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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Shar10 on Wednesday 18 July 18 13:23 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have been helped on here researching my family and wondered if anyone could help again, I am looking for a George Sinclair Hall who lived in Manchester but we discovered he was actually born in Scotland. about 1885-86.
we have a birth registration for his sister Barbara born 1st April 1884linlithgow dalmeny we assume George was born in the same place their parents were George Hall and Elizabeth Sinclair married in November not sure if 1883 or 84. her mother was called Margaret could have been Gunn.
we have looked on ancestry .co that's where we got most of our info also on scotlands people as someone kindly looked on there for us, we have since registered with Scotlands people but haven't yet found anything that matches and it could cost a lot of money to go through them all.its a long shot I know but hopefully someone more experienced than me could find something however small we would be very thank full.
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For others looking can I confirm this is the family on 1901 census
65 Maskell Street Manchester
Elizabeth Hall widow 41 Wick Caithness Scotland
Margaret Sinclair mother 67 Dunnett
Barbara Hall dau 16 Edinburgh
George S Hall son 15 Edinburgh
plus several boarders
RG13; Piece: 3695; Folio: 18; Page: 27
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This is a possible, closest with yr & location given as Edinburgh?
HALL GEORGE 1885
685/4 47 St Giles (Midlthian)
Annie
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thank you both for your reply I much appreciate it.
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Not seeing a Hall/Sinclair marriage that fits. Did this take place in Scotland?
Isobel
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This looks like it might be him.
Isobel
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we have looked on ancestry .co that's where we got most of our info also on scotlands people as someone kindly looked on there for us, we have since registered with Scotlands people but haven't yet found anything that matches
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
Do not trust anything you find online, and especially on Ancestry and similar sites, unless it's an image of an original document.
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This looks like it might be him.
Thats a good find Isobel - I have to say I did wonder if that was a possibility he would have been born after his sister Barbara we have a birth registration for his sister Barbara born 1st April 1884 linlithgow dalmeny
If this is the correct death entry the dob matches the baptism record you have posted
George Sinclair Hall Death Age: 84
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1886
Jun 1970 Manchester Lancashire
Volume: 10e Page: 131
Edit ~ Sharl10
Did your George marry Alice F Whaite in 1915?
From Lancashire BMD
HALL George Sinclair
WHAITE Alice Florence
1915 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended
Did they have a son born Sep qtr.1918?
Hall John A mmn Whait Chorlton 8c 1180
Do you have the family on the 1891 census?
Can you give more details of George Hall & Elizabeth nee Sinclair's dau Barbara's 1884 birth/baptism
What was her father George's occupation?
When/Where did George Hall die as Elizabeth is a widow on 1901 census
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we have a birth registration for his sister Barbara born 1st April 1884 linlithgow dalmeny
In which case you have incorrect information. Barbara was born on 15 November 1884 and her parents claim to have been married on 1 April 1884. However there is no such marriage in the index at Scotland's People.
The subsequent registration of George as illegitimate suggests that the marriage never actually took place.
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I wonder if choosing April 1st as the date of marriage was intentional!
Isobel
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On the birth record for George Sinclair as posted by Isobel reply 5 his mother
Elizabeth Sinclair is noted as dau of a seaman
If this is the same Elizabeth Hall/Margaret Sinclair as per 1901 census below
living Wick Caithness in 1861 her father George’s occ Ag Labourer
we have looked on ancestry that's where we got most of our info
Is this the info. you have found on Anc*Y?
1861 Parish: Wick; ED: 3; Page: 4
George Sinclair 32 Halkirk occ Ag Lab.
Margaret Sinclair 30 Orkney Wales
Jenn Sinclair 3 Dunnet
Elizabeth Sinclair 1 Wick
Jane Sinclair Birth 23 Nov 1857 Dunnet,Caithness,Scotland
Father: George Sinclair Mother: Margaret Gunn
Elizabeth Sinclair Birth 15 Jan 1860 Wick, Caithness,Scotland
Father: George Sinclair Mother: Margaret Gunn
1871 Parish: Wick; ED: 6; Page: 19
Geo Sinclair 45 Halkirk occ. Agent of Assasane Soer :-\ need to check original census
Margaret Sinclair 39 Orkney
Jane Sinclair 13 Dunnet
Elizabeth Sinclair 11 Wick
Barbara Sinclair 6 Wick
Geo Sinclair 15 Latheron, Lodger
Barbara Sinclair Birth 23 Dec 1864 Wick, Caithness,Scotland
Father: George Sinclair Mother: Margaret Gunn
Can anyone spot the Sinclair's on 1881 census?
For others looking can I confirm this is the family on 1901 census
65 Maskell Street Manchester
Elizabeth Hall widow 41 Wick Caithness Scotland
Margaret Sinclair mother 67 Dunnett
Barbara Hall dau 16 Edinburgh
George S Hall son 15 Edinburgh
plus several boarders
RG13; Piece: 3695; Folio: 18; Page: 27
Can anyone spot the above family on 1891 census ?
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1881 census The Sinclair Family George Margaret Elizabeth and Barbara are living on 30 Chalmers Street
St Cuthbert's Edinburgh with 3 lodgers and 1 visitor
This was from LDS Census on Scotland People
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And in 1891 living as boarders in the house of James Richardson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:49W6-CW2
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1881 census The Sinclair Family George Margaret Elizabeth and Barbara are living on 30 Chalmers Street St Cuthbert's Edinburgh with 3 lodgers and 1 visitor
This is from the CD-ROM
30 Chalmers Street, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
George SINCLAIR Head 54 Ironman Agent Halkirk, Caithness
Margaret SINCLAIR Wife 45 Longhope, Orkney
Elizabeth SINCLAIR Dau 21 Wick, Caithness
Barbara SINCLAIR Dau 16 Wick, Caithness
John LESSELS Lodger 22 Law Student Edinburgh
Kenuth F (Constable) BROWN Lodger 25 Student Of Medicine Cheltingham, England
Thomas ARMSTRONG Visitor 21 Student Of Medicine Skirling, Peebles
George B BATTEN Lodger 20 Student Of Medicine India
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1881 census The Sinclair Family George Margaret Elizabeth and Barbara are living on 30 Chalmers Street St Cuthbert's Edinburgh with 3 lodgers and 1 visitor
This is from the CD-ROM
30 Chalmers Street, Edinburgh St Cuthberts
George SINCLAIR Head 54 Ironman Agent Halkirk, Caithness
Margaret SINCLAIR Wife 45 Longhope, Orkney
Elizabeth SINCLAIR Dau 21 Wick, Caithness
Barbara SINCLAIR Dau 16 Wick, Caithness
John LESSELS Lodger 22 Law Student Edinburgh
Kenuth F (Constable) BROWN Lodger 25 Student Of Medicine Cheltingham, England
Thomas ARMSTRONG Visitor 21 Student Of Medicine Skirling, Peebles
George B BATTEN Lodger 20 Student Of Medicine India
And in 1891 living as boarders in the house of James Richardson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:49W6-CW2
Thank you - I just couldn't spot them :)
1891 RG12; Piece: 2830; Folio: 19; Page: 10 - Village Rd
Margeret Sinclare Widow Boarder 54 Scotland Restaurant Keeper
Elizabth Hall ditto Boarder 32 Scotland
Berhera Hall Boarder 6 Scotland
George Hall Boarder 5 Scotland
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thank you everyone for their replies.thank you Forfarin for the warning I have read the post, we were beginning to think George juniors parents didn't get married as we cannot find any record of the marriage, but his name was George Sinclair Hall so maybe the marriage took place later or he was just given his fathers nme. although his sister Barbara was born first and she was Barbara Hall.
yes George junior did die in Manchester and he did marry Alice Whaite and they had a son John.
we do not know George seniors occupation for sure but think he could have been a collier and we do not know when he died. thanks again for all the replies.
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thank you lady hawk and forfarin for the census results, I wrote down the wrong date for the marriage it was in November not april
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The birthdate of George S Hall in the 1939 register ( with wife Alice F) matches that on the 1970 death of George Sinclair Hall found by Ladyhawk and also the date on the 1886 Dalmeny birth certificate for George Sinclair.
Isobel
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we have a birth registration for his sister Barbara born 1st April 1884 linlithgow dalmeny
Birth registration ???
This implied you had a birth cert. which doesn't help people trying to help if they don't actually know what source you're using i.e. not a birth cert. but something else.
It's always best to quote what you actually have to further your research ;)
Annie
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The birthdate of George S Hall in the 1939 register ( with wife Alice F) matches that on the 1970 death of George Sinclair Hall found by Ladyhawk and also the date on the 1886 Dalmeny birth certificate for George Sinclair.
for info.
Probably death for George’s wife Alice, the cemetery section and grave number are the same as for the 1970 death entry for George Sinclair Hall
Alice Florence Hall age 83
Burial Date: 18 Jan 1973
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Cemetery: Gorton Cemetery
Cemetery Section: G
Grave Number: 216
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
On death registration index gives Alice's dob 4 Nov 1889,
If you search FreeBMD there are other Hall births registered in Chorlton/Manchester S
with mmn Whaite between 1916 - 1934
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thank you for your time in getting me the info most grateful