8794&lon=-4.0512&layers=5&b=1
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I've been wondering if it might be Gartgill. The article I posted mentions thatched cottages and there's a Thatch Row at Gartgill.
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It is Gartgill which is in Old Monkland parish see the OS Name books at https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/lanarkshire-os-name-books-1858-1861/lanarkshire-volume-49/13
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The place is indeed Gartgill, ("Gargill" - old spelling on John Thomson's Atlas of Scotland 1832).
See attached https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400128 (https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400128)
Gargill can be found in square (E,b), and if reverting to current style of easting/northing grid references, the nearest estimated location is at (E6, b1).
Regards
Istrice
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Thanks both for the confirmation.
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The NLS 'side-by-side' maps show how Gartgill grew and pretty much disappeared over the years by changing the old map from one era to another.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=55.8788&lon=-4.0479&layers=5&right=BingHyb
It looks like all that remains on the ground now to remember Gartgill by is a street called Gartgill Road. The houses and other buildings have all gone.
ADP
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I think it is gartgill rd which runs between gartsherry rd and wilton st townhead. there is railway cottages as there once was a station there it was my playground.
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS7267 has some photos of Gartgill Road.
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Out of interest, I put the word Gargell into a newspaper search for Lanarkshire.
It produced a few results but, one may be of interest
Glasgow Herald Dated 13 Jan 1875 ( more than 40 yrs after the 1828 birth in the OP)
Heading: Notes On Miners Housing (11) by our own correspondent.
Ot was obviously No 11 of an ongoing report into the conditions of Miners Housing.
This particular report centred on a one day tour made by the journalist Mon 11 Jan 1875:
He picked up an "engine" from Coatbridge which allowed him to visit several places during daylight hours.
He visited, Gargell, Gartloss, Rosehall,Greenend, Faskin, and Woodhall.
He didn't think the conditions of the miners houses were too bad but, the water supply was defective and clearly contaminated.
He made a reporters joke about Gargell.
Indicating that he would not be able to direct you there with any degree on confidence!
The only way to reach it is to pass through the town of Gartsherrie ( mentioned the name Baird was a force to be reckoned with ).
"Strike across an uneven country with very bad roads, and at length tumbled out at Gargell."
He then describes it as a extremely small unpleasant place.
A single row of 11 houses also owned by Messrs Baird.
Two had slate roofs, the rest were primitive thatch.
An open drain runs through the gardens and empties into an underground sewer.
The water supply was the biggest issue here too.
The residents preferred to travel to the railway station to collect clean water rather than use the supply at Gargell