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Title: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Thursday 05 July 18 13:16 BST (UK)
The above were the son and daughter of Francis Eugene Senior Williams 1867-1912 and Emily Louisa nee Tibball 1864-1946; they were married c 1885-can't find marriage record?
At 1910,  US Census, Emily said that she'd had 9 children and 6 were  living; I've found 7; George was on 1905 census but Louise was not but I can't find death records for them?
Cr
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: shellyesq on Thursday 05 July 18 14:36 BST (UK)
Could this be George's death record from 1946?  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W28-WZL

This looks like the birth record for the same guy.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WQ1-VPB

George's WWI draft registration - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXY8-VH4

This looks like George in the 1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQR8-5WG  Note that he was asked the supplemental questions at the bottom.

From the draft registration card & 1940 census supplemental questions, it looks like he was in the Navy for 4 years.
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: shellyesq on Thursday 05 July 18 14:50 BST (UK)
George's obituary says he was survived by wife, 2 sons, his mother, 3 brothers, one sister, and 3 grandchildren.  https://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/52883560/?terms=george%2Bwilliams
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 05 July 18 15:43 BST (UK)
1910 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M537-775

I think the transcriber couldn't make out the last name in the 1900 census and just guessed. Louise E. is listed as having 7 children, 5 still alive.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSFX-VPT
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 05 July 18 15:58 BST (UK)
they were married c 1885-can't find marriage record?


They were married 21 Sept. 1885

Last Name    Given Name    Month/Day/Year    CtfNum    County
Williams           Frank             Sep 21 1885       2873        Kings

Last Name    Given Name    Month/Day/Year    CtfNum    County
Fibball         E Louisa             Sep 21 1885      2873      Kings

http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/records-search/grooms.php
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Friday 06 July 18 10:15 BST (UK)
Thank you very much RJ and shellyesq that info answers some questions and raises more. I believe from George's obit that his brother Edward D survived him beyond 1946; he was b 13 Aug 1901-is there any info on him?  The sister who survived was Adelaide who passed away in 2000.
So presumably Louisa passed away before 1946?
Cr
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 10:44 BST (UK)


Could this be Louise Williams - 23 January 1947

Burial Evergreen Cemetery - Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115101268

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 11:01 BST (UK)
Harry H Williams - 20 January 1897 (corrected John) passed away 10 October 1918 - Pneumonia Lobar
Address at the time was 4905 3 rd Ave Brooklyn. Inducted Brooklyn 3 September 1918

Source - New York, Abstracts of World War I Military Service, 1917-1919 for Harry Williams

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Friday 06 July 18 11:16 BST (UK)
Do you think Harry's dob is wrong, only on the censuses his birth is 1897 not 1887? Also Louise could be a likely candidate but I'd thought that she passed before 1905?
Cr
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 11:26 BST (UK)
1897 is correct - my typo  :-\

There is a Patricia Grace Ulrich also buried at Evergreen Cemetery - April 1933 -  that would be the daughter of Adelaide and Otto showing on the 1930 census -

E 40 th Street Brooklyn, Kings, New York - 1930

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4V8-4BC

FIND A GRAVE

   
The Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/142933224

Sandra





Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 11:32 BST (UK)
Do you think Harry's dob is wrong, only on the censuses his birth is 1897 not 1887? Also Louise could be a likely candidate but I'd thought that she passed before 1905?
Cr

1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M537-775

1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJRK-2FM

1930 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4V8-4BZ

1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQRB-GC4

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Robert Ulrich - son of Adelaide and Otto Ulrich - born 15 June 1934 passed away 4 July 2002
Last Residence 34691 Holiday, Pasco, Florida.
At the time of his passing Mr Ulrich was a resident of Pasco County, Florida.

FIND A GRAVE

15 June 1934 - 4 July 2002

Burial -     Meadowlawn Memorial Gardens New Port Richey, Pasco County, Florida.
PLOT   Devotion

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/54091227

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 11:46 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Adelaide Ulrich -

   
Meadowlawn Memorial Gardens New Port Richey, Pasco County, Florida.
PLOT   Garden of Valor and COM II Bank 9 73 K

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/41034610/adelaide-s.-ulrich

husband - Otto Charles Ulrich - 19 January 1900 - 26 July 1978

Meadowlawn Memorial Gardens New Port Richey, Pasco County, Florida.
Plot Com II Bank 9 72 K

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/77193890/otto-charles-ulrich

Sandra

Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 12:03 BST (UK)
U.S., Applications for Seaman's Protection Certificates - Cert - 29622 -  1916-1940 (18 December 1919) for Walter Thos Williams - 2 January 1895 - lives at 1827 Nostrand Avenue Brooklyn.
Ord Naval discharge - 2805 NRF - ships cook from Naval prison Navy Yard Portsmouth New Hampshire.
Physical marks - Tatoo - 1 sailor and tombstone.  Scars - two on l face
Last vessel was the Manchuria - Next vessel - SS West Caruth.
Shows photograph of him.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mbi/

1920 census Nostrand Avenue

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJRK-2FM

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 12:21 BST (UK)
1940 census - Milford, Pike, Pennsylvania.

Walter T Williams   45 Inferred Residence in 1935 - Brooklyn, New York
Anna Mary Williams   23
Son "T B"Williams   5
Daughter "L G" Williams   3
son "H A"Williams   1


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ6W-7Y3


Walter T Williams - 2 January 1894 - 23 January 1952 - Certificate Number 1761

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: shellyesq on Friday 06 July 18 13:49 BST (UK)
This looks like the death of the younger Louise in 1900, a few months after the census -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WF7-M2Z



Could this be Louise Williams - 23 January 1947

Burial Evergreen Cemetery - Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/115101268

Sandra

The date of death isn't exactly the same (maybe the cemetery's date was the burial date?), but this may be the death of that Louise - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W26-FMB - who looks like she was not the one we're looking for.
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 06 July 18 14:12 BST (UK)
Louise E (the mother)

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W2Z-SFV

Obit: https://www.newspapers.com/image/53660443/?terms=%22+stevens+louise%22

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/58036534
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 06 July 18 14:24 BST (UK)
Last Name-WILLIAMS
First Name- LOUISE
Burial Date-1900-08-28
Lot-26599
Section-203
Grave:   1

=====

Last Name-STEVENS
First Name-LOUISE EMILY
Burial Date-1946-05-03
Lot-26599
Section-203
Grave:   3

https://www.green-wood.com/burial_search/
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 06 July 18 15:50 BST (UK)
I believe from George's obit that his brother Edward D survived him beyond 1946; he was b 13 Aug 1901-is there any info on him? 

According to Walter's obit in 1952, his brothers Frank & Edward were still alive as well as sister Adelaide.

https://www.newspapers.com/image/52905662/?terms=%22williams+Walter%22

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Are you sure about the DOB (13 Aug 1901) for Edward? There is an Edward Williams with that DOB born in Brooklyn, but with different parents?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WHW-YPD
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 16:12 BST (UK)
Have we covered Frank Williams  - haven't checked. Same grave ref as reply 17 gave

FIND A GRAVE

Green-Wood Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Plot   Lot 26599, Section 203

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57233021/frank-williams

source - https://www.green-wood.com/burial_results/index.php?action=R&spage=10

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 16:37 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE shows...................

Phoebe Ann Bogart Williams - passed February 1913 - (Listed as mother of Frank Williams, Charles Williams and  Anna Louisa Williams Holman

Phoebe - burial - Green-Wood Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Plot Lot 17263, Section 15

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/57234637/phoebe-ann-williams

Charles Williams - 8 January 1853 - 7 March 1914  Richmond County (Staten Island), New York.

Burial - Moravian Cemetery New Dorp, Richmond County (Staten Island), New York.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174082816/charles-williams

Anna Louisa Williams Holman -    1857 New Jersey passed away 31 May 1929 (aged 71–72 years)
Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Mother of Adrian Stivers Holman and William Henry Stivers Holman

burial - Green-Wood Cemetery
Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York, USA Plot   Lot 27373 Section 129

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174008079/anna-louisa-holman

second husband Emmanuel Syvers - 1854 - 5 March 1935 Kings County brooklyn.

Green-Wood Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Plot   Lot 25529 Section 146

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174007910

son Adrian Styvers Holman 30 January 1878 - April 1956


Green-Wood Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Plot   Lot 27373 Section 129

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174008808/adrian-stivers-holman

son William Henry Styvers Holman 24 june 1880 Brooklyn - 25 November 1938 Richmond County (Staten Island), New York.


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174024336/william-henry_stivers-holman

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 16:45 BST (UK)
This looks like Anna nee Williams Styvers - 1880 census Brooklyn Kings New York.
Gideon V Styvers Jr and Anna married 23 April 1875 Kings New York.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24Z2-DP2

Gideon V. Styvers 62. Carpenter.
Elisabeth Styvers 52. Wife   
Gideon V. Styvers 33. Son.    
Isaac Styvers   3 Grandson.
Adeline T. Styvers 27. Daughter.
John W. Styvers   24. Son.
Anna Styvers 22 Daughter-in-law.   
Adrian Styvers   2 Grandson.
Margaret Styvers 27. Daughter-in-law.   
Elisabeth Styvers 4. grand-daughter.   
Isaac Styvers 3. Grandson.   
Joseph Styvers   7 months. Grandson.
Maggie Styvers 1. Grand-daughter.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZD7-69N

Shows as a Holman on 1892 census

FIND A GRAVE

Shows a Gidgeon Vanwinkle Styvers - 1889 -

burial -     Green-Wood Cemetery Brooklyn, Kings County (Brooklyn), New York.
Plot   Lot 5499, Section 2

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/58038552

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 16:58 BST (UK)
If Phoebe reverted to maiden name  ???

Brooklyn New York City Directory 1891 - shows a Phoebe A Bogart wid  h 563 Warren   ???

Sandra
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Brother Charles S Williams 1880 census 18 St Brooklyn Kings New York.
Charles married Virginia Elizabeth Brower - 30 June 1870 - Manhattan New York.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MF-NZ6

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MF-NZ8

Charls S. Williams 28 born NY. Father born Scotland and Mother NY. R R Emp.
Virginia Williams 28 born Virginia   
Elisa I. Williams   7 born NY
Charles Williams 5 born NY   
Chalott Williams 1 born NY

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ82-W5M

Sandra

Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 06 July 18 17:37 BST (UK)
Phoebe died 10 Feb. 1913


Last Name-Williams   
Given Name -Phoebe A   
Age -83 y   
Date -Feb 10   
Year -1913   
CertNbr -4665   
Town/County -Manhattan

Obit: 2nd column-1/2 way down

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mbm/
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 06 July 18 17:38 BST (UK)
There is an 1860 census Jersey City Ward 4, Hudson, New Jersey but no Frank Williams with Charles, Phoebe, Ann Louise and George.  ???

Charles S Williams   38 born Scotland
Phebe Ann Williams   32 born NY
Charles Williams 8 born NY
George Williams   4 born NY
Ann Luisa Williams 2 born NY
Mary Ann Cory   13 born NY

Sandra


Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Friday 06 July 18 17:47 BST (UK)
I'm aware of the Ulrich family and their details. Edward D's dob could be wrong as on censuses his b is 1902 -there are 2 birth records, one for 13 Aug 1901 NY and the other for 4 Sep 1903 Kings, but no parents given?
Do we know when Emma Louise married Stevens?
Is there a marriage record for Walter T to Anna Mary?
Thank you all for your help.
Cr
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 06 July 18 18:34 BST (UK)

Is there a marriage record for Walter T to Anna Mary?


Walter & Anna 1940

1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ6W-7Y3

Anna with parents 1930.

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH4P-HTK


Pike County Dispatch
Milford, Pennsylvania
Thursday, March 12, 1936 - Page 1

HYMENEAL
Williams--- Stevens

"Walter L. Williams and Anna M. Stevens of Milford were married March 4 at Milford by Justice Evart M. Wolfe."
Title: Re: George and Louisa Williams b 1891 & 1898 Brooklyn.
Post by: Cockneyrebel on Saturday 07 July 18 07:36 BST (UK)
Thank you RJ that seems to fit the bill.
Cr