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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Lee Ross on Thursday 12 July 18 02:14 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to trace my 4th great grandparents, Edward Slavin/Slevin and Margaret McBride, in Armagh before they emigrated to Australia in 1857 onboard the 'Echunga'.
On his death certificate in 1879, Edward's parents are listed as "Edward Patrick Slavin - labourer" and "Mother's name not known beyond Margaret". Edward was recorded as being 47 years old in 1879 and being born in Armagh, Ireland (c. 1832). The passenger list for the 'Echunga' has him born c. 1831 from Armagh.
On her death certificate in 1866, Margaret's parents are listed as "Francis and Margaret McBride". She was recorded as being 38 years old in 1866 and being born in Armagh, Ireland (c. 1828). However on the passenger list for the 'Echunga' she was recorded as being 23 years old (c. 1834) from Armagh, she's also listed as Mary A Slevin.
I've been able to find Edward and Margaret's marriage on 28th Jan 1857 in Armagh (image of marriage record attached). The 'Echunga' sailed from Liverpool on 30th May 1857.
I haven't been able to find any records of birth that seem to fit for them so I've hit a bit of a brick wall. I was hoping someone here might know something about these families that may shed some light.
Thanks in advance!
Lee
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What parish was this marriage record from?
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There is an Edward Slavin in 1832 in the Freeholder Records available at PRONI listed in Drumart:
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/DetailedSearchResultsImage.aspx?VolumeNo=120&PageNo=17&LineNum=2
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The earlier record for seemingly the same guy (1816-1817) has the name spelled as Slevin -- a tenant of Lord Dungannon:
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/DetailedSearchResultsImage.aspx?VolumeNo=11&PageNo=42&LineNum=6
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What parish was this marriage record from?
It's from the Armagh Parish.
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The earlier record for seemingly the same guy (1816-1817) has the name spelled as Slevin -- a tenant of Lord Dungannon:
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/freeholders/DetailedSearchResultsImage.aspx?VolumeNo=11&PageNo=42&LineNum=6
Hey - thanks for helping me out!
Drumart could be a good lead, haven't come across this Edward yet. Hopefully can make the connection.
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You can also look in the parish records for Mullaghbrack and Ballymore for Drumart.
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You can also look in the parish records for Mullaghbrack and Ballymore for Drumart.
Thanks for the tip - see how we go!
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BDM VIC birth
1858 / 4462 SLEAVIN Mary parents Edward / Margret (Mcbride) Bruthen Creek
BDM VIC marriage
1883 / 539 SLAVIN Mary Ann m. PICKERING William David
BDM VIC deaths
1923 / 3505 SLAVIN Margaret parents SLAVIN Edward / Mary (Mcbride)
died St Kilda age 57
1939 / 10084 PICKERING Mary Ann parents SLAVIN Edward / Margaret (Mcbride)
born Bruthen Victoria died Collingwood age 80
When Margaret SLAVIN dies, 1866, does husband Edward marry again? If not, who looks after her small children?. This might lead to extended family already living in Victoria.
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What children do you have for this couple -
Edward Slavin/Slevin and Margaret McBride
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Some questions please -
* When Margaret SLAVIN dies, 1866, does husband Edward marry again? If not, who looks after her small children?. This might lead to extended family already living in Victoria.
* Who is the informant for death certificate of Margaret SLAVIN, died 1866.
* What was cause of death....chronic illness....might not have been able to care for her children?
* Who is the informant for death certificate of Edward SLAVIN, died 1879?
* What names do you see for witnesses, marriage record, 1857.....is it Thomas THERRY and Margaret DONNELLY?
Probate file for Edward SLAVIN, died 1879, names children Edward, Mary, Roseanna, Margaret.
* Edward SLAVIN
* Mary SLAVIN m. William David PICKERING, 1883
Mary Ann PICKERING died 1939, VIC.
* Rosanna SLAVIN m. (1) James CASBOLT, 1880 (2) Thomas CASBOLT, 1887.
Rosanna Ellen CASBOLT died 1928, VIC
* Margaret SLAVIN died 1923, VIC
What happened to son Edward....when / who / where......marriage and death....what do you have?
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Some questions please -
* When Margaret SLAVIN dies, 1866, does husband Edward marry again? If not, who looks after her small children?. This might lead to extended family already living in Victoria.
* Who is the informant for death certificate of Margaret SLAVIN, died 1866.
* What was cause of death....chronic illness....might not have been able to care for her children?
* Who is the informant for death certificate of Edward SLAVIN, died 1879?
* What names do you see for witnesses, marriage record, 1857.....is it Thomas THERRY and Margaret DONNELLY?
Probate file for Edward SLAVIN, died 1879, names children Edward, Mary, Roseanna, Margaret.
* Edward SLAVIN
* Mary SLAVIN m. William David PICKERING, 1883
Mary Ann PICKERING died 1939, VIC.
* Rosanna SLAVIN m. (1) James CASBOLT, 1880 (2) Thomas CASBOLT, 1887.
Rosanna Ellen CASBOLT died 1928, VIC
* Margaret SLAVIN died 1923, VIC
What happened to son Edward....when / who / where......marriage and death....what do you have?
Hey,
-- I haven't seen a second marriage for Edward Slavin after Margaret's death. His death certificate doesn't mention a second wife, neither does his probate so I'm fairly certain that he didn't remarry. Not sure who looked after his kids when is wife passed, interesting idea to explore though.
-- Charles Fort (neighbour of the deceased) was the informant on Margaret Slavin's death certificate. She died of typhus fever (14 days ill).
-- Edward Slavin Jnr was the informant on his father Edward's death certificate.
-- The witnesses on their 1857 marriage are Thomas Sherry/Therry and Margaret Donnelly. There are a few Donnelly-Slevin marriages in Armagh but nothing thats helped pinpoint anything further for me yet.
-- Edward Slavin Jnr married Catherine Lawler in 1887 (Edward Slavin Snr's land in Bruthen was transferred to her father Fenton Lawler in 1888). He died in Northam, WA in 1939.
Thanks for helping me out
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Anything possible here.....?
Among the children of Edward SLAVIN and Elizabeth LAWLER m. 1887, VIC, and enlisted WW1 -
SLAVIN Frank #1925 born Yarram Yarram VIC enlisted Perth WA
NOK - (Father) SLAVIN Edward
SLAVIN Edward Frenton #2449 born Yarram VIC enlisted Perth WA
NOK - (Father) SLAVIN Edward
SLAVIN John Leonard #5200 born Yarram VIC enlisted Blackboy Hill WA
NOK - (Father) SLAVIN Edward
Looking at the online file for Frank SLAVIN #1925, at page 8 of 17 -
..records allotment from his pay to Mrs M H WALKER, Islington SA, being an increase from daily three shillings, to be four shillings from 31 Dec 1915.....
Frank enlisted 26 Oct 1915, single...
Who is Mrs M H WALKER......at Islington SA....at 1915?
SA BDM marriage
1894 180/565 SLAVEN Thomas marr. HENDERSON Matilda Harriett @ Adelaide
births
1895 SLAVEN Frederick James
parents Thomas SLAVEN / Matilda Harriet HENDERSON Adelaide 557/317
1897 SLAVEN Agnes Mary Elizabeth
parents Thomas SLAVEN / Matilda Harriet HENDERSON Hindmarsh 597/155
1899 SLAVEN Hilda May
parents Thomas SLAVEN / Matilda Harriet HENDERSON Frome 634/472
1901 SLAVEN William
parents Thomas SLAVEN / Matilda Harriet HENDERSON Frome 681/201
death
1909 339/19 SLAVEN Thomas undefined Frome
A second marriage for widowed Matilda Harriet?...
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marriage
1910 242/383 WALKER Jonathan Barlow marr. SLAVEN Matilda Harriet @ Norwood
WW1 enlistment
SLAVEN Frederick James #438 born Adelaide SA enlisted Keswick SA
NOK (Mother) WALKER Matilda Harriett
..(Islington SA)
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Hi there all,
My great grandfather was Francis Slavin, who on his marriage and death certificate states that he was born in Melbourne Vic. From his age on marriage certificate I estimated that he was born +/- 1847.
On his marriage certificate it states his father was Edward Slavin and mother Maria Callaghan. From his death certificate it states that his father is Edward Slavin and mother Bridget Cahill.
I have looked for 25 years to find Francis' parents or any siblings, but without success.
My great grandfather marries my great grandmother in 1875 in Wellington NSW, a long way from Melbourne. No documentation found about Francis other than I have already stated.
I told my mother (nee Slavin) before she died that it was as a good thing that her grandfather was dead because I would have to the kill the bum for being so damn hard to find.
I am hoping folks out there will have relieve some frustration and give so peace before I too died ;D.
Geordy
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0184 Armagh plus neighbouring Parishes via map thereon