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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Louth => Topic started by: sharonsteinberg47 on Tuesday 17 July 18 07:44 BST (UK)
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I have been trying to find the family of a James Templeton transported 1802 convicted 1800 in Dundalk. absolute pardon 1803. I am finding it difficult to find that particulare name in Louth it seems much more prevalent in county Down and Monaghan. were the templetons planted from England in Leinster? or were they Planted from scotland? thanks in advance for any advice.
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peter mayberry convicts http://www.membes.pcug.org.au
James Templeton born 1778, ship Hercules 1 arrived in 1802 married Ann Tyler then Sarah Ann Scott
died sydney 1849
on family search
http://www.familysearch.org
no native place mention
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Yes I realise no native place was mentioned. but I think no-one is going to travel far in those days. Sarah Ross was from Armagh and according to most historians the people living at the Rocks tended to live with people from the same part of Ireland they themselves came from. i was thinking that was the same with the Irish here in SA ...they tended to marry people from the same county they came from, if they had the choice. If this is so then I am thinking he may have c ome from Armagh or Newry.
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I also suspect no native place was mentioned because he came from Dundalk.
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Yes I realise no native place was mentioned. but I think no-one is going to travel far in those days. Sarah Ross was from Armagh and the people living at the Rocks tended to live with people from the same part of Ireland they themselves came from. If this is so then I am thinking he may have c ome from Armagh or Newry.
On the contrary- I've seen lots of instances where people were tried quite a distance from where they lived.
Not sure what the first sentence means- "according to most historians the people living at the Rocks tended to live with people from the same part of Ireland they themselves came from. i was thinking that was the same with the Irish here in SA ...they tended to marry people from the same county they came from, if they had the choice. "
Sometimes people married others that had come from the same area but sometimes not so you can't really assume. They did often marry (at least in the first generation) someone of their own religion but even then not always.
The problem with finding the name in Louth might just be the scarcity of records at such an early period.
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thank you for that. I can see I need to give up the idea of finding his birth. Once again thanks.
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thank you for that. I can see I need to give up the idea of finding his birth. Once again thanks.
I didn't say to give up ::) What I do suggest is that you keep an open mind and keep searching everywhere for clues. What religion was James Templeton in Australia? Have you contacted all possible descendants to see if any different information or possessions have been handed down in the family?
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He is my cousins GG grandfather and they did not even know of his existence until i did his tree. He became a shoemaker in Cumberland street at the
rocks like a lot of Ex convicts. I expect he had nothing when he got here and just collected what they could afford during his life here. No idea of his religion as he lived in defacto relationships in Australia, does not seem to have applied for permission to marry. neither did his partners his 2nd "wife" was from Armagh. that is the one my cousin descends from. I was hoping someone had done a list of the most prevalent names from the different plantations, never mind. Thank you. sharon
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did he get a pension? when he married what was on the marriage certificate?
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http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/templeton/james/135191
Special constable 1811
think he might have got in trouble for selling shoes a two different prices, one for the rich and one for the poor.
died Rock of Cashel Public House
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People never got pensions then...and he never married, probably because he or his spouses (defacto spouses) were married already.
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He was given an Absolute Pardon a year after he arrived...that almost never happened Conditional pardons were the norm. I do not think he ever got into trouble.
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Hi
May I mention that the NSW Archives ONLINE index shows that James TEMPLETON was awarded a CONDITIONAL pardon on 4 June 1803. Their ref is 4/4430 and Reel 774,pg 25.
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts/indexes
ADD Re Pensions
I am sure there was many a convict while serving their sentence in NSW who were appointed as Constables. Here’s an example, a Daniel GEARY, awarded a pension of one shilling a Day and recommended for a Conditional Pardon ...
Sydney Herald 2 May 1831. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12842976
I am not aware of an online database for pensioners info for that penal era.
JM
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He was buried in the Church of England section of the Sandhills Cemetery in 1849, transferred in 1901 to Bunnerong with:
Mrs Ann TEMPLETON died 20th November 1822 aged 56 years
Sarah TEMPLETON died 2nd August 1833 aged 22 months. & 17 days
and his info: James TEMPLETON died 3rd May 1849 aged 73 years.
The monument noted in 2001 as Upright and Fair condition.
JM