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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jang on Thursday 12 July 18 03:12 BST (UK)
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I was surprised to find the following birth and death in the WA BDM indexes:
birth Levitt Frank Male Williams 86 1918
death Levitt Frank Male Perth 188 1927
with no mother or father listed. Is this unusual? Would the actual certificates have this information?
Jan
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I don't know the answer, but I have just read the following on their website:
Please note that some entries in Open Era records may cause offence. In order to avoid causing offence, the copy you receive may be redacted unless you specifically ask for an un-redacted copy. By asking for an un-redacted copy, you accept that the copy you receive could contain words that may cause, or be capable of causing, offence to you or someone else who is aware of it.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/U/uncertified_copies.aspx?uid=1003-4731-8003-7880
JM
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I've seen many of the later WA death records without parent names - it may relate to when the indexes were created. I've not seen a birth index without parent names but given this one is 1918, it could be done in more recent times. Perhaps they are following the England/Wales index ideas!
The birth certificate would have whatever parent names were provided (presumably at least a mother) - but death certificates would/would not depending on the knowledge of the informant.
WA certificates contain much the same information as those from the eastern mainland states.
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Parents have never been detailed on the Birth Indexes in WA post 1905. I haven't had to search recently so don't know if that has been updated.
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38006432
Deaths
LEVITT.-On February 5, at the Children's Hospital, Frank, the dearly beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. A. Levitt, of Mundijong; aged 8 years and 7 months.
Burial
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KB00034575
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundijong,_Western_Australia
The birth was registered in the Williams District so a quick search of the Sub division of Swan, sub-division of Williams.
LEVITT Alexander "Wonnaminta" Narrogin Farm Hand
LEVITT Fanny "Wonnaminta" Narrogin HD
And their deaths
LEVITT Alexander 89 years
Father Elijah Mother Unknown
District Williams Reg#39 1966
LEVITT Fanny 73 years
Father James Mother Unknown
Disrict Perth Reg#1334 1956
Interred at Narrogin cemetery
LEVITT Alexander. 1 June 1966 - aged 89. Father of Muriel, Alex and Bernice. - ANG - ZL.4
LEVITT Fanny. 73 years. 21 May 1956. - ANG - ZL.3
And their marriage in England
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Marriages Sep 1910
LEVITT Alexander Chesterton 3b/1086
BOOTH Fanny Chesterton 3b/1086
According to the census, Alexander was born c1877 Landbeach, Cambridgeshire, England.
Births Jun 1877
LEVITT Alexander Chesterton 3b/498
Mr Alex LEVITT and Mrs A LEVITT departed London on 16 Sep 1910 on the ORSOVA and were contracted to land in Western Australia.
You can search the English census on familysearch.org or at subscription only websites. Many libraries have the Library Edition of Ancestry and Find My Past.
Cando
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I don't know the answer, but I have just read the following on their website:
Please note that some entries in Open Era records may cause offence. In order to avoid causing offence, the copy you receive may be redacted unless you specifically ask for an un-redacted copy. By asking for an un-redacted copy, you accept that the copy you receive could contain words that may cause, or be capable of causing, offence to you or someone else who is aware of it.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/U/uncertified_copies.aspx?uid=1003-4731-8003-7880
JM
JM that has to do with the removal of words from original entries, not names. Some idiot thought it was a good idea.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-17/aboriginal-term-deemed-offensive-births-deaths-marriages/9753430
Debra :)
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:)
And if WA BDM's index was prepared with similar pattern re names as NSW was, then Aboriginal can be found under headings including Name as recently as 1918, so not just in Early Church Records. I agree, re the person who thought it a good idea.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=795896.msg6529237#msg6529237
JM
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Very recently here in WA, one document (Birth Certificate?) caused offence to an Aboriginal gent with the word "Aboriginal" redacted.
Edit: Just now noted Dundee's entry above. The link tells the story!
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Thanks, everyone, for all the feedback. The birth certificate sounds like the one I need.
This is not my direct family but one a relative had a long association with. I am curious about the parentage of Frank. However, I just checked and there's a 100 year rule for birth certificates being available to non-family members, so I'll have to wait until next year to satisfy my curiosity.
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So you are saying that Frank wasn't the son of Mr and Mrs A LEVITT whose son Frank's birth was registered in the District of Williams in 1918. I note that there were three other chn all named on the headstones of Alexander and Fanny and whose births were registered in the District of Williams.
In 1917 John and Agnes Annie were living at Doodlakine the electoral sub division of Northam so I wonder why Frank's birth in 1918 would be registered in the registration district of Williams c200 kms south, where Alexander and Fanny were enrolled to vote.
Do you have either John and Annie Agnes' death certificates? Children both living and deceased should be named on their certs.
Cando
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Cando, I think Frank was their son but just wanted to confirm it. An article on Trove has Annie claiming maintenance from her husband in August 1921.
Thanks for suggesting the death certificates - I hadn't thought of that.
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John George LEVITT was overseas during 1916, 1917, 1918 and 1919 according to his WW1 service file. Very much doubt he was the father
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ShowImage.aspx?B=8198507&S=13&T=P&R=0
Cando
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Agnes and brother in law, Jack LEVITT [On Active service] mentioned in this notice for her brother William REEVE in 1918.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27491752
Cando
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Great finds, Cando, that definitely rules out her husband as the father of Frank. I noticed he wasn't mentioned as a nephew. I wonder if it was because he wasn't born yet (the notice is October 1918) or ….
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I'm a bit lost here....why would Frank be mentioned as a nephew of Wm REEVE? John George could not have possibly been his father. It would appear they only had two boys
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article25719307
LEVITT Wilfred Arthur 1908-1988
LEVITT George Rodney 1910–1984
Cando
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Appears another researcher has the same information. Only two sons.
http://stacey-campbell.com/NAVWEB-safe/ppl/e/1/dd14c4cd6ad5d5f151e.html
Cando
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Aha, so Frank does belong to another couple. Frank's death notice says "the dearly beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. A. Levitt of Mundijong". I think I can safely eliminate him from the family story. :-)
Many thanks!
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Jang I don't mind helping anyone with their research but what annoys me is when people modify their posts and remove information. You have heavily modified your reply#8 which originally included the names John and Annie LEVITT You mentioned that Mr and Mrs A LEVITT in the death notice were John and Annie. My reply#9 looks so silly now.
How would I know how to search the electoral rolls and other databases for a John and Annie [Agnes] LEVITT if you hadn't mentioned them?
Feeling very cross as you now make my research look silly >:( >:(.
Cando
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Cando, I'm very sorry. I modified the post because I was concerned about upsetting their descendants. I know how easy it is to find references here on Rootschat simply by googling a name.
I've definitely learned the dangers of jumping to conclusions and being more careful about what I post.
Apologies,
Jan