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Title: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Thursday 05 July 18 17:15 BST (UK)
I wonder if anyone can help with the occupation of John Marsh on this 1861 Census image? I think I can make out all the letters, but can't find anything to indicate what job is described. If you would like to see more of the page, the reference is RG9/3520 f79 p2 and the abode is Doncaster,

Steve
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Romilly on Thursday 05 July 18 17:20 BST (UK)

Looks like 'Hanger' to me? Paper hanger?

Romilly.
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 17:34 BST (UK)
I see 'Hanger' too although strange there's no indication to 'Paper' or anything else for that matter  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 17:38 BST (UK)
Does John have an occupation (which ties in) on later census', marriage, birth/marriage of children or death?

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 05 July 18 17:55 BST (UK)
I don't see that first letter as an H.

It looks very much like the S of Scholar of others on the same page.

But can't work out what it could say  ::)
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 18:04 BST (UK)
Carol,

Sorry but I haven't seen the original with others to comment.

OB or Carol?...

Is it possible to post more of the doc. for letter comparison please?

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: 3sillydogs on Thursday 05 July 18 18:04 BST (UK)
I'm with Carol I see it starting with an S looks like the S in Son.

But can't seem to find an occupation that would make any sense. ::)

 
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 05 July 18 18:09 BST (UK)
Looks like Sear ger --- but that doesn't make sense though. Could almost be 2 separate words with the little gap after the 'r'.
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 18:12 BST (UK)
Thanks 3SD,

May be 'Searger/Serger' (known as overlocking), to do with sewing material together?

I don't know when sewing machines were made although admit to being a trained Sewing Machinist to trade.

Annie

Crossed posts Pennines but looks as though we may be on the trail?  ;)
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 05 July 18 18:15 BST (UK)
How about this?
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 05 July 18 18:17 BST (UK)
Looking at pages before and after brings up a lot of Railway linked jobs.

And one person is a Servant......but it's not that is it  8)
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 18:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Carol,

Does look to begin with 'S' & for now I go with my last post 'Searger/Serger' regarding sewing unless anything else pops up?

Maybe he sewed Mail Bags/Sacks?

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 05 July 18 18:36 BST (UK)
Rosinish,

Yes - before I sent my post I googled 'Searger' - and the results came up as 'Serger' - to do with overlocking on/in the sewing or sewing machine industry.
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: 3sillydogs on Thursday 05 July 18 18:37 BST (UK)

I also thought Searger, but couldn't find it listed on the list of old occupations that I have.
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 18:46 BST (UK)
So far, with the help of 'Mr Go ogle', the serger/searger/overlocker came later than 1861 i.e. it's now debatable?

However, the source may have it wrong as a lot of 'true' info. over the yrs has been removed from the internet for whatever reason!

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 05 July 18 19:12 BST (UK)
A searce, with dialect variant searge or serge, was a kind of sieve, and there's also a verb meaning 'to sieve'. I believe there were corn merchants and maltings in Doncaster, so might it be something to do with that?

See Wright's Dialect Dictionary at https://archive.org/stream/cu31924088038421#page/n321/mode/2up
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: 3sillydogs on Thursday 05 July 18 19:20 BST (UK)

Interesting Arthurk may be worth considering.... ;)
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 05 July 18 19:25 BST (UK)
What was his occupation on subsequent census records, marriage etc please?
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 05 July 18 19:32 BST (UK)
Pennines,

See Reply #3

Don't know if OP has been online since that post?

Hopefully the reply will help as Arthurk's post looks good to me too?

What we go through to work things out as we all have different ideas to share which can help!

Annie
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Old Bristolian on Thursday 05 July 18 19:53 BST (UK)
Wow, I only went to have my evening meal and then water the garden and there are three pages - thank you all.
I see it as Searger, or possibly Scarger (the enumerator's "c" are very similar to his "e"). I thought of Serger as in the material Serge, but I've never come across it as an occupation. I think Arthurk may well be right though - if it's a dialect word is it likely to be used as an occupation? And is it a Yorkshire dialect word?
I can't find this individual on later Censuses - his real name is Joseph and he is with his parents in Somerset in 1851. John, I assume, is a transcription mistake - perhaps the enumerator used abbreviations (Jno/Jos) and confused them in writing out the fair copy,

Steve
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 05 July 18 20:15 BST (UK)
Rosinish -- yes I did think I had seen the occupation on other censuses/ marriage etc asked before -- but as OB has just explained - he's just come back so hadn't replied. I just thought I would nag and ask again!

I do know the Doncaster/Barnsley areas do have very broad accents (and I do love accents) - certainly a chap from Doncaster we once met on holiday (and no it wasn't as long ago as 1861) -- used to come out with words I had never heard of -- maybe it was a mistaken accent by the enumerator, or local word used in that area.

Arthurk's response does look good though.
Title: Re: Can you read this occupation?
Post by: arthurk on Thursday 05 July 18 20:15 BST (UK)
The link I gave shows all the variants and where they are found. It's quite a widespread word - 'searce' in Yorkshire, but the places mentioned for 'se(a)rge' were Devon and Cornwall. Interesting?