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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Mehrtsgirl on Sunday 01 July 18 01:14 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I believe my 2 x great grandmother was Ann Darenzy (various) who may have been from Dublin and likely married a James Holohan there in 1840. I have been told that the name (and therefore family) likely originated from Sir Matthew De Renzi who settled in Offaly in the 1600s and that there were De Renzis who were well placed within society.
Not so my Ann! She married a labourer and probably lived in relatively poor circumstances in Bagnelstown, Carlow. I would love to know anything at all about the 'other side' of the De Renzi family especially those in Dublin. I would love to know more about Ann and I would be thrilled to hear from anyone who may have De Renzi ancestors (or is one currently!)
During my visit to Ireland last year (from Oz) I was told a number of times that the surname was not Irish although I'm sure by Ann's time the family well and truly considered themselves so. TIA.
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Hi
There were also lots of Derenzy folk in nearby Co. Wexford, particularly around Bunclody (formerly known as Newtownbarry). See link:-
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/bunclodyunionindex.pdf
Cheers
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Inscriptions on Monuments in St. Mary's Church, Athlone, in Chronological Order.
“THIS MONUMENT WAS ERECTED FOR THE RIGHT WORSHIPFULL MATHEW DE RENZI : KNIGHT
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE THE : 29 : AUGUST : 1634 : BEINGE OF THE AGE OF : 57 :
YEARS : BORNE AT CULLEN IN GERMANY AND DISCENDED FROM THAT FAMOUS RENOWNED
WARIROR GEORGE CASTRIOTT, ALS SCANDERBERGE (WHO IN THE CHRISTIAN WARR, FOUGHT 52
: BATTAILES WITH GREAT CONQUEST AND HONNOR AGAINST THE GREAT TURKEY) HE WAS A
GREAT TRAVELLER AND GENERALL LINGUIST : AND KEPT CORRESPONDENCY WITH MOST
NATIONS IN MANY WEIGHTY AFFAIRES : AND IN THREE YEARS GAVE GREAT PERFECTION TO
THIS NATION BY COMPOSING A GRAMMER DICTIONARY AND CHRONICLE IN THE IRISH TONGUE
: IN ACCOMPTS MOST EXPERT AND EXCEEDING ALL OTHERS TO HIS GREAT APPLAUSE. THIS
WORKE WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY HIS SONN MATHEW DE RENZI ESQR AUGUST : THE 29 : 1635
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/westmeath/cemeteries/athlone.txt
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Thanks LH and hallmark. Co. Wexford comes up quite a bit in my research on the Derenzys but can't yet find a connection for Ann with this county. I haven't seen that inscription - very interesting indeed. An interesting family and I'm completely fascinated in understanding how I'm connected with it. So more Wexford research it is!
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Could De Ricci be another variation, there are a couple of records in Dublin COI
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mam/
Quite a few for other variations
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01man/
Keep playing around with the spelling.
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"....grandmother was Ann Darenzy (various) who may have been from Dublin and likely married a James Holohan....."
Why not start with last known FACT ??
Shemay not have been from Dublin and may not married a James Holohan.....
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Hi again
You write on another county that you know the name(s) of children and when they were baptised.
What religion were the children baptised?
Have you seen their baptism records?
Cheers
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OK - last known fact. Baptismal records for Dunleckney parish showing Thomas and his siblings. Parents James Oolahan/Holohan/various and Ann Darenzy/various. The children were baptised RC. Yes I have seen the baptismal registers and have two records sourced by a cousin from the parish that detail the baptismal entries for Thomas and Michael (cousin ordered them quite a few years back). I have copies of Thomas' army papers (enlistment) with more details and which support place of birth, date, etc.
No Ann may not have been from Dublin. The evidence thus far weighs very favourably on the side of her being married to a James Holohan (see above). The only marriage record any member of our family can find is one James Holohan and Ann Darenzy in 1840 in Dublin. Fits with the birth of their first child. It seems at least a place to start searching for more information on her. Similarly Ann Derenzy as a name comes up in other records in the area e.g as a godparent. This was after Ann was married but perhaps it is her?
Yes I will keep playing around with the spelling. Certainly haven't tried De Ricci!
Thanks for the help and prompts :)
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What date are the baptisms?
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0703 Dunleckney
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Thanks for the Dunleckney link.
The baptisms from St Andrews, Dunleckney Parish, Bagnelstown, Carlow: Michael 24 April 1841; James 16 July 1843; Thomas 21 September 1845; Michael 7 November 1852; Margaret 24 June 1855; John 9 May 1858 TBC (this one was found by a member in another group - parents noted as James Wholohan and Anne Devereaux).
Re the marriage on 22 May 1840. It took place at St Andrews Westland Row, Dublin. A member in another group also found a baptismal entry for A. Maria Derinzey 1825 St Mary's Pro-Cathedral, Dublin. No idea if this is Ann and it would make her very young for the marriage but not unprecedented.
Griffiths Valuation shows a James Holohan in Kilcarrig St Bagnelstown in 1853.
That about exhausts my knowledge of the family except Thomas who I know quite a bit about :)
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MMmmm looks like Cunaghan to me
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634457#page/91/mode/1up
although I guess the sort of F shape after John could be part of the first letter of the surname making it a H
the others might be clearer.
James is unreadable
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634458#page/11/mode/1up
Thomas
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634458#page/19/mode/1up
Michael, finally one that says Holahan
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634458#page/35/mode/1up
Margaret
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634458#page/39/mode/1up
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Thanks Sinann :) I go nearly blind reading these pages !! I'm not sure about the John either but have him in my tree as a TBC so I don't lose the info. One day into the future and all that :)
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There were also lots of Derenzy folk in nearby Co. Wexford, particularly around Bunclody (formerly known as Newtownbarry). See link:-
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/AngRecord/bunclodyunionindex.pdf
Bunclody is only ~20 km from Bagenalstown as the crow flies (and Dunleckny looks around 12-15 km depending on which part of the parish they inhabited).
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Thanks eadaoin. Not far at all. Looking at the names I wonder if some of them were from the family associated with Clobemon Hall. I've also gone through some records from the Ferns parish as there were a few Darenzys there so some evident clusters of the name in Wexford. My cousin is certainly of the view that Ann's family came from Wexford (not sure about Ann) and she has been researching her for over 30 years (not that she has found anything additional). I see a Thomas Derenzy there in the list (just keeping in mind naming conventions to see if there are any links).