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Kia ora
Looking for information on the Rubbathan's. I have some but am not sure that I am completely on the right track and if I am how I could ascertain which couple are the parents of Thomas. I am really interested in what these people did for a living. My mother always said she came from 'peasant stock'! If you can fill in any blanks that would be great.
Many thanks to the many people who supply information to me and others on this great site.
Nga mihi nui Bronwen, Christchurch, NZ
Possible parents of Thomas Rubbathan
Gulielmi & Ann Rubbathan or ) both had children named Thomas baptised
William & Ann Rubbathan ) on the same day in Berriew
1774 Nov. 21, Edward Shuker, of Cardington, Farmer, & Ann Rubbathan, of Frodesley, sp., lic ... mar.
1778 May 1, Isaac Jones, of Forden, & Elizabeth Rubbathan, lic ... ma
1725? Rubbathan / RUBBATHON / RUBATHAN / RUBATON
Thomas Rubbathan/Rowbathon husband of Sarah James
b.1725 Oct 10 Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns)
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1725 JAMES
Sarah James wife of Thomas Rubbathan, mother of William
b.1725c
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns)
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Children
1760 Feb 22 William Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (listed as illegitimate) (reg.)
1762 Mar 20 Thomas Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1764 Feb, Ann Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1766 Apr 25 Sarah Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
William Rubbathan
b.1760 Feb 22
m.1762? Mary Jones
d.1782 Jan 31 Frodesley, Salop (copy of register includes burials of Edward and John Rubbathan in the same year)
1782 Jan. 29. Edward Rubbathan ... bur.
1783 April 3. John Rubbathan ... bur.
1740 Jones
Mary Jones wife of William Rubbathan, mother of Edward
b.1740
m.1762? William Rubbathan
d.1779 Dec. 3 Frodesley, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Children
1762 Edward Rubbathan b. Aug.22 1762 Frodsley, Salop, Eng.
1765 Thomas Rubbathan b. April 15 1765 Frodesley, Salop. Eng.
Edward Rubbathan husband of Jane Colley
b.1762 Aug 22 Frodesley, Shropshire
m.1792 Sept 2nd Jane Colley, Frodesley, Shropshire Eng. (copy of banns 12 Aug 1792)
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Jane Colley wife of Edward Rubbathan, mother of Mary Rubbathan
b.1767 Dec 6 baptism Acton Burnell,Salop, Eng. (reg.)
m.1792 Sept 2 Edward Rubbathon, Frodesley, Shropshire, Eng. (copy of Banns)
d.1826 All Saints Anglican, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
Children 7
1792 cApr 15 May Rubbathan, Worthen, Shropshire, Eng.
1797 July 7. James, d. of Edward & Jane Rubbatban, of p. of Acton Burnell ... bu
1797 JcMay 7 Jane Rubbathan, Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
1798 cJun 3 Mary Rubbathan Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
1800 cNov 23 Jane Rubbathan, Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
1803 cMay 1 Hannah Rubbathan, Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng.
1806 May 4 Elizabeth Rubbathan, Acton Burnell. Shropshire, Eng.
1810 c1810 Edward Rubbathan, Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng. (Ag Lab on 1851 census) Christiana Hartshorne b.June 3 1810 Church Pulverbatch, daughter of William & Elizabeth Hartshorne. m. ? Children; Jane b 1838. Edward b: 1840, Anne b: 1842. Emily b: 1843, Mary b:1844, Eliza b:1844, Hannah b:1845. Elizabeth b: 1849 (all born in Frodesley). 1851 living at 17 The Rhien. 1861 census Edward Rubbathan 51 farmer of 5 acres of land Christena Rubbathan 50, Jane Rubbathan 22 Frodesley Lane, Atcham, Shropshire, Edwd 21, Ann 19, Mary 16, Hannah 12, Elizabeth 10, Eliza, Emily 8 Pulverbatch, Shropshire
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As discussed in your other post, this is the marriage:
Church = Pulverbatch 19 Jul 1836
Edward Rubbathan & Christiana Hartshorn
Geoff
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Welsh wills -- https://www.library.wales/discover/nlw-resources/wills
Only 1 under Rubbathan (double "b) - you might try alternative spellings
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Yes I do have Edward etc. I just hadn't put all the Rubbathan's on my thread.
thanks
1810 c1810 Edward Rubbathan, Acton Burnell, Shropshire, Eng. (Ag Lab on 1851 census) Christiana Hartshorne b.June 3 1810 Church Pulverbatch, daughter of William & Elizabeth Hartshorne. m. ? Children; Jane b 1838. Edward b: 1840, Anne b: 1842. Emily b: 1843, Mary b:1844, Eliza b:1844, Hannah b:1845. Elizabeth b: 1849 (all born in Frodesley). 1851 living at 17 The Rhien. 1861 census Edward Rubbathan 51 farmer of 5 acres of land Christena Rubbathan 50, Jane Rubbathan 22 Frodesley Lane, Atcham, Shropshire, Edwd 21, Ann 19, Mary 16, Hannah 12, Elizabeth 10, Eliza, Emily 8 Pulverbatch, Shropshire
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Shrewsbury Chronicle - 28 Mar 1778
STOCK & CATTLE
To be sold at Oakley, Bishop's Castle, in the County of Salop (late the property of Mr Thomas Rubbathan, deceas'd), on Friday & Saturday the 3rd and 4th of April.
All the Stock of Horses, Cows, Cattle and Sheep; also Implements of Husbandry of all Sorts, such as Wagons, Carts, Ploughs, Arrows (sic), &c, and likewise all the Household Goods and Furniture. - The Stock and Implements to be sold on the Friday, and the Household Goods on the Saturday. The Sale to begin each day at 10 o'clock, and to continue till all is sold.
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Thanks Hanes I will look into that. There appear to be many spellings for this name.
cheers Bronwen
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Thanks for the latest about the sale also.
Bronwen
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Welsh Journals online
https://www.journals.library.wales/search/advanced
Only 2 hits under Rubbathan
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Thanks for that I will have a look at them
Bronwen
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http://www.melocki.org.uk/MelockiSalop.html
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Frodesley.html
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Condover.html
Mr. William Rubathan of Frodesley Hall, 1781
1781 Mar. 2. Mr. Willm. Rubathan, of Frodsley Hall ... bur.
1803 Mar. 21. Mary Rubathan (age 78).
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http://search.shropshirehistory.org.uk/collections/search/?q=Rubbathan&cb_submit=Search&cb_page=2
Agreement between Thomas Jones Nichols et al X6000/30/6136 1864
Indenture dated 1864. Between 1) Thomas Jones Nichols of Yockleton Hall Esq. 2) Jemima Biggs of Lower Garth, Guilsfield (Montg), widow. 3)William Rubbathan of Wilmington, gent. 4) Alfred Meredith of Welshpool, gent. Conveyance of an outstanding Legal Fee
Shropshire Archives
Sale Particulars and Plans: Freehold Estate called Wilmington Hall in the parish of Chirbury XD3651/D/41/155 28 Jun 1871
Freehold Estate comprised of 338 acres and including a portion of Marton Pool, late the property of William Rubbathan, deceased
Shropshire Archives
SHUKER OF PENKRIDGE HALL (CARDINGTON) XD3651/B/109 1804
The Shukers were connected by marriage with the Rubbathan and Jones families of Frodesley, all members of the yeomanry and the minor gentry, with landholdings in their respective home parishes and in All Stretton. Several draft documents pertaining to the
Shropshire Archives
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Many thanks Alberbury.
I am really surprised to see their status and wonder whether I have it all wrong, my late mother was certain they were all peasants.
I have just joined the Shropshire local history society in the hope of gleaning more information about the Rubbathans. My grandfather was a Jones, his sibling was born in 1866 and in 1875 they emigrated from Shropshire and my grandfather was born a year later.
However I cannot find them on the 1871 census Nor can I find any register of the two children who died in infancy - see their names below.
In 1861 Ann was living with her parents in the upper cottage in Pitchford.
Ann Williams wife of Thomas Emmanuel Jones, mother of Ernest (my grandfather)
b.1841 Feb 21 Berrington, Shropshire, Eng, (reg.)
m.1865 Aug 25 Thomas Emmanual Jones, Eng.
d.1919 Sept 23 Oxford, Christchurch, NZ (photo of gravestone)
1866 Arthur Jones
Frederick Jones – did not survive infancy - haven’t found
Winifred Jones - did not survive infancy - haven’t found
My motjher has this piece of information below:
RUBATHAN (1762) colonel, regiment of Earl of Powys in duke of Wellington army – frost bitten while on sentry duty and lost both legs. Granted pension – farmed, lived Montgomeryshire
I see the Shukers in this and their connection to the Rubbathans - I have been looking through these registers. The last entry here is one of my line.
A REGISTER BELONGING TO THE PARISH OF FRODESLEY ACCORDING TO
AN ACT FOR YE BETTER PREVENTING OF CLANDESTINE MARRIAGES.
MARCH 22ND, 1754, TO 2IST MAY, 1805.
1798 Immediately upon my induction I was called upon by the Vicar of Condover (Rev. Forester Leighton) for a Mortuary of 10 shillings, as due to the Vicar of Condover, from every inhabitant dying in Frodesley possessed of property to the value of 40£. I refused to pay the Mortuary on account of my father, for which it was claimed, as did also Mr. Jones for his father, and Mrs. Powell, of the Lane, for her husband. In a short time I received a letter from the Rev. F. Leighton, the then Vicar, confessing his error in demanding a Mortuary, and acknowledging it was not due
1779 Dec. 3. Mary Rubbathan ... bur.
1782 Jan. 29. Edward Rubbathan ... bur.
1782 Jan. 31. William Rubbathan ... bur.
1783 April 3. John Rubbathan ... bur.
1797 July 7. James, d. of Edward & Jane Rubbatban, of p. of Acton Burnell ... bu
1774 Nov. 21. Edward Shuker, of Cardington, Farmer, & Ann Rubbathan, of Frodesley, sp., lic ... mar.
1778 May 1. Isaac Jones, of Forden, & Elizabeth Rubbathan, lic ... ma
1792 Sept. 2. Edward Rubbathon & Jane Colley, of Acton Burnell ... mar.
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You have Thomas Emmanuel Jones marrying Ann Williams on 25 Aug 1865 - what is the source of this info.? Cannot find a marriage for the Sept Quarter 1865 for a Thomas and Ann. Else -
Marriage (certificate on FindMyPast)
Parish Church of Newtown, County of Salop.
21st March 1865
Thomas Jones, age 22, Bachelor, Labourer, residence Northwood, father William Jones (deceased), Labourer
Hannah Williams, age 21, Spinster, residence Northwood, father Thomas Williams, labourer
Witnesses James Williams, Sarah Rogers
General Register Office (GRO) - Births
Arthur Jones, Dec Qtr 1866, Salford (Lancashire), 8d 50 - mother's maiden name Williams
1871 Census - ref. RG10 Piece 4020 Folio 147 Page 9
Address - Greengate, Salford (lancashire)
Emmanuel Thos Jones**, Head, age 32, Groom (unemployed), born Wellington (salop)
Hannah Jones, Wife, 29, born Pitchford (Salop)
Arthur Jones, son, age 4, born Salford (Lancashire)
GRO Birth Registration
Frederick Jones, Sep Qtr 1871, Salford (Lancashire), 8d 56 - mother's maiden name Williams
** - entered as "Emmanuel Thos" on schedule
Possibility??
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GRO birth registration
Winifred Jones, Dec Qtr 1873, Salford, 8d 84 - mother's maiden name Williams
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GRO Death Registrations
Winifred Jones, Dec Qtr 1873, Salford, 8d 49, age 0
Arthur Jones, Sep Qtr 1874, Salford, 8d 13, age 0
Arthur Jones, Jun Qtr, Salford, 8d 79 - age 0
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1851 Census - ref. HO107 Piece 1995 Folio 136 Page 11
Address - Northwood, Wem
Thomas Williams, Head, 45, A G labourer, born Salop
Mary Williams, Wife, 49, born Ellesmere
Eliza Williams, Dau, 12, born Wem
James** Williams, Son, 10, born Wem
Hannah Williams, Dau, 8, born Wem
John Williams, Son, 5, born Wem
George Tunnah, Nursery?, 3, born Wem
How does this square with Ann Williams, born 1841, Berrington?
** - possibly the James, witness to the 1865 marriage?
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Hi
I needs to look more carefully tomorrow at what you have sent me which I really appreciate.
This is what I currently have regarding Ann Williams family and Thomas Jones family. I need to check where I got the information about their marriage. Anyway see below what I have.
Thanks Bronwem
Mary ? wife of Thomas Williams, mother of Ann Williams
b.1799?
m. Thomas Williams
d.
Children 7
1831 John Williams
1833 Hannah Williams 1851 census 18 a servant for Mary Wildig and family in Pride Street
1836 Jan 3 Williams – male, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
1837 Thomas Williams,
1840 Eliz Williams
1841 Feb 21 Anne Williams, Cantlop, Shropshire, Eng, (reg.)
1842 July 17 Elizabeth Williams, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng.
Census
1841 Thomas 40 Ag. Lab., Mary 40, John 10, Hannah 8, Elizabeth 5, Anne 4 months, Cantlop, Berrington, Shropshire, Eng. (all born in Shropshire)
1851 Thomas & Mary Williams house named Windy Monday reg district Atcham, Ann 10 scholar, Eliz 8 scholar, Hannah 17 no occupation listed, John 20, farm labourer reg district Atcham
1861 Thomas & Mary Williams, Upper Cottage, Pitchford, Shropshire, Eng. Ann living with her parents, listed as Agr. Labourer’s unmarried daughter
Thomas' father was Emmanuel a tailor
Emmanuel Jones husband of Harriet Mansell & Hannah Duckett
b.1813 Jan 13 All Saints, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1835 Aug 23 Harriet Mansell, Eyton upon the Weald Moors, Shoprshire, Eng.
m.1844 Hannah Duckett, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
d.1881 (census no longer alive?)
o:Tailor
Census
1836 Dec 18 New Street, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1838 Aug 7 Duncow Lane, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1839 Feb 27 Duncow Lane, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1841 June 6 living in Cottage Row, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. Emmanuel 25, Harriet 25, Emmanuel 2, Maria Jones 1 month and Maria Poole aged 9.
1844 Chapel Place, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1851 101 New street, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. Emmanual Jones 39, his wife Hannah 28 (John Duckett’s daughter), Harriet & Emmanual’s son Emmanuel 12, Hannah and Emmanuel’s children: Thomas 5, Sarah 3, Richard 1. A visitor, John Duckett a Day labourer who was a widower and William Thomas a 34 year old Wheelwright (reg.) (photo 101 New St, St George’s, Telford)
1861 101 New Street, Wellington, Shropshire, Emmanuel & Hannah their children Thomas 15, Sarah Ann 13, Richard 11, Elizabeth 9, John 6, Henry 3, Hannah 1 (reg.)
1871 Emmanuel, Hannah, Richard 21 (puddler), John 17 (labourer), Henry 14 (labourer), Hannah 11 (scholar), George 8 (scholar), William 4 (scholar) living at 114? Christ Church Road, Wellington, Shropshire
Thomas' mother & his siblings
Hannah Duckett wife of Emmanuel Jones, mother of Thomas
b.1823 Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
m.1844 Wellington, Shropshire, Eng. (living at Walker Street with parents)
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Children 9
1846-1902 Thomas Emmanuel Jones, Wellington, Shropshire, Eng.
1847 Oct 7 Sarah Ann Jones
1850 Feb 27 Richard Jones
1852 May 16 Elizabeth Jones - 1871 census general servant in Eardington, Bridgnorth, for William Baldwin
1855 John Jones - 1881 census general labourer
1857 March 18 Henry (Harry) Jones
1859 Oct 2 Hannah Jones
1862 Aug 3 George Jones
1866 June 20 William Jones
Census
1861 Bagmender
1881 Hannah 55 a widow, no occupation given, living at High street, Little Ireland, Wellington with 4 sons: John 24 (gen. lab.), Henry 23 (ironwork puddler), George 18 (wood turner) and William 14 (errand boy)
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You need to provide marriage details..
What's the source of the births/deaths of Frederick and Winifred.
For some reason (senior moment??) I posted death details of Arthur. It should have been Frederick -
Frederick Jones, Sep Qtr 1872, Salford, 8d 39, age 1
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Thanks Hanes
The births and deaths of my grandfather's 2 siblings were told to my mother directly - years ago.
You want details for this:
You have Thomas Emmanuel Jones marrying Ann Williams on 25 Aug 1865 - what is the source of this info.? Cannot find a marriage for the Sept Quarter 1865 for a Thomas and Ann.
I will look into this today.
Many thanks Bronwen
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Hi
1. I haven't managed to find the source for the marriage date of Anne Williams and Thomas Emmanual Jones - it maybe that my mother gave me the date but unlikely - I have looked through my papers but can't find anything.
2. I have a photo of the pair of them with their son Arthur taken in Manchester - but I have no date on it. Arthur looks about 6 years old. You had found the other two children for me and the first one was born in Salford Manchester so the 1971 census was almost certainly taken there - I have done some searching today but not found it. I have put the entry from Family search at the very bottom.
3. A major stuff up of mine that I have only just noticed and which will mean I am further back on to the wrong Rubbathan lot. William Rubbathan b.1760 Feb 22 - BORN THE YEAR BEFORE HE FATHERED A CHILD!
4. The entry from Family Search is here:
Name: Edward Rubbathan
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Aug 1762
Christening Date (Original): 22 AUG 1762
Christening Place: FRODESLEY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Wm. Rubbathan
Mother's Name: Mary
I know there are miracles but this is taking things a little too far.
Regards Bronwen
1725 JAMES
Sarah James wife of Thomas Rubbathan, mother of William
b.1725c
m.1761 June 22 Aberhafesb, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (copy of banns)
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Children
1760 Feb 22 William Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire (listed as illegitimate) (reg.)
1762 Mar 20 Thomas Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1764 Feb, Ann Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
1766 Apr 25 Sarah Rubbathan, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales (reg.)
William Rubbathan
b.1760 Feb 22 - BORN THE YEAR BEFORE HE FATHERED A CHILD!
m.1762? Mary Jones
d.1782 Jan 31 Frodesley, Salop (copy of register includes burials of Edward and John Rubbathan in the same year) 1781?
1782 Jan. 29. Edward Rubbathan ... bur.
1783 April 3. John Rubbathan ... bur.
1740 Jones
Mary Jones wife of William Rubbathan, mother of Edward
b.1740
m.1762? William Rubbathan
d.1779 Dec. 3 Frodesley, Shropshire, Eng. (reg.)
Children
1762 b.Aug.22 Edward Rubbathan Frodsley, Salop, Eng.
1765 b.April 15 Thomas Rubbathan Frodesley, Salop. Eng.
Edward Rubbathan husband of Jane Colley
b.1762 Aug 22 Frodesley, Shropshire
m.1792 Sept 2nd Jane Colley, Frodesley, Shropshire Eng. (copy of banns 12 Aug 1792)
d.