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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Brennan04 on Friday 20 July 18 19:42 BST (UK)
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I've been searching for a while for some more information on a John Pelly. I'm specifically looking to see if I can find his parents and or siblings names and I can't seem to come up with anything (but I am a beginner at genealogy so I'm not sure how to dig deep). So I do have some info on him. He married Ellen Sellars (sometimes sellors) who was born in 1841. They had my great grandfather Michael in 1874 (there were other children also...just have my great grandfathers info written down as of now).
Any help is greatly appreciated. If someone could just point me in the right direction that would be great!!!!
Also, we are assuming he came from the Galway area but they did end up in Dublin eventually.
Thanks again!!!!!
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Start with what you know
Michael's birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03115/2142529.pdf
born 1 George's Place, father a labourer.
Find the eldest child to get an idea when the parents married, the marriage will give father's names.
Do you know what religion they were?
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John Joseph born 1865
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03543/2304322.pdf
8 Geroge's Place
I don't see any children in 1864 so any earlier children won't have birth certs. Civil Registration started in 1864.
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Looks like Ellen was still alive in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Georges_Place/1340276/
gives birth place as Ballinasloe, good chance John came from the same area, also she is RC so parish registers will hopefully cover the dates needed.
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They would be catholic:-). I’ve tried to locate marriage records for John and Ellen thinking that would give me parents names but all I keep coming up with is their children and their birth records.
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1911 gives a few more clues, 6 children 3 living.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/George_s_Place/75501/
John is dead so if 1901 is correct he died some time between the censuses.
Married 30 years, but is that from the time of the census or the time of John's death.
30 years would only be c1881 so that can't be the correct Ellen.
This isn't adding up, if she is 79 in 1911 she would have married at 49, hardly had 6 children from 49 onwards.
Something isn't right.
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Have you looked through these?
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0324
Oh dear no marriages after 1841
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I did take a look at the microfilms but there is so much to take in and so difficult to read:-(. Unfortunately I just may ever know. I just have not come up with anything other than his children's baptisms:-(
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1911 gives a few more clues, 6 children 3 living.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/George_s_Place/75501/
John is dead so if 1901 is correct he died some time between the censuses.
Married 30 years, but is that from the time of the census or the time of John's death.
30 years would only be c1881 so that can't be the correct Ellen.
This isn't adding up, if she is 79 in 1911 she would have married at 49, hardly had 6 children from 49 onwards.
Something isn't right.
I'm assuming that they misread 70 as 79 as I have her birthdate as 1841 and in 1901 she was 60:-)
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Looks like she died in 1928 with age given as 82, so born early 1840s but clearly married about 50 years in 1911 not 30. It's not helping to find the marriage though.
Roots Ireland don't make it clear if there is a gap in their marriage records for Ballinasloe. I can see both surnames on the free search for East Galway for around 1840 and 1860 but nothing when I add the first names.
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No Marriage in Church records
/churchrecords.irishgenealogy.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mdw/
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https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0324&parish=Ballinasloe shows
Marriages 1853-1902
LDS Family history library
British Film Area British Film Area 1279205
https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/007732605?cat=529425
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Porkie Pies
John Pelley as spelt seems to have died 1893 age 60 and is buried in Glasnevin
his name still registers when you enter 9 Georges Place into address box
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
His death does not seem to be registered though his grandson John son of Michael and Mary Healy is in 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05884/4668957.pdf
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Found his death cert died from Brights disease age 42 ?
transcribed as John Petty
number 41 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05995/4705505.pdf
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They appear to be at 22 Cork St, August 1863
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me2/
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Found his death cert died from Brights disease age 42 ?
transcribed as John Petty
number 41 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05995/4705505.pdf
First, thank you so much for helping!! Second, any ideas why there would be such a discrepancy with the age? At first I thought maybe it was his son but that doesn't make sense either. I know there was a difference in Ellen's age also in the census.
At least I know now about the year of his birth and marriage 1833 and 1863... going off glasnevins age). I will more than likely purchase the info off glasnevins site to see if it has any more info. Thank you!!!!!
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Also, when I Search the glasnevin site, is there a way to search without being so specific? And what I mean by that is when I do search I have to be very specific... like I have to know dates and exact spellings (even if it’s wrong:-). Thank you!!!!
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if you use advanced search
put one of the vowels into first name box and change to ''contains''
put Pel into surname box and change to ''contains''
change year search to 10 years
put ''George'' into address box as part of address
there are also young Christopher and Anne buried there as 13 and 14
Christopher was baptised 1868
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me3/
however his birth was registered as Michal
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03442/2263890.pdf
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Maria/Mary born 1863 married Patrick Macken 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10918/5988678.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Wood_Quay/Great_Ship_Street__Part_/1341304/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Wood_Quay__part_of_/Bride_Street/82264/
John Keeley and Catherine Pelly 1880 (born circa 1862 )
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11035/8035641.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mansion_House/Mercer_Street_Upper/1343424/
1911 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Summerhill/29117/
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in the village of kiltormer in the old graveyard , there is a headstone with pellys on it. no idea who is buried there. i think one of the men was a sergeant in the gardai . also there was a cardinal McIntyre who was from los angeles who came to kiltormer in1954 . he visited his maternal grandfathers home, his grandfather was a john pelly.
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there where also sellers in kiltormer as well. the lived in the townland of lisheenguile. don't know if they married or not. there where two houses of them across from each other. one house is gone but the shell of the other one i think is still there. they are buried in the old graveyard , but don't know if there are headstones. lisheenguile is 3 miles out side the village going towards killimor. you could look up irish genealogy for free searches you may find something
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Looking at Cardinal McItyre's family tree there is a Teresa Pelly mentioned a daughter of John Pelly and Mary Brennan
Born Eyercourt Galway 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03612/2333045.pdf