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Title: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: JeannieR on Monday 02 July 18 16:11 BST (UK)
Hello,

Can anyone help with this burial please.

Louis passed away 30/05/1938 at 187,Bury Road ,Salford.
I Would expect him to be interred at a Jewish Cemetery.

I am hoping to find his fathers name,on his gravestone

Many Thanks

JeannieR
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 02 July 18 16:29 BST (UK)
Hello,

Can anyone help with this burial please.

Louis passed away 30/05/1938 at 187,Bury Road ,Salford.
I Would expect him to be interred at a Jewish Cemetery.

I am hoping to find his fathers name,on his gravestone

Many Thanks

JeannieR
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Why would you expect to find his father's name on his headstone,unless he was buried in the same grave?
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 July 18 16:30 BST (UK)
If you Google “Jewish cemeteries in Salford” it gives info including contact numbers.  You could try ringing those listed to see if they can find a burial
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 July 18 16:43 BST (UK)
He was born 1863 according to his death reg.  There is a 1901 entry matching that birthyear but he was single.

Did Louis marry in England?
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: JeannieR on Monday 02 July 18 17:49 BST (UK)
Thank you.

Carol8353

Usually,parents names are inscribed on the deceased's headstone in Hebrew.

CarolW

Louis was born in Mariampol, Russia c1863. in 1891 / 1901 and 1911 he is in Leeds with his wife and family. After he was widowed in 1921, he moved to be with his eldest daughter,in Manchester.

i think that I am going to have to contact the cemeteries, as you suggest.

Thanks again

JeannieR
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: Radcliff on Monday 02 July 18 20:56 BST (UK)
there is no burial for him in Southern,Blackley or Philips,there are quite a few Bernsteins buried in there
in the Jewish sections,
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 02 July 18 21:24 BST (UK)
Total long shot but I noticed his brother Nathan is living with him in 1891.  Do you know if Nathan married in England as his marriage cert would at least show a fathers name
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 03 July 18 07:24 BST (UK)
So he s in Blackley Jewish cemetery sadly no photo on Find a Grave
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 03 July 18 08:44 BST (UK)
So he s in Blackley Jewish cemetery sadly no photo on Find a Grave

That burial is 1939 and this Louis Bernstein died 1938. :-\

Could he be buried back in Leeds?
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 03 July 18 10:53 BST (UK)
When did his wife die and where is she buried?
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 03 July 18 12:07 BST (UK)
A possible name for father on this thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796139.msg6529274#msg6529274

With reference to the mention of Louis and Betsy in Birkenhead, that man looks to have died in 1941.
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 03 July 18 12:25 BST (UK)
interesting
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 03 July 18 12:33 BST (UK)
I see his wife Betsy is buried In New Farnley
Betsy
Beloved wife of Louis
20th May 1921 aged 53
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: Radcliff on Tuesday 03 July 18 12:50 BST (UK)
There is a Louis Bernstein buried Endfield London,24th January 1938
the record doesnt give an age
and a little to early in the year for yours
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: JeannieR on Wednesday 04 July 18 13:50 BST (UK)
Once Again,Thank you.

Radcliff.

Yes, that is Betsey, Louis wife. Like everyone else in the family,she was buried at New Farnley Jewish Cemetery in Leeds. Louis died, in May, 1938. at Salford, whilst staying with his daughter Leah. He is definitely not buried in Leeds.

Heywood

The Louis and Betsey Bernstein, living in Birkenhead, are a different couple.

CaroleW

Yes, I have now established that I have found the correct Nathan Bernstein, from the 1891 census . There have been awful age discrepancies for him,  and I cannot find him in 1901,but I have his marriage in 1904, and I think I will send for the marriage certificate. The name I was given, in Hebrew for his father was Zvi Hirsh, this came from Nathan's headstone. I really wanted to a) confirm this , and b) make sure he was Louis's brother, hence wanting to find Louis's grave.

I want to really get one generation back with the Jewish families.It is proving very difficult . All came from Russia, without parents,it would seem in the 1880's,possibly soon after their marriages in the Old Country, to start a new life. some were not here in 1901/1911, so until the next census comes out ! 1939 register has been a wonderful thing......

I'll keep plodding.

Thanks Again
JeannieR
Title: Re: Burial of Louis Bernstein / May 1938 / Salford
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 04 July 18 16:45 BST (UK)
Hi JeannieR,

Re Birkenhead. It must be your other thread which mentions that couple -same names but I was pointing out that it wasn’t your family.
I wasn’t perhaps very clear.
Hopefully, Nathan’s marriage certificate helps to confirm father’s name.

Heywood