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I have a samuel Harris (1816-1845), born north Oakley Hampshire, who married a MaryAnn Grit In Stratfield saye , when on Ancestry i have found his father James Harris (1776-1872), born Hartley Witney but other people on ancestry seem to have a different birth date and place for his father (1790-1872), James married a pheobe Early born 1791, but there is also 2 different death dates for her, if 1851 was right then i can find James in new forest 1961 censors as a widow, can anyone help with the right dates , as she also has a death date of 1870 thankyou
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A number of things
When did he marry Mary Ann Grit - have you checked freebmd for the marriage or was it pre-1837?
If married after 1.7.1837 - does the marriage cert confirm his fathers name as James?
If James was born 1776 - he would have been 42 when Samuel was born. If he was born 1790 - then he was 26
Have you checked Family Search for a baptism to confirm his mothers name?
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What other people have ( I am assuming you mean trees) really doesn't matter, most trees are just copied information from each other they are not researched nor proved, most of those trees are tree of names, dates, places, not researched family history.
So you need to find real records, starting with the death registration index purchasing the death cert and PR burial record, going back to find the census, to the marriage PR/civil records, then the birth registration and /or baptism record and gleaning all the relevant information from those real records and cross referencing to make sure you are not just searching a name as more than one person can ( and do) use the same names and in the same areas, as that is the ONLY way you will know.
My advice would be make sure you are sure and have each real record of one persons life events before you try to go back further as it is not a race but a long term project to find YOUR ancestry, so you want YOUR ancestors in that tree not 'someone who fits' The other advice is everything is not online.
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A number of things
When did he marry Mary Ann Grit - have you checked freebmd for the marriage or was it pre-1837?
If married after 1.7.1837 - does the marriage cert confirm his fathers name as James?
If James was born 1776 - he would have been 42 when Samuel was born. If he was born 1790 - then he was 26
Have you checked Family Search for a baptism to confirm his mothers name?
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There are 15 Samuel Harris deaths on freebmd in 1845 - which one is yours? None in Hampshire
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He married Maryanne Gritt in 1835 i think she was 16, he died young so she remarried a Joseph Rawlings in 1848, thank you for the advice, i think i have copied a couple off other peoples by trying to quick and gone wrong
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He died in Chertsey surrey Walton on Thames way
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Looking at and doing 30 seconds of searching of Samuel Harris and you say North Oakley which is a hamlet in the parish of Hannington, so the most likely place for a baptism is there... this is from the BTs
Name Samuel Harris
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 27 Oct 1816
Event Place Hannington, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender Male
Father's Name James Harris
Mother's Name Phoebe Harris
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Thank you its his dad James that i am stuck on for birth dates and his wife pheobe for death date , i have a james Harris as a widow in dibden New forest and am wondering if his dad and pheobe had died in the earlier date
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i have a james Harris as a widow in dibden New forest and am wondering if his dad and pheobe had died in the earlier date
Is this the 1861 entry you refer to in your opening post? A bit confusing when you refer to "his dad and Phoebe"
i have found his father James Harris (1776-1872), born Hartley Witney
Where? I can't see an 1851 or 1861 entry with that birthplace. There is an 1851 entry in Dibden born 1775 Wiltshire
What action have you taken to check out the different death dates? Have you found James & Phoebe together in 1851 as you don't give the quarter of the 1851 death reg to enable us to know whether she was still alive at the time of the census.
If still alive - what registration district were they living in as this could narrow down any search for her death
What birth years are given for both James and Phoebe on the 1851 entry
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They are all in Hanworth, Middlesex in 1841, gypsies living in tents.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQV2-38T
Have you found marriages for Samuel's siblings to see where James and Phoebe may have gone after 1841?
Debra :)
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The last i found James and Phoebe Harris was in 1841 living in tents handworth middlesex , Samuel was there with wife Maryanne and kids , i cannot find James and phoebe in 1851 , samuel then died in 1845, so Maryanne came back this way and went to Odiham, just a james in the New forest in 1861 if the same one
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Thank you i will have to start going through siblings again, and yes that was them in the tents
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I think the Hartley witney one is the James Harris 1776 , its just on Ancestry they have the other date , i will go back on tomorrow and try and find a death for phoebe before the 1861 censors, just so i know if the widow in new forest is the James im searching
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I see that some of those family trees have Phoebe dying in 1870 in Biggleswade. I think they have just pulled that out of a hat. That Phoebe is likely to be the woman who lived in Biggleswade with her husband John and children on previous censuses.
Debra :)
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The James in Dibden in1851 is your man I firmly believe - he is shown as a widower (so Phoebe already dead by then). He is shown bc.1775 South Newton, Wiltshire plus his son John - also a widower - is shown bc.1824 Frail, Hampshire but should read 'Froyle' according to his baptism.
I believe that Phoebe Harris died 1849 Chertsey age shown on gro as 54 (same place as son Samuel) although age slightly off. I also think that James Harris is the 80 year old who died Dec.1854 New Forest (regn district for Dibden).
Annette
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Thank you so much Annette, i really appreciate your help x
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Thank you everyone for your help