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Title: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 19:00 BST (UK)
Despite my poor French I've managed to get a lot of information from the following site for my daughter-in-law's French relatives:

http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-en-ligne/Histoire-d-une-personne/Etat-civil/Actes

Click on Liste and then select Calais (Pas-de-Calais, France) -- Paroisse Notre-Dame in the Lieu field and then click on Rechercher

However the baptism, marriage & burial records for Notre Dame appear to end in 1792. Does anyone with a better understanding of French (which wouldn't be difficult) know if later records are available online either on that site or elsewhere?

Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 19:05 BST (UK)
What kind of record are you looking for ?
A birth record ?

http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/aa1c64e20c2d9d3b

Cote   5 MIR 193/36
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1790-an XII
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   
Paroisse Notre-Dame

Baptêmes, mariages, 1790-1792.

Naissances, 1793- an XII.

Births 1793 - an XIII

http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/9a3c115642e4ee758a773573598504f0

Cote   5 MIR 193/37
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   an XIII-1820
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Naissances, an XIII-1820 (1815 avant 1813).

Births an XIII-1820


http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/9df31c97adf6d1ae2c6cece97003bac9

Cote   5 MIR 193/38
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1820-1829
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Tables, 1820.

Naissances, 1821-1829.

Births 1821-1829


Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 19:59 BST (UK)
Sorry, I forgot to mention the burials up to 1810. So I'm looking for baptisms and marriages post 1792 and burials post 1810.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:13 BST (UK)
Sorry, I forgot to mention the burials up to 1810. So I'm looking for baptisms and marriages post 1792 and burials post 1810.

After 1792, the registers aren't kept by the Church any more.

The records online after 1792 are the births, marriages and deaths registers, not the baptisms, marriages and burials registers.



Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:14 BST (UK)
The decennial indexes

1793-1852


http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/fc1a56f27168d748

Cote   5 MIR 193/63
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1700-1852
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Tables.

Tables des Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures, 1700-1792.

Tables des naissances, mariages, décès, 1793-1812.

Tables décennales des naissances, mariages, décès, 1793-1852.

1853 - 1892

http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/557b9b7678944218

Cote   5 MIR 193/64
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1853-1892
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Tables.

Tables décennales des naissances, mariages, décès, 1853-1892.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:22 BST (UK)
http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/ff62a36471827600

Cote   5 MIR 193/7
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1811-1831
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Naissances, 1811-1831.

Births 1811-1831
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:28 BST (UK)
http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/ac00b70cf817b45e

Cote   5 MIR 193/56
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1811-1832
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Décès, 1811-1832.

Deaths 1811-1832
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:30 BST (UK)
http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/09c3a031aee78a3d83dbb49c8eb66a08

Cote   5 MIR 193/57
Lieu   Calais
Dates extrêmes   1833-1846
Note   

Une partie du territoire de Saint-Pierre a été annexée à celui de Calais, par décret du 10 janvier 1876. La commune elle-même a été réunie à celle de Calais par une loi du 29 janvier 1885.
Contenu   

Décès, 1833-1846.

Deaths 1833-1846
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 20:30 BST (UK)
OK, I did see those on a general Calais search, but they appear to be of Sainte-Pierre rather than Notre Dame. Is that correct? Or is Sainte-Pierre an area rather than a parish and in includes Notre dame?
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:36 BST (UK)
Parish = religious records = before 1792

Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais was a village near Calais and nowadays it's a part a Calais.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_Saint-Pierre_(Calais)



Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:47 BST (UK)
I think I got the right links now.

Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 20:52 BST (UK)
It was a bit confusing because they included Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais in the results.

Who are the people you're looking for ?
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 21:05 BST (UK)
It was a bit confusing because they included Saint-Pierre-lès-Calais in the results.

Who are the people you're looking for ?

Too many to mention. Mainly the Gaudoin family, but also Dufurnier, De Rhiems, Castillier (or Gastillier) and others. I have spent many weeks (more like months) manually scanning through all of the Calais Notre Dame records for family members and I've found many, probably in the hundreds. Oh and also the Ille Bourbon (Reunion) records where a significant member of the Gaudoin family went, married, had children and then moved to India where they became part of the Eurasian community before returning to the UK in the 1960's.

At least my French has improved. very slightly...
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 21:15 BST (UK)
Pierre DERHEIMS married Marguerite Charlotte GAUDOIN in Calais, Notre-Dame parish, on December 17th 1769
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 21:22 BST (UK)
You should join

https://fr.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GENBOURBON/info

In Sainte-Marie (La Réunion), there is a marriage record in 1778 for Antoine GAUDOIN. He is a native of Dunkerque but his parents, Jacques GAUDOIN and Margueritte PREVOT, live in Calais

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=REUNION&commune=SAINTE-MARIE&annee=1778

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Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 21:34 BST (UK)
Pierre DERHEIMS married Marguerite Charlotte GAUDOIN in Calais, Notre-Dame parish, on December 17th 1769

Yep, got it. And five children, and the burials of three of them plus the burial of Pierre in 1781, but no burial for Margueritte Charlotte.

Also the marriage of Francois Dufurner to Marie Lousie Francoise Gaudoin in 1777 and four children and two of their  burials. I believe that they died in 1816 (Marie) and 1840 (Francois), both in Notre Dame parish, but I haven't found the records...

Their sister Marie Ann Benoite Gaudoin (baptised 16 April 1752) married someone called Castillier/Gastillier. She died 5 August 1806. Apart from the baptism all the information I have on her and her husband is from the will of their sister Anne Genevieve Hypolite Gaudoin (baptised 23 December 1745), who was buried in Grat Baddow, Essex in 1810, just a few miles from where I live. Small world...

The Gaudoins are an interesting family of traders that I've traced from Jaques (born circa 1670), who married Margueritte Piterne in 1697 in Notre Dame, Calais to India (mainly Madras) and back to the UK.

More work to do though.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 21:38 BST (UK)
You should join

https://fr.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/GENBOURBON/info

In Sainte-Marie (La Réunion), there is a marriage record in 1778 for Antoine GAUDOIN. He is a native of Dunkerque but his parents, Jacques GAUDOIN and Margueritte PREVOT, live in Calais

http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/osd.php?territoire=REUNION&commune=SAINTE-MARIE&annee=1778

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Yes, he was Jaques Antoine Francois Gaudoin, baptised 7 July 1753 at Notre dame, Calais, the youngest of eleven children born to Jaques Gaudoin and Magdaleine (somethimes Margueritte) Genevieve Prevost.

He was a trader, merchant and auctioneer and was the first Gaudoin in India, arriving circa 1785.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 21:46 BST (UK)
Her daughter Charlotte Augustine DERHEIMS got married in Paris in 1789 (the records are lost) to Jean Baptiste Marie PONTET
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 21:55 BST (UK)
Her daughter Charlotte Augustine DERHEIMS got married in Paris in 1789 (the records are lost) to Jean Baptiste Marie PONTET

My hero! Anne Genevieve Hypolite Gaudoin (she never married) mentioned "my niece Pontet who lives in Paris" in her will. Pontet has been driving me mad; I wondered is that was that her first name, a nickname or her husband's surname. Now I know. Charlotte was their eldest child, baptised in 1771.

Thanks for that. Where did you find that?
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 21:57 BST (UK)
Fonds Andriveau behind a pay wall

https://www.filae.com/andriveau-mariages
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 22:01 BST (UK)
Fonds Andriveau behind a pay wall

https://www.filae.com/andriveau-mariages

Do they have baptisms and burials too? I may have to subscribe.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 22:07 BST (UK)
I think there is a free trial

Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 22:08 BST (UK)
See

https://gw.geneanet.org/ppontet1?n=pontet&oc=&p=jean+baptiste+marie

The owner of the tree is a descendant of Charlotte Marie Augustine DERHEIMS.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 22:15 BST (UK)
I think there is a free trial

I'll try to work it out.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 22:20 BST (UK)
Ann Genevieve Hypolite Gaudoin also mentioned in her will that her sister (Mary Anne Benoite Gaudoin) Gastellier/Castellier lived at Ferriere. Do the records of Ferriere survive?
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 22:25 BST (UK)
Is it Ferrière or Ferrières ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferri%C3%A8res
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 22:33 BST (UK)
Is it Ferrière or Ferrières ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferri%C3%A8res

That was the spelling in the Bank of England translation of the will extract, so I guess it could be either if both exist. I'll check the spelling in the full French version of the will tomorrow.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 22:34 BST (UK)
Ferrières-en-Gâtinais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferri%C3%A8res-en-G%C3%A2tinais

https://gw.geneanet.org/fpetit8?n=gastellier&oc=&p=jean+baptiste+francois

Her death record

https://consultation.archives-loiret.fr/ark:/20522/s005a8c04132a927/5a8c041345e87.ef=11&s=39

Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: farmeroman on Sunday 22 July 18 22:42 BST (UK)
Ferrières-en-Gâtinais https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferri%C3%A8res-en-G%C3%A2tinais

https://gw.geneanet.org/fpetit8?n=gastellier&oc=&p=jean+baptiste+francois

Her death record

https://consultation.archives-loiret.fr/ark:/20522/s005a8c04132a927/5a8c041345e87.ef=11&s=39

Wow! You're good. Many thanks.
Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 23:12 BST (UK)
Interesting enough, her mother is listed as Madeleine Génévieve PROVOST DU ROSSELIN in her death record

I wonder if there is a link : https://gw.geneanet.org/vlecuyer?lang=en&pz=louis+joseph&nz=lecuyer&ocz=0&p=nicolas&n=prevost&oc=10

Title: Re: French Records - Calais, Notre Dame Parish 1793->
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 23:14 BST (UK)
https://www.gennpdc.net/lesforums/lofiversion/index.php?t126202.html