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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 15:43 BST (UK)
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Hello,
John was living in West and East Worldham in the 1730s and 1740s. His wife died in East Worldham in 1779. Can anyone find a burial for John?
Thanks,
Adam
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If he was living in East and West Worldham 1730-1740 it would appear to rule out this burial
John Towers, age 75, buried 30 Jul 1815, East Worldham
There is also the burial
John Towers, 27 Jun 1770, no age given, place Froyle
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Thanks!
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Can any burials be found in Froyle for John's father, William, or his grandfather William? Senior William was christening children in the 1670s, his son in the 1700s. Also looking for any possible christenings for Mary Smith (common name, I know) at St. John's Church, where she married in 1739.
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Several burial records of William Towers in Froyle, but no ages given:
9 Aug 1669 - unlikely to be the senior William if he was still having children baptised in 1670s
15 Sep 1733 - possibly, or could be his son
16 Feb 1747- maybe the son
6 Nov 1755 - again maybe the son
Original PRs might help sort out which one might be yours.
Baptism of Mary - large number of possibilities. Would this query not be better as a separate request since I don't see a connection to the Towers family :-\ Did I miss something? I had to look through your other posts to find which St. John's church it was where she married (Winchester, I found) and that post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=784006.msg6387656#msg6387656 also indicated that she was resident in Farley Chamberlayne at that time. There is one at Winchester St John's on 1 May 1711 - father John Smith. But there is also one at Winchester St Peter in the same year, father Samuel. Impossible to have any certainty without something else to help tie the generations together.
Nell
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Thanks for that! And sorry for not specifying the city - must have slipped my mind!
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That document does confuse me. Firstly, why is Henry recorded as William. Secondly, why does it say Winnall and not Winchester. Etc etc. Same time as well.
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Adam, may I encourage you, dare I say urge you to study the Genuki site which is a positive mine of information for every county in the UK, including churches, descriptions of parishes, history etc. You would easily have found that Winnall is now part of Winchester but used to be a separate parish.
Equally even a Google search and the Wikipedia entry would have enlightened you! ;) Sometimes there is no mystery.
I have found a transcription of the marriage which indicates that Henry Streater married Mary Smith at Winchester St John on 18 Sep 1739. I can't comment on the veracity of paco's information since I've no idea where he found it.
Moral of this is to check the original to clear up any errors which can inevitably creep in to transcriptions. ;)
Nell
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Yes, that is a good idea. For example, the parish of Barnwell was once part of the parish of St. Andrew the Less in Cambridge, so events were often doubly recorded there. So was it a William Streeter who married Mary Smith? In which case the marriage cannot be mine.
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I looked at a transcription. It is difficult to see how William and Henry might be mistaken, but the only way to find out is to get sight of the original. There is no sign of a William Streater marrying a Mary in Hamsphire around that time. Are there any children baptised with parents William and Mary or are there only ones with Henry and Mary? If the latter, then there may have been an error somewhere.
Nell
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Only for Henry and Mary from about 1740 in New Alresford. I don't know of any children born to a William Streater. Henry did have Smith relatives, as articles following his death state that he had two nephews, William and Samuel Smith of Winchester.
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After a bit of digging, this is what I've recorded in my file:
Streater, Henry and Smith, Mary, married on the 17th of September 1739, in Winnall, Hampshire. Mary is recorded as being of Farley Chamberlayne. St. Martin’s Church in Winnall was part of the parish of St. John the Baptist with St Martin Winnall, Winchester - thus the marriage was recorded at St. John’s Church in Winchester the following day. Newspaper articles following Henry’s death stated that he had two nephews living in Winchester, William and Samuel Smith.
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You seem to have solved your own problem - you noted the information from somewhere. Evaluate the reliability of the source. Most of us proceed by small steps, gradually increasing the probability that the record we have found is the correct one. Sometimes it can take years to build up the correct tree. I am still stuck on a number of ancestors due to a lack of adequate proof. There are eureka moments, usually when least expected and it can come from the most unusual source, not the obvious parish register.
Have you considered the will available at Hampshire Record Office of John Towers senior of East Worldham in 1771?
http://calm.hants.gov.uk/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=1771A%2f117&pos=6
Not available online, but then I'm afraid not everything is.
Nell
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Thanks for the will. I didn't have that.
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Please don't forget to check the Resources boards for each county here on RootsChat. There are links to any PR transcriptions that are known, plus links to online catalogues and many other resources which all help to build up the evidence base. Sometimes questions can be answered by a simple online search.
TNA catalogue also lists other record office holdings and some of these entries can be very detailed which can provide clues to help narrow down searches.
Nell
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I will bear it in mind. Recently I have managed to be a bit more independent by utilising FreeREG and other suggested resources by the good members of this forum.