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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: kjmck on Wednesday 11 July 18 11:08 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I am struggling to find the birth record for the above Michael Hendry. He married Mary Curran on April 30th 1909 in Broxburn, Scotland. On the marriage record he is listed as being 23 years old, and his parents were Michael Hendry & Mary Ann Tower (both living at the time of the marriage). On the 1911 census Michael is listed as 25 years old and being born in Ireland. I believe the Hendry family (sometimes transcribed as Henry) came from Co. Derry.
Can anyone help me find Michael Jr's. birth record or even the marriage for his parents Michael & Mary Ann?
Thank you!!
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Here's Michael's birth registration-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02629/1969964.pdf
This could be him in the same area in 1901 as a servant-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Rocktown/Rocktown/1542992
This is likely the rest of the family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Rocktown/Rocktown/1543020
Some of the family still there in 1911- parents married 30 years, 7 children/6 living-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Rocktown/Rocktown/609261
Possibly father Michael (not granted until 4 May 1931)- Henery Michael of Rocktown county Londonderry farmer died 27 May 1926 Administration Londonderry 4 May to Mary Ann Henery the widow. Effects £3.
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Thank you aghadowey so much. Unfortunately the link you sent me to his birth registration showed up nothing on the page. I had used that website to try and find it but came up with nothing ???
I see in 1901 Mary Ann Hendry (Tower) was listed as being from England, but in 1911 she is put down as being from Ireland ???
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I just re-checked the link for Michael's birth and it works fine for me (using Chrome). Perhaps you are using iPhone or tablet? if not perhaps try different browser?
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I can't find a marriage in Ireland but if Mary Ann's birthplace in 1901 census (England) is correct there's a possible (Oct./Dec.1879) marriage in Chester le Street district, County Durham, England (volume 10a page 559)- Michael Henry & Mary Ann Tower on same page.
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I can't find a marriage in Ireland but if Mary Ann's birthplace in 1901 census (England) is correct there's a possible (Oct./Dec.1879) marriage in Chester le Street district, County Durham, England (volume 10a page 559)- Michael Henry & Mary Ann Tower on same page.
Birth: Sarah Henry Jan./Mar.1881 Chester le Street district (mother- Tower)
Church register gives fathers as Michael Henry & George Tower-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN59-TM8
Daughter Sarah born & Christened Feb.1880-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLD1-Z2J
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I have been able to see it now, I had to verify I was human apparently ;D
I see that the name must have been Henry originally, and not Hendry. To this day though the name is Hendry. You've been a massive help, I will take note of the websites you used for other members of the family tree.
The whole family tree is Irish, and I haven't researched much using Irish records before, it seems a little more difficult than English/Welsh/Scottish record hunting.
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1881 census looking good- Michael born c1855 Ireland and wife Mary Ann born c1860 Norfolk, England-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-D1NL
Henry and Hendry are more or less interchangeable in Ireland.
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Could the same websites be used to find Michael Henry's birth record in the 1850's?
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No, registration of births didn't start until 1864. However, many Catholic parish records are online (also free).
https://registers.nli.ie/
Location of Rocktown townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/maghera/rocktown/
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It may be a case of visiting the parish church to see if I can find baptismal records perhaps
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Possibly father Michael (not granted until 4 May 1931)- Henery Michael of Rocktown county Londonderry farmer died 27 May 1926 Administration Londonderry 4 May to Mary Ann Henery the widow. Effects £3.
Mid-Ulster Mail [Cookstown], 13 Jan.1923: FOR SALE BY AUCTION ... FRIDAY. 19th, at 3 o'clock, for Mr. Michael Henry—All his Lands in Rocktown.
Michael Henry of Rocktown (may not all be same one) appears numerous times in newspapers (drunk & disorderly, etc.)
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search/irish-newspapers
It may be a case of visiting the parish church to see if I can find baptismal records perhaps
No, the registers are online (free)- follow through with the link I posted earlier.
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Where would you suggest looking online for more recent records of births/deaths in the 20th century?
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You'll get births over 100 years old on Irish Genealogy- they also have deaths & marriages for N.I. counties up to 1921. GRONI's database has births over 100 years old, deaths over 50 years old and marriages over 75 years old- it's pay per view but if you have at least 1 credit then you can get quite a bit from the indexes.
PRONI have Will extracts which might mention more recent relatives but the Wills you will probably need a visit to PRONI to see recent stuff.
Googling often finds surprising details such as this list of contributors-
http://www.laveyparish.com/smhis2.htm
Which led me to their home page- http://www.laveyparish.com/
That website should keep you busy browsing for awhile ;)
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Thanks so much, I'll have a browse.
Any ideas if i might be able to find more on these two ladies -
Mary Josephine Hendry (Maiden name Magee), died 20/11/1995 in Lavey, Co. Derry aged 74. Married John Hendry (29/10/1917 - 18/05/2003)
Sarah Murphy (Maiden name Kelly), died 05/02/2002 in Dungiven, Co. Derry aged 82. Possible birth date of September 1919, Dungiven. Father's name possibly James Kelly, from Dungiven. Married William Murphy (00/00/1920 - 04/05/1978), Dungiven (son of Andrew Murphy & Jane Hampson).
If you have any advice on Mary or Sarah, please let me know and i'll do some research!
Cheers - K
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You're now in a more difficult period to find information. Too recent for vital records and too late for recent obituaries.
Gravestone of John & Josephine Hendry- http://www.laveyparish.com/n27,24.htm
That same wonderful site has a tab for 'Notice Board' which has people looking for family information so I would try posting there for local help -
http://www.laveyparish.com/noticeboard.html
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I shall have to post on the message board on there to see if anyone has any more information, the only info I have on Mary Josephine was that her parents were John Magee & Mary Ann Downey.
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I shall have to post on the message board on there to see if anyone has any more information, the only info I have on Mary Josephine was that her parents were John Magee & Mary Ann Downey.
Note the following marriage, is it a possibility?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09947/5616335.pdf
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I found this also - but am now attempting to find the mother's of John Magee & Mary Ann Downey. Potential mother for Mary Ann Downey is Mary Devlin.
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Yes, Mary Anne's parents were David Downey/Downing and Mary Devlin, John's parents were Henry Magee and Ann McElhatton.
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How did you find those so quickly? I don't seem to be getting the nack of the right way to search.
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In this case the possible baptisms I could see (ie. of Mary Anne Downey and John Magee - transcriptions only) were subsequently annotated to confirm their 1911 marriage details, so little doubt whether the right folk or not and thus a quick result on their parents.
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Oh really? I wasn't able to locate, specifically anyway, the baptismal records of John or Mary Ann.
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John was baptised on 5 June 1873, birth date given as 3 June, the address as Gulladuff, this is the civil birth record that relates (mother's surname 'Hatton'):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03202/2174105.pdf
Mary Anne was baptised on 2 September 1876, the address was given as Drummuck, this is the civil birth record that relates:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03048/2117745.pdf
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I see I see, I don't think I expanded my year search that far back to find them.
Did you use the same web page/search engine to find the marriages of their parents also?
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Try as I might I can't find the marriage for Henry Magee & Anne McEl/Hatton
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Try as I might I can't find the marriage for Henry Magee & Anne McEl/Hatton
Lavey RC parish, 12 January 1860, Henry Magee married Ann Hatton, the marriage was witnessed by Hugh Hatton and Susan Murphy, that is all the information there is, as you may know, there won't be a civil record as it was pre 1864.
BTW, note that a Henry Magee married an Ann Jane Downey in Lavey RC parish on 14 June 1859 and had children at Gulladuff around the time of John Magee's birth, lots of scope for confusion.
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Irish genealogy is completely new to me, it seems either more difficult or just a different process to get used to than that of England/Wales/Scotland.
In terms of wanting to go further back than David Downey/Mary Devlin/Henry Magee/Ann Hatton, is is possible to do so? The whole family tree I am researching is based in Ireland.
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I found what I thought was a possible death for Henry Magee 19th June 1924 in Gulladuff, aged 70 which would have meant he was born c.1853/54, but obviously if he married in 1860 he would have been born in the 1830/40's and therefore a lot older than 70 if he died in 1924.
Also found one for David Downey 24th May 1921 in Magherafelt, aged 70.
Both locations and ages seemed to make sense but now am not so sure.
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Bachelor and labourer David Downing of Moyagall married spinster and grocer Mary Devlin of Drummuck (both Maghera parish) on 24 May 1868, David was recorded as the son of John Downing a labourer, Mary as the daughter of Patrick Devlin, a labourer. Peter Boyle and Margaret Murray were witnesses.
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I found what I thought was a possible death for Henry Magee 19th June 1924 in Gulladuff, aged 70 which would have meant he was born c.1853/54, but obviously if he married in 1860 he would have been born in the 1830/40's and therefore a lot older than 70 if he died in 1924.
Also found one for David Downey 24th May 1921 in Magherafelt, aged 70.
Both locations and ages seemed to make sense but now am not so sure.
Sorry, made my previous post before reading this, hopefully others will respond.
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Irish genealogy is completely new to me, it seems either more difficult or just a different process to get used to than that of England/Wales/Scotland.
In terms of wanting to go further back than David Downey/Mary Devlin/Henry Magee/Ann Hatton, is is possible to do so? The whole family tree I am researching is based in Ireland.
Sorry again, didn't pick up on this either. My experience is that tracing Irish family becomes generally more difficult prior to civil registration (before which largely dependent on church records) and considerably more difficult prior to the first quarter of the 19th C, IMHO.