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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: DavidJP on Sunday 01 July 18 22:20 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I have for some 20 years been trying to find the burial of my 3x gt grandfather George Hill (1821-1903), with great difficulty. However, I have now almost found his burial, but I have a slight problem & require some assistance!
Here is an earlier thread attempting to find out: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=631660.msg4794909#msg4794909
The death index record mentioned in the above linked thread, turned out (Surprise, surprise! ::)) to be him after all!
On familysearch there is a burial listed for him here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCTT-C2J showing him buried at Morpeth Parish on 28th June 1903.
Newspaper reports of his death say that 'His remains were interred at Morpeth Churchyard'.
What I am needing to know is:
Is Morpeth Parish &/or Morpeth Churchyard that of St Mary the Virgin in Morpeth? If not then where was he buried?
How do I find out if he is in which ever burial ground in Morpeth he is in (i.e. so as to locate his grave using grave refs) &/or whom do I contact if anyone to find out?
Many thanks in advance.
Kind regards
David
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St Mary the Virgin is Morpeth Parish church and the Churchyard will be that of St Mary the Virgin.
Records of burials 1583-1956 are available at Northumberland Archives Service http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/collections/
Stan
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I can check the burial register on Wednesday - see if he appears
I'm not sure whether there are any MIs for Morpeth but I'll find out
Christine
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Hi Stan & Christine,
Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated indeed.
Stan, Many thanks for clarifying that, much appreciated.
Christine, That is very kind of you & very much appreciated.
Kind regards
David
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Unless there is a headstone at St Marys Morpeth, you won't be able to find the grave. The original grave plot plan is lost, I've tried to find other burials there before and it's almost impossible.
I have the transcript of the burial register and it reads "George HILL County Asylum,Morpeth 28/06/1903 79"
Gen in NBL UK
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This may prove to be interesting.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/816d45b0-bf2f-4ec4-96fb-a0039cf4c1d6
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http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/
Hi David,
I have just noticed that according to the above website George appears to have had a death notice in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle.
If you do not already have this but would want this - I can look this up for you the next time I can visit the Newcastle local studies. I am working nightshifts at the moment but should be able to visit there at some point in the near future.
Just let me know if this is something you may want/need.
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Hi Gen List Lass, Barryd & River Tyne Lass,
Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.
Gen List Lass, many thanks for the transcription, that's definitely him as he was in the County Asylum in Morpeth according to his death cert. Thanks also for info re headstones & burial plots, much appreciated.
Barryd, many thanks for the National Archives link re records for the County Asylum in Morpeth, most interesting & much appreciated.
River Tyne Lass, that is most kind & very much appreciated, I would definitely like to have that death notice please, also I notice on the link you gave that there is also one for his widow in 1906, would it be possible to have that one to please! ;D (Isabella Hill, 17th Aug 1906, Age 79, Wallsend). Many thanks in advance.
My thanks to you all again.
Kind regards
David
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No, problem David - I will look up both notices for you the next time I can get to the Newcastle City library. I expect I will be able to get this done at some point soon. :)
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Firstly, death notice for George:
Evening Chronicle - 26 June 1903
'HILL.-At Morpeth, 25th inst., aged 80 years, George Hill, master mariner, late of Blyth. Interment at Morpeth on Sunday, at 12.30. Friends please accept this (the only) intimation.'
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Evening Chronicle - 17 August 1906
'HILL.- 17th inst., at the residence of her son-in-law, L. Soulsby, 13 High Street East, Wallsend in her 80th year, Isabella, youngest daughter of the late Thomas Parker, of Bedlington Iron Works, and late Tennyson House, Blyth. Interment at Blyth on Sunday; lift at 1 o'clock. Train from Wallsend 1.30. Blyth friends meet at Market at 3 pm. All friends please accept this intimation.'
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Isabella was actually buried at Cowpen cemetery - 19th August - grave reference 2749.
Why can't it be that easy for George? :-\
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Morpeth churchyard is a weird one! The records that were retained were mostly unimportant stuff but the really good stuff e.g. a proper grave plan, didn't survive. I've heard whispers of a gravedigger/caretakers wife burning his papers after her husband died! So who knows where it went!
Gen in NBL England
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Hi Gen and Christine,
Would Morpeth cemetery likely be where people on the registers at St Robert RC might be buried? I have quite a few ancestors whose deaths are on these. I don't expect they would have had grave stones - they were not well off. I would just be interested in finding out where they may be. Could you let me know where this cemetery is please? Is it near St Robert?
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Look what I've just found online!
http://www.parishofmorpeth.org.uk/searches.htm
Two PDF downloads, one of headstones names with sections and rows and one a churchyard plan showing sections.
Doesn't help with this George HILL, the only G Hill died in 1961. But it might help others.
Gen in NBL England
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Hi River Tyne Lass, Christine & Gen,
River Tyne Lass, many thanks for the two death notices, very much appreciated indeed!
Christine, Isabella Hill was indeed buried in Cowpen Cemetery, one of (if memory serves me correctly! ;D) three (I think!) family graves next to one another in the cemetery. My thanks for burial date & grave reference as I did not have those, much appreciated.
Gen, how frustrating is that, if indeed the papers have been burnt! Many thanks for the link, at least I now have a map of the cemetery, which is a start! ;D
Oh well! Its only taken me twenty eight years to find exactly where George Hill was buried, at least I now know for certain which cemetery he is in! One day I might actually find his grave! ;D Perhaps, I'll just have to take a walk around the cemetery to find it, that is if I can ever afford to travel up to Northumberland! Although I understand that the cemetery is quite a large one though!
My thanks to you all for all your help, its very much appreciated.
Kind regards
David
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You are welcome David.
Your experience is no doubt one of many proving that you should never give up hope on getting an answer to family history queries. ;D
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What great finds Gen!
I will be having a good look at these once I get time.
Many thanks for posting! Looks like useful and interesting resources.
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Would Morpeth cemetery likely be where people on the registers at St Robert RC might be buried? I have quite a few ancestors whose deaths are on these. I don't expect they would have had grave stones - they were not well off. I would just be interested in finding out where they may be. Could you let me know where this cemetery is please? Is it near St Robert?
I’ve been thinking about this since you posted and a lot depends upon when. Certainly until very recently I believe it was the only churchyard in Morpeth (of any denomination).
As for the location of St. Marys - coming from Newcastle on the A1 take the A197 to Morpeth. First you’ll see the County Council offices on the right and then the golf course on the left. Next to that is St. Mary’s church followed by the Sun Inn. I’m not sure if you can see the church from that side of the road as it is up a hill so look for the Sun Inn and take the narrow road just before it. I think you can park up there. Personally I go for lunch at the Inn and leave the car in their car park! The cemetery is very peaceful and a lovely place to walk around.
It's nowhere near St. Robert's which is in the centre of Morpeth.
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Thanks for this information Christine.
One of these days I will have to visit there although commitments won't allow at the moment.
Going way back my Conroy family investor's beginnings in this area seem to have been strongly rooted in Morpeth. I have visited the outside of St Robert in the past and can see that no burials took place there - grounds look too small.
Another Roots Chatter has very recently kindly checked for me regarding my Great x 3 Grandmother Mary Conroy who died in 1879 and is on the registers at St Robert. However, she is not at St Mary as I anticipated. However, she was living at Woodhorn in last census before death - do you know if there is an RC cemetery near Woodhorn?
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There are not many RC cemeteries at all that I can think of but I will ask at the archives tomorrow.
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This is very kind of you Christine. However, I have just this afternoon received some good news from another RootsChatter!
Apparently, my Great x 3 Grandmother Mary Conroy is buried at St Mary. I have been supplied with the date too.
I do thank you for having offered to help by asking about this. RootsChatters are so kind and I now know when and where Mary is buried. Her son Edward and his wife Mary are also there too apparently!
Now, I can update my records with this new information! :D
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However, I have just this afternoon received some good news from another RootsChatter!
I know - I was there ;D
But it's good to have 'closure' on ancestors and not always easy to do. I have some which I swear are still walking this earth age 250 :-\
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Christine and River Tyne Lass
You know they MUST be buried somewhere, unless they fell off a ship or wandered off to very remote places. You THINK you'll find baptisms and marriages but not always!!!!
And I've learnt something from this quest. I was looking for a RC burial in a rural town where there was no RC burial ground and long before the local civil cemetery was established. Up till 1880, RC's were buried in the local C of E churchyard by the C of E minister. After the Burial Laws Amendment Act of 1880, you could have your own RC priest or non-Conformist minister take the ceremony. This might not be news for most of Rootschatters but it was for me, as I've hardly ever had to do RC genealogy for my family.
Keeps "the leetle grey cells" active anyway.
Gen in NBL England
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Thank you Gen and Christine.
We learn something new on here every day it seems.
I think it is true that these genealogy quests help keep the little grey cells active! Although, I had a bit of a blip yesterday in forgetting that you have already kindly sent me a link for the St Mary, burials. ::)
This is the first time I have come across Roman Catholic ancestors buried in Anglican ground. It is great to know where they are buried even though they don't have gravestones. :D