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Hi All
I need some help please. My family had always been aware that my mums Great Aunt Ellen "Cissy" Cox had emigrated to the USA, my mum visited her around 1970/71. When my mum was there she was sure she met a relative called Harriett, this was a mystery, until now....
It turns out that Ellen's Uncle, Harvey Martin was already in the USA when she moved there. I cant find a passenger record for him but he was born in Braughing, Herts in 1867 and died in Washington State in 1937. He married an English girl, Agnes Sager in 1892 in Thurston. I do not have access to any USA records and it would be great if someone could let me have more information on their life in the USA, I do believe they had a daughter, called Harriett and this may well be the lady my mum met on her travels.
Thank you all and sorry if i dont reply today to any replies.
Adam
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This looks like the family -
1900 census Rochester, Thurston, Washington.
Harvey Martin 32 Immigrated 1889
Agness Martin 26
Walter Martin 5
Rose Martin 3
Alfred Martin 5 months
Jacob W Tripp 56
There was a H F Martin - aged 21 years - on a New York Passenger List 27 September 1889 - Britannic - Liverpool to New York. (have just seen an image not the actual list)
1910 census West Bay Avenue Olympia Ward 6, Thurston, Washington.
Harvey Martin 40
Agness A Martin 36
Walter Martin 15
Rose Martin 13
Alford Martin 10
Harriet M Martin 8
Ruth Martin 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MGVH-8J2
1920 census West Bay Ave Olympia Ward 6, Thurston, Washington.
H Martin 50
Alfred Martin 20
Harriett Martin 16
Ruth Martin 12
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHF8-XLK
WW1 Draft for Walter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:29JC-1T6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-91W5-ZDF?cc=1968530
WW2 Draft for Walter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X5RP-CPD
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-67PS-1JQ?i=537&cc=1861144
1930 census Hawthorne, Passaic, New Jersey.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4FD-D98
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RZD-HTR?cc=1810731
1940 census Hawthorne Borough, Passaic, New Jersey.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4T5-BND
U.S., Headstone Applications for Military Veterans, 1925-1963 for Walter Martin - Application for Headstone/Marker - Enlistment date - 26 August 1917 - Discharge 8 September 1919 -
Walter passed away 29 June 1957
Burial Holy Sepulchre Cemetery - Totowa Boro, New Jersey -
Mrs Mary Martin - 63 Florence Avenue. Hawthorne. New Jersey.
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Washington, Marriage Records, 1854-2013
Harriet Martin born 1902 Rochester, Washington and aged 22 years - married Willian Kriener 13 December 1924 - Olympia, Thurston, Washington. Father - Harvy Martin - Mother Agnes Martin
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Harriet M. Kriener - 10 Sep 1902 passed away 18 November 2003
Last Residence 98501 Olympia, Thurston, Washington. SSN issued Washington - Before 1951
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/492D6B32DFB71F6B3EC3012A8FEDFE33
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/594342D81FE777B7F3AF8C62DD3D2DF1
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Harriet Mae Martin Kriener - 1902 -2003 (aged 100–101 years old)
Burial - Odd Fellows Memorial Park and Mausoleum Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot Block 91 Lot 37
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35353847
William J Kriener - 1904 - 2004
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35353870/william-j-kriener
obituary listed - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVRB-RCYJ
son - Ronald William Kriener - 1927 - 16 July 1928
Odd Fellows Memorial Park and Mausoleum Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot Block 91 Lot 36
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35352510/ronald-william-kriener
Richard Harvey Kriener - 1929 - 1929
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/ADE46D71342BCBDA5FF840E35E264C7E
Odd Fellows Memorial Park and Mausoleum Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot Block 91 Lot 36
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35353678/richard-harvey-kriener
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1930 census Yelm Road Hays, Thurston, Washington.
William Kriener 25
Harriet Kriener 27
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCQ6-RLL
1940 census Olympia Yelm Hays, Thurston, Washington.
William J Kriener 35
Harriet M Kriener 37
Son D L Kriener 9
Daughter J L Kriener 6
Daughter J M Kriener 4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9SJ-PMB
You may find some of the children listed in https://www.whitepages.com/
Sandra
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Harvey Martin married Agnes Sagar - 11 June 1892 - Agnes daughter of Hanson Sagar and Anna Beadshaw.
Agnes passed away Olympia, Thurston 27 September 1910. Informant Harvey Martin. Cancer of the stomach. :'(
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/C04FD3D53CD9AA0DA8A9B515A2418981
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N32T-XFK
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCW9-WV4
FIND A GRAVE
Harvey Martin 1868 passed away 21 Dec 1937 (aged 68–69)
Burial Odd Fellows Memorial Park and Mausoleum Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington,
Plot block 95 lot 40
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38194357
Agnes
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38194200/agnes-ellen-martin
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Alfred Martin born 3 January 1900 Thurston Washington.
Alfred Martin - son of Harvey and Agnes -
Alfred married Frances Anderson 18 December 1947 - Registration Place Chehalis, Lewis, Washington.
Alfred parents - Harvey Martin - Mother's Name Agnes Saeger
Frances parents Tom Holman - Minnie Johnson.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLN3-2JY
Alfred 3 Jan 1900 - October 1975 - Last Residence 98531 Centralia, Lewis, Washington.
SSN issued Washington (Before 1951)
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/AA508A1C1EEEA84A35ED8C90E894AD72
Sandra
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Death Record Rose Ellen Hawkes
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/FE4BBDEC12F872F33ECFD13366A61882
FIND A GRAVE
Rose Ellen Martin Hawkes - 3 Sep 1895 passed away 17 August 1936 (aged 40 years)
Wenatchee, Chelan County, Washington.
Burial - Masonic Memorial Park Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot Block 91, Lot 2, Grave 5N, Row 57
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104018382
William Henry Hawks - born 11 March 1892 - passed away 9 April 1945 (aged 53 years)
Wenatchee, Chelan County, Washington.
Burial - Masonic Memorial Park Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot Block 91, Lot 2, Grave 3N, Row 57
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104018384/william-henry-hawks
Death Record -
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/CCE2B70F158B39924522313F5B025F45
Children _
Betty Jane Hawkes Roehl - 1925–2005 (obituary attached)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35796743/betty-jane-roehl
Death Record for Betty
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/C009ACB726DACF5CFDB4C92F536C3A5D
Margaret Ellen Hawkes Johnson - 1926–2003 (obituary attached)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/27934042/margaret-ellen-johnson
Death Record Margaret.
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/636DDDB210238114E3891E9DE4515BA0
Robert Oliver Hawkes - 1927–2004
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/90823875/robert-oliver-hawkes
Death Record Robert Oliver Hawkes
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/B0FAF87FCF9B08494D1DA0C06C794C30
Barbara Ann Hawks Chambers - 1929–2014
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141320592/barbara-ann-chambers
Death Record Barbara Ann Chambers
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/0DA51C6FCD4BF39EE64298E7949512DA
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1930 Census Malaga Ave Wenatchee, Chelan, Washington.
William H Hawkes 38
Rose E Hawkes 34
William H Hawkes 6
Betty J Hawkes 5
Margaret E Hawkes 3
Robert O Hawkes 2
Barbara A Hawkes 0
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCSV-LLY
1940 census Wenatchee, Chelan, Washington.
William 48
William J 16 Betty 15
Margaret 14 Robert 12
Barbara 10
Daughter 6 (note - husband Luke Cassario passed away 2010)
Catherine Albares 52 widowed housekeeper.
George Albares 22
Catherine Albares 20
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Robert Oliver Hawks - son of Rose Martin and William Hawkes
FIND A GRAVE
25 March 1927 - 11 September 2004
Wenatchee City Cemetery Wenatchee, Chelan County, Washington.
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Daughter Barbara Ann nee Hawkes Chambers - 25 March 1927 - 7 August 2014
FIND A GRAVE
Masonic Memorial Park Tumwater, Thurston County, Washington.
Plot block 91, row 57, lot 2-3N
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141320592
daughter Margaret Ellen Hawkes Johnson - 25 November 1926 - 28 August 2003 (with obituary)
Evergreen Memorial Park East Wenatchee, Douglas County, Washington.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/27934042/margaret-ellen-johnson
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Daughter Betty J Hawkes married Richard Roehl 19 September 1946 Chelan, Washington.
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Betty Jane Hawkes - Betty Jane Roehl - Betty Roehl - 25 March 1925 - 7 June 2005 -
Last Residence 98801 Wenatchee, Chelan, Washington.
Wenatchee, Washington, Obituary Index, 1888-2009 - Betty J Hawkes Roehl -
https://wags-web.org/cpage.php?pt=65
Sandra
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"I do not have access to any USA records"
Just for future reference, FamilySearch is free and has more than 1000 U.S. data sets.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?fcs=region%3AUNITED_STATES&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES
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Part of probate for Harvey Martin
Sandra
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Walter Martin mentioned in reply 1 - FIND A GRAVE 1894 - 1957
Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Totowa, Passaic County, New Jersey.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170044691
Wife Mary - 1898 - 1974
Last Residence 07506 Hawthorne, Passaic, New Jersey
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170044691#view-photo=145731583
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DK-NPV1
Sandra
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Harvey Martin shows on a New York passenger List Southampton to New York on the Olympia arriving New York on 7th August 1928 - Harvey was aged 60 years and widowed. Address in the USA was Westbury Avenue. Olympia. Washington. Passport issued Superior Court Chehalis Washington.
Also appears on New York passenger List - Southampton to New York on the Berengaria arriving 12 October 1923 - Harvey Martin was 54 years old - going to Olympia Washington.
Sandra
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It turns out that Ellen's Uncle, Harvey Martin was already in the USA when she moved there. I cant find a passenger record for him but he was born in Braughing, Herts in 1867 and died in Washington State in 1937. He married an English girl, Agnes Sager in 1892 in Thurston. I do not have access to any USA records and it would be great if someone could let me have more information on their life in the USA,
Censuses state Harvey immigrated 1888/1889 and was naturalized in 1890. His wife Agnes immigrated in 1890.
Harvey Naturalization: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mdy/
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His wife Agnes with her family immigrating in 1890.
Passenger List: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPN-9VS1
In 1900 census Harvey & Agnes are living next to her parents & siblings.
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMP1-WB3
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Harvey died in Palm Springs , Riverside County (county code 33), California 1n 1937.
CADI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKS9-H96K
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Olympia Daily Recorder
Olympia, Washington
September 27, 1910
MRS. HARVEY MARTIN
DIES AT HOME
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Mrs. Harvey Martin, wife of Harvey Martin. the well known mill man of the firm of Bryant & Martin of Rainer, died yesterday afternoon at the family residence at 836 West Bay avenue, from a complication of diseases. Mrs. Martin has been ill for the past two months. She five children and her husband. The services have not as yet been set.
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Morning Olympian
Olympia, Washington
December 23, 1937.
HARVEY MARTIN DIES
ON CALIFORNIA TRIP
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Harvey Martin, 1972 a resident of this city for the past 52 years, died at Palm Springs, Cal, Tuesday morning Mr. Martin had gone south for his health, but his death was unexpected as his family had not considered his condition serious. He was formerly millwright for the Buchanan Lumber company.
He is survived by two son Walter, New Jersey, and Alfred, here, two daughters, Mrs William Kreiner, of Olympia and Mrs. P.W. Aucoin of Seattle, a niece Mrs C.B. Ruchty, Grandview, 13 grandchildren
Arrangements are being made to bring the body to this city with Mills & Mills taking care of the details.
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Morning Olympian
Olympia, Washington
December 28, 1937
MARTIN FUNERAL TO
BE HELD TUESDAY
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Rev.Samuel Everton will conduct funeral services from the Mills and Mills chapel Tuesday afternoon at 3 o'clock for Harvey Martin, 72 a resident of Olympia who died a Palm Springs, Cal last Tuesday. Internment will be in the Odd Fellows cemetery. Mr. Martin who had resided here for the past 52 years was
connected with the Buchanan Lumber company. He is survived by two son Walter, New Jersey, and Alfred, here, two daughters, Mrs William Kreiner, of Olympia and Mrs. Percy W. Aucoin, Seattle. There are 13 grandchildren.
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I do not have access to any USA records and it would be great if someone could let me have more information on their life in the USA, I do believe they had a daughter, called Harriett and this may well be the lady my mum met on her travels.
Here's a nice article about Harvey's travels after he retired. Does his sister's name " Mrs Drage " ring a bell?
Morning Olympian
Olympia, Washington
August 30, 1928
Olympia Man Returns
After Two Years Abroad
Mr. and Mrs. Percy Aucion have as their house guest Harvey Martin, former Olympia resident who has been in England and France for the past two years.
Mr. Martin visited a number of points of interest in the United States return, including Niagara Falls, Pike's Peak and Yellowstone National Park.
Mr Martin was accompanied on his return to the United States by his sister, Mrs Drage of England who is visiting relatives in Grandview before coming to Olympia.
Mr Martin plans to visit in Wenatchee and will spend the winter in California.
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Mr Martin was accompanied on his return to the United States by his sister, Mrs Drage of England who is visiting relatives in Grandview before coming to Olympia.
It appears the "Mrs Drage" is Harvey's sister Sarah. Also it appears Sarah's daughter lives in Washington State too. That would be the niece Mrs C.B. Ruchty, Grandview, mentioned in Harvey's obit.
1871 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF66-DFT
1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-KF53
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Harvey and Sarah both appear on the ship "Olympic" arriving in New York 7 Aug. 1928.
Harvey ship list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24XM-S2H
Sarah ship list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24XM-SD8
Sarah appears on line 3 of images 167 & 168 (use arrow to advance)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95WV-94B1?i=166&cc=1923888
She going to visit her daughter Mrs. Ruchty in Grandview, Washington
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It appears this Mrs. Ruchty is the "Great Aunt Ellen "Cissy" Cox" in the original post?
Marriage: (see attached)
She is buried with her husband Harvey B Ruchty.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60526977
She remarried in 1969 to Elmer Ross after her husband died in 1961 .
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLHF-LMK9
WADI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLW9-3NM8
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Just in case you haven't followed sister Sarah Martin in the UK yet................
Sarah Martin (spinster) married Edgar Henry Cox - Islington - 1b 302 - registered March 1890
30 March 1890 - St Andrew, Barnsbury, Islington. Father. - Ezekiel Walter Martin
Spouse Edgar Henry Cox - bachelor - engine fitter -
1891 census St Marylebone, London.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3YJZ-L3Z
1901 census shows the couple in St Marylebone, London, Middlesex.
Edgar H Cox 36 Sarah Cox 29
George E Cox 10 Ellen M Cox 8
Harriett Cox 6 Martin Cox 4
Edgar Cox 2
Sarah was widowed by 1911 - Edgar Henry Cox aged 44 years - death registered March 1909 -
Fulham - 1 a 178
Sarah remarried to Albert E Drage - marriage registered March 1915 - Fulham London - 1a 546
Sarah Drage passed away Bishop Storford Hertfordshire - death registered September 1959 - volume 4b page 18.
Albert Edward Drage of Croft Hare Street near Buntingford Hertfordshire died 6 October 1929 - administration London 19 July 1930 to Sarah Drage (widow) - effects £23 17 s. (Registry London, England)
Royston Hertfordshire - registered December 1929 - 3 a 777
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVHM-6HY3
Sandra
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It appears this Mrs. Ruchty is the "Great Aunt Ellen "Cissy" Cox" in the original post?
Marriage: (see attached)
She is buried with her husband Harvey B Ruchty.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60526977
Here's the full transcribed marriage article for Ellen "Cissy" Cox. It appears her husband to be, Harvey Ruchty, worked with her Uncle Harvey Martin at Buchanan Lumber.
Olympia Daily Recorder
Olympia, Washington
September 4, 1916
Miss Cisse Ellen Cox and Harvey Burton Ruchty were married at noon Saturday at the home of the brides uncle Harvey Martin on the West Side by Rev. J.C. Baker bride was attended by Miss Lillian Pearl Ruchty, a sister of the groom and Walter Martin acted as best man.
In the afternoon following the wedding ceremony the young couple were tendered a reception by their friends at the Martin home.
The employes of the the Buchanan Lumber company came to the home in a body and J.L Bicker on behalf of the men presented the couple with a library table and two rockers. The groom is an employee of the Buchanan Lumber company and the couple will go at once to be their new home on Brawne avenue.
The bride has been a resident of Olympia for about three years. She is formerly of London, England
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George Edgar Richty - son of Harvey and Cissy - 29 Nov 1921 - 9 Feb 1951 -
Interment date - 23 Oct 1951 - U.S. Veterans' Gravesites - Ft. Lawton Post Cemetery. Section I Site 164
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/20172664/george-edgar-ruchty
George was a Korean War Casualty (Died of wounds) Rank Master Sergeant. Service ID 20943810
Master Sergeant Ruchty was a member of the 19th Infantry Regiment, 24th Infantry Division. He was seriously wounded by the enemy in South Korea on February 8, 1951 and died of those wounds the following day. Master Sergeant Ruchty was awarded the Purple Heart, the Combat Infantryman's Badge, the Korean Service Medal, the United Nations Service Medal, the National Defense Service Medal and the Republic of Korea War Service Medal.
Korean War Veterans Memorial Honor Roll - George E. Ruchty
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me5/
https://www.abmc.gov/node/446193?search=korea#.W1S8pzpKgdU
Sandra
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Hazel - daughter of Harvey and Cissy -
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 - 24 April 1918 Olympia, Washington - 24 May 1994
Washington Death Index - Hazel L Albertson - 24 April 1918 - 24 May 1994 - Kennewick, Washington - Certificate Number 012304
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/C4FF61217E0A780737EB86E2579CD4CE
May 1938 - Name listed as Hazel Ruchty Jacobsen - Apr 1942: Name listed as Hazel Ruchty Meachem - Jul 1952 Name listed as Hazel L Albertson
Last Residence: 99336 Kennewick, Benton, Washington.
1940 census Grandview, Yakima, Washington - Hazel was listed as married.
Harvey B Ruchty 52 Ellen C Ruchty 42
Hazel Ruchty 21
George E Ruchty 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9ST-3JG
FIND A GRAVE
Desert Lawn Memorial Park Kennewick, Benton County, Washington.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6280140
husband Arthur Willmer Albertson - 3 November 1917 - 25 March 1997
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6280140#view-photo=213057
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6280138/arthur-willmer-albertson
Sandra
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WOW! Thank you so much, I have a lot of reading to go through!!!
Hazel Ruchty, who we end up at, is known to us, my mum stayed with her in circa 1970, she married 3 times but had no children. Her Brother George died in the korean war. Here's a pic of Hazel, if interested
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You're very welcome - pleased we could help. Happy reading. ;)
Sandra
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and to add, the Sarah Martin you mention (married Edgar Cox) is my direct link, they are my Great Great Grandparents.
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That's great - did you know that Sarah had been in the USA or was that new to you ???
Sandra
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That was news to us.
Mum knew she had met a Harriet and Bill when she was out there but we didnt know who they were, we didnt know that Ellen "Cis" Cox wasnt the first to go out there but her Uncle (who I hadnt done any research on) had already moved out there and then we found his daughter and son-in-law are Harriet and Bill (William). I have pics of them but they aren't yet scanned in.
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Really exciting for you putting all this together. That's great.
Sandra