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Title: Fathers Roots
Post by: Ric Shorten on Sunday 15 July 18 14:14 BST (UK)
1904 - 1969 Richard Thomas SHORTEN, farmers, County Cork 80 kms north of COrk, Trinity College 1924, P. Eng 1925 left for Quebec, Canada, White Star Line. On to Toronto.

 
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 15 July 18 14:31 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to RootsChat!

Could you tell us please what exactly you are looking for and what you may have already found?

I guess this is his birth?From https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01md3/

Maureen

Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 15:44 BST (UK)
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Warrenscourt/Poularick/423987/

marriage 1900 a widower
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10349/5767740.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Warrenscourt/Poularick/1123487/
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 16:03 BST (UK)
looks like James marriage 1884 to Ellen Bradfield
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10913/5986537.pdf
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 18:30 BST (UK)
Margaret Connells family
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Aghadown_North/Ardraly/1155716/

Thomas Connell son of Richard married Esther Willis dtr of Philip
26th Sep 1857 Kilcoe,Skibbereen,Cork
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGVD-Q64C

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Aghadown_North/Ardraly/441750/
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 19:06 BST (UK)
Richard's brother Benjamin's marriage to Margaret Long 1926
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1926/09133/5303071.pdf

sister Hester Violet to John George Baker 1929
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09063/5278776.pdf
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 19:39 BST (UK)
James Shorten still married died 1915
373 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05269/4462611.pdf

Will index
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014919/005014919_00346.pdf
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Sunday 15 July 18 20:28 BST (UK)
Margaret Shorten died 1927 Killorgan Hall,Bantry Rd informant son in law Samuel Northridge
467 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1927/04973/4354472.pdf

Samuel Northridge married Sarah Anne Shorten dtr of James Shorten,Poulerick House
so obviously step son in law
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09825/5567337.pdf

Sarah Anne's birth 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02608/1962964.pdf
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Sunday 15 July 18 21:35 BST (UK)
You've put a lot of work into this so far! Let's hope Ric comes back to read it.
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Monday 16 July 18 15:17 BST (UK)
O S I   Map
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,540244,563915,12,9

according to street view this is whats left
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mda/

Pullerick House to Beal na Blath
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mdb/
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Monday 16 July 18 21:45 BST (UK)
children's births from first marriage
 Sarah Anne Nov 1885
Mary Eliz june 1887
Helenor Frances Sep 1888
Eliz Josephine Oct 1890 married Joseph Evan Crowley 1923
Annie Bradfield Dec 1896
there may be more as they appear to be registered in Bandon and Macroom

mother Ellen, James wife died 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05793/4638743.pdf

James's father Benjamin died 1893 age 90
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06006/4709433.pdf
his wife appears to have been Mary who died March 1890 age 76 see next post
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06110/4744333.pdf
There are 3 marriages in right time period
1839 Mary Cotter
1840 Mary Forbes
1844 Mary Moxley
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mdd/


Sarah and Annie were living with their Aunt Anne Bradfield 1901 to 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kilbrogan/Killowen/1089525/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilbrogan/Killowen/373580/

Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 17 July 18 07:58 BST (UK)
informant on Mary Shorten's death 1890 was son William Shorten
he married Aphra Wolfe 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10671/5888822.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Coolcraheen/Coolcraheen/1161969/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Coolcraheen/Coolcraheen/380459/
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 17 July 18 17:02 BST (UK)
Witness to the above marriage of William was Richard Shorten
now a Richard Shorten a warder in Spike Island,Prison son of Benjamin married Mary Good
1871 his witness was James Shorten
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11357/8169159.pdf

his daughter Lizzie married a solicitor in 1907 named Aubrey Evans O'Callaghan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10111/5678687.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Brinny/Rockford/1089133/

strangely Aubrey managed to fill out 2 census returns in the same day for 2 different addresses
1911 at his mother in laws
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Brinny/Rockfort/373290/

and most likely at his own home with his father in law
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Watergrasshill/Scartbarry/415115/

point being when Margaret Shorten widow of James died in 1927 there was Probate of her will granted to Aubrey E O'Callaghan,executer

search here   you can order a copy
just enter Margaret Shorten
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 17 July 18 18:17 BST (UK)
A sister of James  Anne dtr of Benjamin,Pullrick married William Preston 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1876/11189/8100412.pdf

they had two known daughters Mary 1879 and Lizzie 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02856/2046496.pdf

cant locate them after 1880
Title: Re: FATHERS ROOTS
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 18 July 18 07:54 BST (UK)
An on line tree has Mary Jane Shorten born Sep 19th 1842 at Poulrick
She married Robert Good 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11379/8177952.pdf

their first child Mary Jane was born 1871 at Pullrick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03291/2206249.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Castlehaven_North/Carrigtishane/1156693/

1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Castlehaven/Carrigtishane/442699/

yours ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09150/5309234.pdf
Title: Re: Fathers Roots
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Thursday 19 July 18 20:56 BST (UK)
Good work, but Ric hasn't  logged on since he posted his very abrupt non-question on 15th July.

I'm afraid you have been wasting your time.
Title: Re: Fathers Roots
Post by: dathai on Thursday 19 July 18 21:03 BST (UK)
I always make allowances for new starters.

Dathai