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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: pollypringle on Sunday 01 July 18 15:25 BST (UK)
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I am looking for my grandfather Alexander Malcolm Truelove born 21/8/1915-18 his army records say he was born in Cardiff but we can find no trace of him. He appeared in Birmingham just before the war and married my grandmother, his marriage certificate says father Stephen Malcolm Truelove deceased. They had children and he stayed in Birmingham until 1950 then he moved back to Cardiff where he stayed and died in 1985 losing all contact with his children.
I assume he must of had some connection to Wales so it may hold the key to his past but where do I start looking? He seems to have never been born with no birth cert. So may of been brought up in a home/ poorhouse.
I am at a complete loss where to start searching, would the Glamorgan archives be of help? I can't find him on any electoral rolls for Wales any advice greatly appreciated
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Ummmmmmmm, do you think he is using a different name? I looked for him, looked for his 'claimed' father nothing.....
He married Edna in 1941 in Birmingham have you looked on the 1939 register to see where he is
My great grandfather was born/baptised using one name and changed it completely also moving counties so I was in a similar position. He was married twice and wrote different 'fathers' name on each marriage cert, on the 1st he put his grandfather on the second his uncle and where his headstone is which states " lies here" he is actually 4 miles away in another grave yard
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Thank you for your reply I think you are right he must be using a different name. When he married Edna he was living in an area of Birmingham by a family of Trueloves William his brother Robert & son Frederick. The area 31-35 Spring hill passage keeps coming up and in 1912 a Stephen Truelove is paying the rates for that address. It feels like there must be some connection but I just can't join the dots ??? ::) ::)
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Hi do you have his death cert who registered his death any clues there
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I think I have found him on the 1939 register Alexander R A Truelove
Added just thought shouldn't have put the details up but birthdate matches
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Hi Wendy
His death cert gives no clues as he was registered by someone in Wales. I have him on the 39 register its Alexander M Truelove though
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Ah on the 39 register it was initially recorded as Alexandra and then ra was crossed out and replaced with er
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Hi have you tracked back the Willam Truelove 53 with wife Emily and family especially the Nieces Eliza 19 & Mary Ann 16 Truelove, all born Birmingham, Eliza/Mary Ann look to have mmn Atkins, at 35 Spring Hill Passage 1911?
Keyboard86
PS and the niece Sarah 21 who married a John Vincent Langford
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Hi
Yes the neices are Williams twin brothers children (Robert) in 1881 he was imprisoned,in 1911 he went on to marry Rosina riding and they have a son in the 1911 census, Bernard but there is no birth cert etc for him
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he went on to marry Rosina riding and they have a son in the 1911 census, Bernard but there is no birth cert etc for him
This isn't correct.
Please read all the replies on your other thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796112.msg6528866#msg6528866 Bernard's birth reply #8
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Apologies Jen. A lot of great info on my other thread
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Hello
Have researched families and often the mother or father changes their names due to circumstances such as remarriage (women) lawlessness, bigamy, deserting from the forces ect (Men)
Hope you find your answers Good Luck
Heddwch
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You say he died in 1985 in Cardiff - I can't see a record of this.
There is one in 1982 in south glamorgan with unknown date of birth - how sure are you this is YOUR Alexander Truelove
And where is this date of birth from 21/8/1915?
The one with the matching Date of birth on the 1939 register is in Birmingham but doesn't give a middle initial
I wonder if he was born abroad
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What was his occupation on his marriage certificate? Does it match the 1939 register (and the death certificate)?
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Alexander Malcolm Truelove of 52 Tudor Street, Cardiff died 15 July 1981. Administration Winchester 25 Sep 1984 Not exceeding £25,000
1939 shows him as Removed by moderator
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Alexander Malcolm Truelove of 52 Tudor Street, Cardiff died 15 July 1981. Administration Winchester 25 Sep 1984 Not exceeding £25,000
1939 shows him as Removed by moderator
Weird, can’t find a death record on FindMyPast or Ancestry 🤔
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Neither could I but probate was there - weird
The only thing I can think of is it's the death in South Glamorgan (Date of birth unknown) the year after - but why it wasn't registered for nearly a year is beyond me
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Whats Stephens occupation on the marriage certificate?
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Neither could I but probate was there - weird
The only thing I can think of is it's the death in South Glamorgan (Date of birth unknown) the year after - but why it wasn't registered for nearly a year is beyond me
Gosh, I hadn’t thought of that, not in recent times anyway. I have a death of a baby on 6 April 1841, buried on 11 April, death not registered til 2 July. Definitely her though, even the GRO thought it was strange. She was the 2nd baby to die too, so not that they didn’t know what to do.
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Could he have died elsewhere but be registered in Cardiff? Just that the probate doesn’t say where he died, only where he was living.
Edited to say none of the others on the same page say anything other than the address either, so my memory of others is wrong.
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Strangely I can’t see his probate entry on the gov.uk site 🤔
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Been answered before, but it is on the gov.uk site, in the 1984 Calendars. Although place of death is not confirmed.
1984
TRUELOVE, Alexander Malcolm of 52 Tudor St Cardiff South Glam died 15 July 1981 Administration Winchester 25 September Not Exceeding ...
Free BMD have probably not completed transcriptions?
Mark
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Found it now thanks; I hadn’t changed the tab at the top to 1858 - 1996 but as it returned an entry for 1984 (but not Alexander) i assumed it wasn’t there 🙄
Can’t post snip to show what i mean....
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Snip now attached.... and removed cos of the size 🤣
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Just saw on another thread that deaths can't be registered till after an inquest so maybe thats why it took a year
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Just saw on another thread that deaths can't be registered till after an inquest so maybe thats why it took a year
Wow, thought you couldn’t be buried until the death was registered. Learn something new every day 😀
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Just saw on another thread that deaths can't be registered till after an inquest so maybe thats why it took a year
Wow, thought you couldn’t be buried until the death was registered. Learn something new every day 😀
you can apply for an interim death certificate and can use that to bury the person and for probate then at the inquest the coroner decides what is put on the certificate and the full death certificate is issued.
A very close member of my family died and it took 4 months to get an interim death certificate so the funeral could take place then it took 2 years for the inquest to take place and the death certificate to be issued
Suz
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Interesting, thanks Suz
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I am looking for my grandfather Alexander Malcolm Truelove born 21/8/1915-18 his army records say he was born in Cardiff but we can find no trace of him. He appeared in Birmingham just before the war and married my grandmother, his marriage certificate says father Stephen Malcolm Truelove deceased. They had children and he stayed in Birmingham until 1950 then he moved back to Cardiff where he stayed and died in 1985 losing all contact with his children.
I assume he must of had some connection to Wales so it may hold the key to his past but where do I start looking? He seems to have never been born with no birth cert. So may of been brought up in a home/ poorhouse.
I am at a complete loss where to start searching, would the Glamorgan archives be of help? I can't find him on any electoral rolls for Wales any advice greatly appreciated
Hello
pollypringle originally said her Alexander Malcolm Truelove died 1985.
I wanted various Death Certificates in the past (that were not publicly showing) after 1983 and had to apply to the Registrar of the District covering the Town where they were last known to live, as these Deaths were not on the publicly available GRO Index.
Where the Deceased Lived or Died
If pollypringle wants to work back from a last known relative and get his Death Certificate, then we should suggest the thread poster starts by making contact with the Registrar at the 'Registry Office' covering the Registration District area, in which the relative was last known to reside, or more importantly known to have died.
Comment About Inquests
A missing registration of a death in an Index, might, or might not, have anything to do with an Inquest, where a Coroner's Certificate of the Fact of Death sometimes called an ... Interim Death Certificate is issued by a Coroner and the Coroner Registers the Death later with the Registrar where the Death took place, after the Inquest has taken place at which a verdict was reached.
Registrar of B, M & D
From the information given the Cardiff Register Office of Births, Marriages and Deaths and a Search of the Death Certificates, covering the area in which death occurred, or where they last lived, as a starting point if the original poster wants to apply for a Death Certificate with a search.
Electoral Rolls & Street Directories
Regarding Electoral Rolls (those not online), a manual search without any home address for a City could take days or longer. Cardiff Library, may have Street Directories in alphabetical Surname order (but some Street Directories required payment to be included and not everyone is included in some).
However, usually someone at the Central Library for a City should be able to advise what is available and where held, including Regional Archives covering their area.
Mark
Note: If using Free BMD (before 1984) and any search provider using the GRO Registers transcribed by Free BMD, then it will depend on the completeness of the GRO Index transcriptions, by Free BMD.
A few Death Notices can be found in The Gazzette (London, Edinburgh or Belfast) if the death needed to go to a Public or other Notice.