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Title: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:27 BST (UK): Hello,

Looking for Priscilla Franks, born c. 1780, in Whitechapel in 1861

As well as Lewis Lipman, born c. 1800, was living in Aldgate at Cutler Street in 1841 (looking for any subsequent censuses)

Thanks,

Adam
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:45 BST (UK): There is this one - it's down as Banks, and the image looks like Banks to me, but someone has sent in a correction to Franks. Did she have a daughter, Ester?

RG 9; Piece: 270; Folio: 46; Page: 1
Whitechapel

Moses Levy   38
Ester Levy     38
Benjamin Levy   7
Hyam Levy   7/12
Pricilla Banks   73 wife's mother Aldgate Mddx Blind
Mary Barnett   27 niece
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:48 BST (UK): Yes, that's her. Is a street given? I love to collect streets!
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:50 BST (UK): 1851? Address looks like [?] Bldgs, Clothes Exchange, Aldgate

Lewis Lipman    52 Aldgate, victualer and cookshop
Mary Lipman    60
Rasa [Rose] Lipman    19
Fanny Lipman    16
Jaell [Jack] Phillips    8 - godson
Hannah Nelson    16 - servant
Catherine Blumer    30 - servant

HO107, 1524, 87, 57

1861 - Stills Alley, Aldgate

Lewis Lipman    61 - coffee house keeper
Maria Lipman    70
Sarah Lipman    17 - granddaughter
Sarah Lipman    14 - granddaughter
Amelia Jacobs    7 - granddaughter
Mary Brown    30 - servant
Kitty Walley    30 - servant

RG 9, 211, 15, 26

There's a potential in 1871 in Bethnal Green, if daughter Julia on 1841 married a Joseph Lipman (there is a potential marriage in 1849) and a death very soon afterwards [added. Occupation on 1871 is discounter of Bills]
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:52 BST (UK): Thanks Mabel!
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:55 BST (UK): Can you find any deaths for Lewis and Mary Lipman? And do you reckon that it is Lewis in Bethnal Green in 1871, if so please post the details!
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:01 BST (UK): Quote from: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 21:48 BST (UK)
Yes, that's her. Is a street given? I love to collect streets!

Looks like 1 Love Court
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:01 BST (UK): The 1871 is 1a Essex Street Bethnal Green

Joseph Lipman 44
Julia wife 43
Sarah daughter 18
Mary A daughter 16
Barnett son 12
Lewis son 11
Moss son 10
Esther daughter 9
Rebecca daughter 6
John son 4
Jessie daughter 2
Lewis father in law 73 widower
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:03 BST (UK): There's a death in Hackney Lewis Lipman Jun 1883 age 80.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:05 BST (UK): Thanks Milliepede! And thanks Groom for that street.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:05 BST (UK): So where's Lewis in 1881 if he died in 1883?
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:05 BST (UK): They're all listed as b Spitalfields, but Julia is from Aldgate on previous censuses. Address 1a Essex St

Joseph Lipman    44 - cellerman, Forresters music hall
Julia Lipman    43
Sarah Lipman    18
Mary A Lipman    16
Barnett Lipman    12
Lewis Lipman    11
Moss Lipman    10
Esther Lipman    9
Rebecca Lipman    6
John Lipman    4
Jessie Lipman    2
Lewis Lipman    73 - father in law. Widower

RG10; 487; 47; 12

Louis Lipman
Q2 1871
Age    73
Bethnal Green Vol 1c, p153

LIPMAN, MARY      age 78
Q3 1865 EAST LONDON Volume 01C Page 8
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:07 BST (UK): Mary Lipman Sep 1865 East London age 78 maybe her death.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:09 BST (UK): Yes, I reckon so. It does seem likely. I'm gathering this information because I'm buying the marriage certificate of Morris Lipman and Rosetta Franks from 1844 (synagogue transcript was not much help) and these are all supposed to be their parents, with the exception of Benjamin Franks who died in 1831.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:10 BST (UK): Quote from: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:05 BST (UK)
So where's Lewis in 1881 if he died in 1883?

The one who dies Hackney 1883 is in a Jewish institute in 1881 - b Royal Mint st, City (transcribed as Lewis). ALso there 1871 and unmarried
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:12 BST (UK): Yep, so that rules it out. Lewis Lipman died in 1871 and his wife in 1865. I'll add those to the list if confirmation is provided by Morris' marriage certificate.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: Milliepede on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:13 BST (UK): Yes I had the wrong Lewis - your Louis death looks correct Mabel.
Title: Re: Franks and Lipman lookups
Post by: MacGrigor on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:18 BST (UK): Well thanks for all of the help! I've got a list of information on standby to incorporate depending on the marriage certificate.

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