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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: RayMilBax on Wednesday 04 July 18 21:36 BST (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if anyone can assist please
I'm trying to trace back the family of Maurice Finnegan who was from Dublin.
I've been told that they had children of which I have found Carmel (1929), Veronica (1932), George Joseph (1935), Philomena T (1936) and Aida A (1937)
I've also been told they had others that I haven't found Maurice, Dennis and Lillian (who died young)
I've managed to find his marriage to Mary Lunney in 1922 in Dublin and fully expected to find Maurice on the 1911 census but I'm only bringing up from my searches just
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His marriage gives his father as Martin a butcher
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09195/5325959.pdf
Maurice is full age, address at time of marriage 40 Waterford St.
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A possibility?
Marriage of Martin Finegan and Maria Murphy:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10516/5830468.pdf
Perhaps the birth of Maurice?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02173/1823034.pdf
Maurice in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Tyrone_Street__Upper/29709/
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I wonder if this was Martin in 1911, despite being recorded as single?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchants_Quay__part_of_/Ardee_Row/76363/
The couple he was staying with were William Moore and Sarah Finegan who got married in 1905, note that Sarah's father was called James and the address was Upper Tyrone Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10153/5694299.pdf
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Looks like James died 1895, informant not a family member, pity
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05923/4682036.pdf
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Maria (Murphy) Finegan in 1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Upper_Tyrone_Street/1330090/
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Great finds all of you :) :)
I’m sure this will be the right person - the dreaded misspelling of Finnegan put down as Finegan!
Not like me that one, must be tired tonight.
Thank you all for your help I’ll have a good review tomorrow and hopefully confirmed updates from the family on the findings
Thanks
Phil
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... The couple he was staying with were William Moore and Sarah Finegan who got married in 1905, note that Sarah's father was called James and the address was Upper Tyrone Street:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10153/5694299.pdf
Sarah's birth? (writing is poor but can definitely make out father James, a locksmith):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02817/2033583.pdf
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Those Murphy children are proving difficult to find but there is a Maurice to Denis (plumber)and Elizabeth Cox, 1877, possible
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02995/2097674.pdf
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The 'IrishGenealogy' website has the 1895 church marriage record for Martin Finegan and Maria Murphy - it identifies both parents for bride and groom:
- James Finegan & Mary Brennan;
- Denis Murphy and Elizabeth Care?
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0378
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The 'IrishGenealogy' website has the 1895 church marriage record for Martin Finegan and Maria Murphy - it identifies both parents for bride and groom:
- James Finegan & Mary Brennan;
- Denis Murphy and Elizabeth Care?
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0378
Same website has a transcript for a marriage of James Finegan and Mary Brannan of 33 South King Street in St. Andrews RC Church on 21 February 1860, fathers given as John Finegan and Pat Brannan, witnessed by Michael Gormley and Mary Byrne. Just a maybe.
Added:
Here it is in the NLI collection, near bottom, both mothers called Mary, Finegan parents from Co. Meath, Brannan parents from Kilkenny:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633489#page/57/mode/1up
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Birth of Maurice Murphy (Maria's brother in the previously posted 1901 census return), the mother's name still looks something like like 'Care':
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02995/2097674.pdf
Added: Maria Murphy's brother Denis was born in 1887, mother's surname still looks something like 'Care'?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02538/1939990.pdf
Added: Or is it 'Cave'? Here is the 1871 marriage of Denis and Eliza:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11366/8172857.pdf
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Yes looking at the Maurice birth again I think it is Cave not Cox. My bad I didn't look carefully enough.
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There is a baptism in Cork of an Elizabeth Cave to George and Eliza Rahilly 1846
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mba/
Bit older than the census.
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Speculative punt on a baptism for Elizabeth Cave, 16 December 1846, top of right page, parents George Cave and Eliza Rahilly (St. Peter and Paul's Cork):
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=cork%20%26%20ross.st.%20peter%20%26%20paul%27s%2C%20cork.p4786.00286
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Thanks so much Gaffy and Sinann!
I can't believe how much you've managed to find, really really pleased
I thought i was good but Irish records i do seem to struggle with
It's mainly the Finnegan's that I am interested in but those other finds with the Murphy's are great too.
Expecting some updates from the Grandson of Maurice Finnegan today hopefully and he may be able to confirm what looks like Maurice Finnegan's death I've managed to find in 1953 in Dublin which matches with a birth of around 1896 that also matches your finds :) ;D
Thanks again
Phil
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Death of Ethel Finnegan 1933 10 Suir Rd
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04853/4310043.pdf
James 1931 same
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04890/4324628.pdf
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1QC-73F
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Maurice appears to be buried on his own in Mt Jerome
see plot 20127
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/1headstones/mt-jerome135.txt
there may be others not listed on headstone or buried elsewhere in that graveyard you can contact them by email
http://www.mountjerome.ie/?content=genealogy-enquiries
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Family search shows 7 births in Dublin South Finnegan/Lunney/Lunny
Two seem to clash
Carmel July/Sep 1931
James April/June 1931
note the death's for Ethel and James of Suir Rd describe father Maurice as a labourer
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I’ve just heard from the Grandson of Maurice and yeah he remembers that his dad was about 17 when Maurice died and with George J Finnegan being born in 1934 the death of Maurice in 1953 give or take a year is right.
Thanks for all the extra info posted in the last hour also Dathai :) :)
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... Sarah's birth? (writing is poor but can definitely make out father James, a locksmith):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02817/2033583.pdf
The address given for James Finegan and Mary Brannan on their daughter Sarah's birth registration in August 1881 (above) was 67 Upper Dominick Street.
Some months later, the Irish Times of Wenesday 12 April 1882 reported the killing of a child named Christina Finigan, hit and run over by a horse and car: 'James Finigan, of 67 Upper Dominick Street, stated that on Monday afternoon, between 3 and 4 o'clock, he was eating his dinner when he heard screams out in the street and almost immediately after a woman carried in the body of the deceased child, who was aged 3 1/2 years. The child was alive at the time, but senseless, and died about 5 o'clock in the evening in the Mater Misericordiae Hospital... Mary Finigan, the mother of the deceased, stated that the child died in the most fearful agony. She had seven other children.'
In the death registration, Christina was described as a plumbers child:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06403/4838896.pdf
Christina Finegan was baptised in St. Michan's Dublin on 23 December 1878 (born on 19th), parents given as James Finegan and Mary Brannen of 4 Graham's Row (entry no. 1169):
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1865-1888_ba_0448
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Amazing find Gaffy!
Thank you again for this information :)
Phil
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1856 Slaters Directory Cork City
George Cave, 46 Paul St,boot and shoemaker
http://corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/potpourri/corkancestors.com/1856Corkslater1.htm
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'... Mary Finigan, the mother of the deceased, stated that the child died in the most fearful agony. She had seven other children.'
... Christina Finegan was baptised in St. Michan's Dublin on 23 December 1878 (born on 19th), parents given as James Finegan and Mary Brannen of 4 Graham's Row (entry no. 1169):
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1865-1888_ba_0448
The 'IrishGenealogy' Church Records section has a number of Dublin baptisms (including addresses) listed for a James Finegan and Mary Brennan, they might be Christina's siblings, eg. Catherine bap. 1860, Maria bap. 1863, John Joseph bap. 1867, John Christopher bap. 1868, Patrick Joseph bap. 1870, and Sarah Anna bap. 1872 (maybe died early, hence Sarah Anne born in 1881 as previously posted?).
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This looks more like the Cave baptisms with Elizabeth born 1856 a twin transcribed as Care
others as Keane,Caves,Caver and Carr to George and Ellen Rahilly
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mbf/
William
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_No__7_Urban__West_Ward/Bachelors_Quay/1110452/
marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10887/5976347.pdf
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Going back to the marriage of Maurice in 1922 it tells me that the marriage took place at St Kevin’s Church in what appears to state district 3 of Dublin.
I’ve since had a look on google and it’s indicating 2 St Kevin’s Churches.
Which one would it be?
The one on Bloomfield Avenue or Harrington Street?
Thanks
Phil
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Harrington St would have been the bride's parish
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02140/1812811.pdf
baptism in Harrington St
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mbj/
fathers death ? 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05429/4517758.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Charlemont_Avenue/1305740/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/O_Neill_s_Buildings/89171/
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Thanks Dathai for confirming :) really appreciated
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Elizabeth Lunney widow nee Larkin remarried in 1912 to William Thompson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09914/5603430.pdf
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Elizabeth Larkin born at Tay Lodge 1871 to William and Anna Conway
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03282/2202872.pdf
parents marriage Arklow ,Oct 1865
number 51 here
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633298#page/45/mode/1up
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Thanks again Dathai - great finds :D
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Evening Herald Obituary Maurice Finnegan October 1953
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Hi my name is Debbie carr am looking for a person by the name Paddychina, who is looking for my Great Grandfarter Maurice Finnegan,any help with this would be greatful. Thanks in advance
DEBBIE CARR
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Hi Debbie,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I am sorry but I am struggling to find a member with this username or a topic about Maurice Finnegan ??? If you can find the topic yourself you just need to scroll down to the bottom where you will find the reply button and that will notify the member of your reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Perhaps chinapaddy - this thread?
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Thank you maddys52 for locating the topic, I have now merged your reply to the topic so they will be notified.
Regards
Sarah :)