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Title: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 20:18 BST (UK)
Hello there,
I am requesting some help today please as I could not find anything like this on the internet. I am looking to find out whether I am gypsy or if not what the proper name for my type of family could be. Basically, my grandad used to go into the closest city with other family members and other local gypsy and fairground kids starting fights with people. My grandad also used to have a lot of fights with people and apparently mostly won. My dad and uncle lived in a caravan for a bit of time, I think they travelled a bit I’m not sure though. I also have a massive family who all live close to me, and we are all very close to each other and family is very important to us. We have lived on farms and countrysides for ages and we owned a lot of horses and used to have a racehorse. Apparently my surname is a gypsy surname but not everyone with my surname could be related though. My dad also allows me to drink a bit around family. I don’t think I have gypsy blood but I’m not sure so I would like help please. Thanks
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 20:52 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat. crazyshotgug69.

Is your grandfather still alive?
If he has died could you give some information about him, such as full name and where and when he died, and was born?

You have said in another post that you are from near Romsey, is that where you believe your family has always lived?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 20:59 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat. crazyshotgug69.

Is your grandfather still alive?
If he has died could you give some information about him, such as full name and where and when he died, and was born?

You have said in another post that you are from near Romsey, is that where you believe your family has always lived?
Hello thank you for helping.
My grandfather is not here anymore, his name was Barry Webb, I believe he died between January 2012 and January 2017, not sure when he was born. And yes we have have lived in the countryside area around romsey for as far as I can think of, mostly around areas such as Carters Clay, Lockerley, Awbridge and most areas around there.
Thanks
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:04 BST (UK)
Approximate age at death?

Has his wife died, and any details for her if so?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:05 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat. crazyshotgug69.

Is your grandfather still alive?
If he has died could you give some information about him, such as full name and where and when he died, and was born?

You have said in another post that you are from near Romsey, is that where you believe your family has always lived?
Also if it may help anymore, my dad has always been interested in buying a caravan, and my family is very gypsy-like. Also I feel I get on better with a gypsy family near me than most people.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:07 BST (UK)
There was a Barry N Webb living at Carters Clay Farm in 2006 - your grandfather, or  father or uncle?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:09 BST (UK)
Barry Norman Webb died in 2014 in Salisbury hospital - your grandfather?

Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:10 BST (UK)
Approximate age at death?

Has his wife died, and any details for her if so?
His wife has not died, and his approximate age of death I cannot work out but his wife is 70 this year and they were in the same year at school so he would of been around 70 this year.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:10 BST (UK)
Barry Norman Webb died in 2014 in Salisbury hospital - your grandfather?
Yes that’s him
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:10 BST (UK)
There was a Barry N Webb living at Carters Clay Farm in 2006 - your grandfather, or  father or uncle?
Grandfather for sure
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:14 BST (UK)
His birth:
Births December quarter 1948 
Barry N Webb,  mother's maiden name  Hillier    Romsey
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:16 BST (UK)
Do you know if these are your great grandparents?

Marriages September quarter 1945
Margery S   Hillier    Romsey    2c   287   
Arthur N Webb    Romsey    2c   287
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:17 BST (UK)
His birth:
Births December quarter 1948 
Barry N Webb,  mother's maiden name  Hillier    Romsey
Definitely him
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:18 BST (UK)
Do you know if these are your great grandparents?

Marriages September quarter 1945
Margery S   Hillier    Romsey    2c   287   
Arthur N Webb    Romsey    2c   287
Yes they are
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:29 BST (UK)
Margery's death:
Mrs Margery Stella Webb age 81, born 24th October 1926
Died 6th April 2007 at Romsey, Hampshire, England

Arthur N Webb's birth?
Births March quarter 1926 
Arthur N Webb mother's maiden name  Willmott    Romsey    2c   180
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:30 BST (UK)
Margery's death:
Mrs Margery Stella Webb age 81, born 24th October 1926
Died 6th April 2007 at Romsey, Hampshire, England

Arthur N Webb's birth?
Births March quarter 1926 
Arthur N Webb mother's maiden name  Willmott    Romsey    2c   180
Yep that’s correct
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Thursday 26 July 18 21:35 BST (UK)
This Webb family is in a public tree on Ancestry - Arthur died in 2011 in Sherfield English.

How much have you talked to your relatives about your ancestors?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 21:37 BST (UK)
This Webb family is in a public tree on Ancestry - Arthur died in 2011 in Sherfield English.

How much have you talked to your relatives about your ancestors?
Ah yes I remember seeing a family tree my uncle created once. Could you link it please. Also when I head up my nans sometimes my dad and other family talk about people, I can’t remember too much though.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 22:00 BST (UK)
This Webb family is in a public tree on Ancestry - Arthur died in 2011 in Sherfield English.

How much have you talked to your relatives about your ancestors?
I wouldn’t mind knowing more, but I am mostly here to know whether it is possible if I could be gypsy or traveller or something of the type :D
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 26 July 18 22:22 BST (UK)
This Webb family is in a public tree on Ancestry - Arthur died in 2011 in Sherfield English.

How much have you talked to your relatives about your ancestors?
I wouldn’t mind knowing more, but I am mostly here to know whether it is possible if I could be gypsy or traveller or something of the type :D

Why don't you ask an elderly relative??
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 26 July 18 22:28 BST (UK)
This Webb family is in a public tree on Ancestry - Arthur died in 2011 in Sherfield English.

How much have you talked to your relatives about your ancestors?
I wouldn’t mind knowing more, but I am mostly here to know whether it is possible if I could be gypsy or traveller or something of the type :D

Why don't you ask an elderly relative??
I have tried but they literally don’t know. I was just looking here to see if anyone could tell me.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 18:33 BST (UK)
Arthur's (1926) parents look to be Frank Webb and Emma Willmott.  There are several Frank Webb's born in Romsey, but the tree claims 1890, and that fits with 1939 register and some siblings of Arthur.

Frank Webb born 1890 has mother's maiden name Southwell, so possibly the wedding of his parents:

Marriages December quarter 1887
Hester Southwell     Romsey   
George Webb     Romsey   

George is 27, from Romsey, and Hester 25 from East Wellow, on 1891 census.

George Richard Webb born December quarter 1863 in Romsey, mother's maiden name Gear.
Parents in census Joseph and Louisa, so this marriage
Marriages June quarter 1863
 Louisa Gear        Southampton   
 Joseph Webb        Southampton   
both from Romsey in 1871 census he is 52, she is 39.

Looks like Joseph has a previous wife, Martha, showing in 1851 - he is an innkeeper in Bell Street. In 1841 he is a butcher on The Hundred with Martha.

So far the family appear to have a fairly settled life, so any travelling was done a long time ago.....
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 19:01 BST (UK)
Arthur's (1926) parents look to be Frank Webb and Emma Willmott.  There are several Frank Webb's born in Romsey, but the tree claims 1890, and that fits with 1939 register and some siblings of Arthur.

Frank Webb born 1890 has mother's maiden name Southwell, so possibly the wedding of his parents:

Marriages December quarter 1887
Hester Southwell     Romsey   
George Webb     Romsey   

George is 27, from Romsey, and Hester 25 from East Wellow, on 1891 census.

George Richard Webb born December quarter 1863 in Romsey, mother's maiden name Gear.
Parents in census Joseph and Louisa, so this marriage
Marriages June quarter 1863
 Louisa Gear        Southampton   
 Joseph Webb        Southampton   
both from Romsey in 1871 census he is 52, she is 39.

Looks like Joseph has a previous wife, Martha, showing in 1851 - he is an innkeeper in Bell Street. In 1841 he is a butcher on The Hundred with Martha.

So far the family appear to have a fairly settled life, so any travelling was done a long time ago.....
Thank you for this information, all of the surnames I now know have been listed on the gypsy surname list, is there anything you could do to go back further to see, I’m really interested. It also says that one Southwell family were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England possibly meaning they could be Irish travellers. It would be amazing if you could go back further as I really want to know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 19:16 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 19:22 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:10 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:13 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:15 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:17 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Ok thank you but what should I do because Hester Southwell cannot be found there.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 20:23 BST (UK)
This looks like the marriage to Martha, so his Father is William:

Joseph Webb  married 13th February 1839 at Romsey,Hampshire,England
Father: William Webb   Spouse: Martha Gear
FHL Film Number:   1041217

so this could be a late baptism:
Joseph Webb  Baptised 20th April 1825 at Romsey, Hampshire
Father: William Webb   Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number:   1596320
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:25 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Ok thank you but what should I do because Hester Southwell cannot be found there.


Did you check the ones that are "unknown"?

The Index was used but the certs themselves have full information...
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:27 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Ok thank you but what should I do because Hester Southwell cannot be found there.


Did you check the ones that are "unknown"?

The Index was used but the certs themselves have full information...
There is no births when she was born.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:28 BST (UK)
This looks like the marriage to Martha, so his Father is William:

Joseph Webb  married 13th February 1839 at Romsey,Hampshire,England
Father: William Webb   Spouse: Martha Gear
FHL Film Number:   1041217

so this could be a late baptism:
Joseph Webb  Baptised 20th April 1825 at Romsey, Hampshire
Father: William Webb   Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number:   1596320
Hmm that’s interested because I think I’ve heard quite a bit about a gypsy Webb family from a William and an Ann webb. Could you go back any further on Ann, William and Southwell please.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:30 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Ok thank you but what should I do because Hester Southwell cannot be found there.


Did you check the ones that are "unknown"?

The Index was used but the certs themselves have full information...
There is no births when she was born.


OK.  Not there so.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: heywood on Friday 27 July 18 20:31 BST (UK)
Hello,

Here is Hester/Esther Southwell in 1871

Piece:1204/folio 119/11
5, Shootash, East Wellow, Hampshire
George Southwell 49 yrs Wood Dealer b East Wellow
Sarah Southwell   45 yrs
Martha Southwell 21 yrs
George Southwell 12 yrs
Esther Southwell 5 yrs
Walter Southwell 1 yr

In earlier censuses, his mother Hannah is with the family. She is born in East Wellow too.

George was baptised in 1822 to Joseph and Hannah. So the family are in that place before 1822.

There is a marriage for Joseph Southwell and Hannah Long in E W 1798.

They family don not seem to be Irish or of the travelling community - unless they were settled for a very long time.


Heywood


Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 20:38 BST (UK)
There are many children for William and Ann Webb born in Romsey from 1802 onwards - could be same or 2 different couples.

There is a William and Ann Webb in Romsey Extra in 1851 census, William age 67, a dealer, and Ann is 70, both from Romsey.

This would make William about 18/19 when they married.

In that 1851 census they have a servant in their household.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:38 BST (UK)
Hello,

Here is Hester/Esther Southwell in 1871

Piece:1204/folio 119/11
5, Shootash, East Wellow, Hampshire
George Southwell 49 yrs Wood Dealer b East Wellow
Sarah Southwell   45 yrs
Martha Southwell 21 yrs
George Southwell 12 yrs
Esther Southwell 5 yrs
Walter Southwell 1 yr

In earlier censuses, his mother Hannah is with the family. She is born in East Wellow too.

George was baptised in 1822 to Joseph and Hannah. So the family are in that place before 1822.

There is a marriage for Joseph Southwell and Hannah Long in E W 1798.

They family don not seem to be Irish or of the travelling community - unless they were settled for a very long time.


Heywood
Thank you
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:41 BST (UK)
There are many children for William and Ann Webb born in Romsey from 1802 onwards - could be same or 2 different couples.

There is a William and Ann Webb in Romsey Extra in 1851 census, William age 67, a dealer, and Ann is 70, both from Romsey.

This would make William about 18/19 when they married.

In that 1851 census they have a servant in their household.
Thank you , do you know if they could be gypsy or not, I heard something like them people were married and gypsies I’m not sure though. If you can’t find anything on then then could you please continue to go back a bit. Thanks
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 20:45 BST (UK)
This might be William's baptism:

William Webb baptised 18th November 1783 at Romsey,Hampshire,
Father:  Thomas Webb    Mother:  Mary
FHL Film Number:   1041215

But really need to find a marriage of William to Ann also.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 20:47 BST (UK)
This might be William's baptism:

William Webb baptised 18th November 1783 at Romsey,Hampshire,
Father:  Thomas Webb    Mother:  Mary
FHL Film Number:   1041215

But really need to find a marriage of William to Ann also.

Thank you I am sure I have heard about them being gypsies somewhere but if you could confirm it that would be great thanks.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 21:00 BST (UK)
In the 1851 census the servant was surname Wilshire, so this is William and Ann in 1841 in Kings Somborne division
William Webb   50  Carrier, all born in County.
Ann Webb   50
William Webb   15
Ellen Webb   20
Ann Rolf   10
William Wiltshire   40

At the moment the Webb family seem rooted in Romsey and district.  They might have come from Ireland in the 1780's - does that mean that because one of them was a traveller 240 years ago the family are still travellers?

Or is there a more recent connection from one of your other ancestors?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 21:02 BST (UK)
As you appear to be local, how about getting in touch with here:

https://www.ltvas.org.uk/romsey--district-society
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 21:03 BST (UK)
In the 1851 census the servant was surname Wilshire, so this is William and Ann in 1841 in Kings Somborne division
William Webb   50  Carrier, all born in County.
Ann Webb   50
William Webb   15
Ellen Webb   20
Ann Rolf   10
William Wiltshire   40

At the moment the Webb family seem rooted in Romsey and district.  They might have come from Ireland in the 1780's - does that mean that because one of them was a traveller 240 years ago the family are still travellers?

Or is there a more recent connection from one of your other ancestors?
Thank you for this, do you know that anyone came from Ireland in the 1780’s, and I do not understand the recent connection part and things such as , carrier and all born in county
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 21:04 BST (UK)
As you appear to be local, how about getting in touch with here:

https://www.ltvas.org.uk/romsey--district-society
Ah thank you, might try that out soon, could you also please have a quick look at my other question.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 21:11 BST (UK)
Sorry, 'Carrier' was his occupation as  stated on the census.

No, I do not know that anyone came from Ireland, so far the Webbs that I have found are firmly rooted in Romsey.  They are not moving around, and they are not missing from censuses.  They are living in houses and doing a variety of occupations.

Even if they did come from Ireland, that does not automatically mean they are travellers.

If your family think their ancestors were travellers, do they mean the Webb family, or one of the wife's family were travellers?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 21:14 BST (UK)
Sorry, 'Carrier' was his occupation as  stated on the census.

No, I do not know that anyone came from Ireland, so far the Webbs that I have found are firmly rooted in Romsey.  They are not moving around, and they are not missing from censuses.  They are living in houses and doing a variety of occupations.

Even if they did come from Ireland, that does not automatically mean they are travellers.

If your family think their ancestors were travellers, do they mean the Webb family, or one of the wife's family were travellers?
They think the Webb’s could be but a lot of wife’s families could be aswell
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 27 July 18 22:23 BST (UK)
You can research them here...


 C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Southwell  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf0/


see if you recognize anything.
And that should be the Southwell’s in my family?


Possibly that one Southwell family that were in Ireland for a bit but came back to England.... amongst them!
I searched Hester Southwell there and it could not be found. Also is this Southwell family Irish travellers.

I don't know... you'd need to check if it says so on Certs that have Images!
Is there nothing else which could lead to them being travellers.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Friday 27 July 18 23:24 BST (UK)
What is your definition of a traveller?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Saturday 28 July 18 00:03 BST (UK)
What is your definition of a traveller?
Someone who is normally with a group of family who travel around in caravans etc.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: Kaybron on Saturday 28 July 18 06:26 BST (UK)
Hi crazyshotgug69,

I had been told by relatives that my family were gypsies.  I was able to establish this by looking at the Census material from 1861 to 1871 of my great grandparents and also where their children were born.  The family were listed in each Census living in tents and their children were born in Portsea, Surrey and Brighton indicating they travelled extensively.  One daughter was listed from 1881 to 1911 living in a caravan (travelling) for each Census.  I was able to establish convincingly that the family were gypsies through a newspaper article.  One of my great grandparent's children died as an infant and an inquest was held and reported in the newspaper.  The newspaper article mentioned that the family were gypsies and were at the time living in their caravan on common land and paid a small amount of money in rent to be able to do this.  The family were also Hawkers, Chair Caners, Flower Sellers and Umbrella Makers all occupations that are generally associated with gypsies.

Regards Kaybron
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Saturday 28 July 18 07:09 BST (UK)
'Someone who is normally with a group of family who travel around in caravans '

They were not travellers from 1841 - no censuses show them in caravans, just in ordinary dwellings and staying in the same area, not travelling.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: iluleah on Monday 30 July 18 17:25 BST (UK)
I think you are chasing after a family story and many family stories have little to no truth. It seems clear from what you have already been told by many on here that your family story is just that a story........so instead of chasing stories research your ancestors and the picture of your ancestors lives, where they lived and what they did will develop
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 00:26 BST (UK)
'Someone who is normally with a group of family who travel around in caravans '

They were not travellers from 1841 - no censuses show them in caravans, just in ordinary dwellings and staying in the same area, not travelling.
Ok thank you, is there anyway to access the information which you have found.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: chempat on Wednesday 01 August 18 19:17 BST (UK)
I was using Ancestry to access information - try a free trial?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:22 BST (UK)
I was using Ancestry to access information - try a free trial?

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/
Ok thank you, I will try that out, however, is there anyway in which you could find the father of William Webb who was married to Mary Pragnel who married on the 28/1/1738 in Romsey. Thanks
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:31 BST (UK)
The likes of that might be on Ancestry.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:33 BST (UK)
The likes of that might be on Ancestry.
I cannot seem to find out how to do a free trial, as it always makes me input credit card details when I do not want to pay, only try it out.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:41 BST (UK)
Family Search provides a free account and has census details and some parish registers which might be a good way to start.

https://www.familysearch.org

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?fcs=region%3AUNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND&ec=region%3AUNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:43 BST (UK)
Family Search provides a free account and has census details and some parish registers which might be a good way to start.

https://www.familysearch.org

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list?fcs=region%3AUNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND&ec=region%3AUNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
I have been using that a bit, but I cannot get any records which display William Webb's father's name.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:44 BST (UK)
The marriage probably wouldn’t show it at that time. There are a few William Webbs in Hampshire born around that time on FS.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 20:45 BST (UK)
The marriage probably wouldn’t show it at that time. There are a few William Webbs in Hampshire born around that time on FS.
With their marriage date in mind, is there any few records which may make sense?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Wednesday 01 August 18 21:24 BST (UK)
The likes of that might be on Ancestry.
I cannot seem to find out how to do a free trial, as it always makes me input credit card details when I do not want to pay, only try it out.

You need to register a credit card for the free trial.  They won't use it unless you fail to cancel before the end of the free trial.  It is a normal process, and I haven't heard of anyone being cheated.  I think you can buy credit on a card if you don't have a real credit card.

Your local library may well give you limited (maybe an hour a day) free access.  Mine does.

Martin
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 01 August 18 22:24 BST (UK)
I got Free Trial by just registering my email address...never entered any Credit Card details!
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 22:59 BST (UK)
I got Free Trial by just registering my email address...never entered any Credit Card details!
Could you recall your steps in doing that and teach me how please?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 01 August 18 23:07 BST (UK)
Do you live in Hampshire?
Have you tried using your local library to access Ancestry?

https://www.hants.gov.uk/librariesandarchives/library/whatyoucanborrow/digitallibrary
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Wednesday 01 August 18 23:08 BST (UK)
I just went to

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/

and hit Sign in

filled in details and Password , got Free Account which gave my 10 days free trial!

I did NOT hit Subscribe!!
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Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Wednesday 01 August 18 23:40 BST (UK)
I just went to

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/

and hit Sign in

filled in details and Password , got Free Account which gave my 10 days free trial!

I did NOT hit Subscribe!!
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Thank you, as I cannot seem to do this, and access much in terms of records on the internet, would you be able to search up a William Webb, married Mary Pragnel 1738 and was possibly born 1720, due to a record I have found of a birth in romsey at that time, which would make sense with the marriage time. I would like to know who William's father was please. Thank you.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: CarolA3 on Thursday 02 August 18 11:51 BST (UK)
.......... would you be able to search up a William Webb, married Mary Pragnel 1738 and was possibly born 1720, due to a record I have found of a birth in romsey at that time, which would make sense with the marriage time. I would like to know who William's father was please. Thank you.

Same question with replies here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=797789

Carol
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Thursday 02 August 18 12:31 BST (UK)
I am looking to find out whether I am gypsy or if not what the proper name for my type of family could be. ...
Basically, my grandad used to go into the closest city with other family members and other local gypsy and fairground kids starting fights with people...

 My grandad also used to have a lot of fights with people and apparently mostly won...

 My dad and uncle lived in a caravan for a bit of time, I think they travelled a bit I’m not sure though....

 I also have a massive family who all live close to me, and we are all very close to each other and family is very important to us.... 

My dad also allows me to drink a bit around family....     

As others have shown you, none of your relatives, for quite a long way back have been travellers, so none of this fighting/drinking stuff is relevant to your search (and very stereotyping.)  I also lived in a caravan when I was young, as did my father when he was, but we are not from a travelling family.

Don't put too much store by vague family stories - enjoy the search for who your ancestors really were. You've been given a lot of help here but still seem to be chasing a family myth.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: Rena on Thursday 02 August 18 14:27 BST (UK)

With their marriage date in mind, is there any few records which may make sense?

Hi crazyshotgug69

Where do you live and what is your occupation?

You wouldn't be a philosophy undergraduate, or post graduate, by any chance would you?
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 02 August 18 14:49 BST (UK)
I am looking to find out whether I am gypsy or if not what the proper name for my type of family could be. ...
Basically, my grandad used to go into the closest city with other family members and other local gypsy and fairground kids starting fights with people...

 My grandad also used to have a lot of fights with people and apparently mostly won...

 My dad and uncle lived in a caravan for a bit of time, I think they travelled a bit I’m not sure though....

 I also have a massive family who all live close to me, and we are all very close to each other and family is very important to us.... 

My dad also allows me to drink a bit around family....     

As others have shown you, none of your relatives, for quite a long way back have been travellers, so none of this fighting/drinking stuff is relevant to your search (and very stereotyping.)  I also lived in a caravan when I was young, as did my father when he was, but we are not from a travelling family.

Don't put too much store by vague family stories - enjoy the search for who your ancestors really were. You've been given a lot of help here but still seem to be chasing a family myth.
Im not chasing a family myth, now I am just purely interested in where my family has come from.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Thursday 02 August 18 14:50 BST (UK)

With their marriage date in mind, is there any few records which may make sense?

Hi crazyshotgug69

Where do you live and what is your occupation?

You wouldn't be a philosophy undergraduate, or post graduate, by any chance would you?

I live in Lockerley, just outside of Romsey and I do not have an occupation.
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: iluleah on Thursday 02 August 18 15:59 BST (UK)
Then go to the local records office located in Winchester and research as all the real records are there and you are local
https://www.ltvas.org.uk/useful-links
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: yeahyeah121212 on Friday 03 August 18 22:00 BST (UK)
Do you know if these are your great grandparents?

Marriages September quarter 1945
Margery S   Hillier    Romsey    2c   287   
Arthur N Webb    Romsey    2c   287
Oooh, just quickly, could you please go back on Margery S Hillier's family. Thanks
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: hallmark on Friday 03 August 18 22:09 BST (UK)
I just went to

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/

and hit Sign in

filled in details and Password , got Free Account which gave my 10 days free trial!

I did NOT hit Subscribe!!
.
.
.
Thank you, as I cannot seem to do this, and access much in terms of records on the internet, would you be able to search up a William Webb, married Mary Pragnel 1738 and was possibly born 1720, due to a record I have found of a birth in romsey at that time, which would make sense with the marriage time. I would like to know who William's father was please. Thank you.



I can't as my free Trial ended years ago... it is something you'd need to check during your free trial
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 August 18 22:11 BST (UK)
Do you know if these are your great grandparents?

Marriages September quarter 1945
Margery S   Hillier    Romsey    2c   287   
Arthur N Webb    Romsey    2c   287
Oooh, just quickly, could you please go back on Margery S Hillier's family. Thanks

You have a new thread here with advice
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=797915.msg6550494#msg6550494
Title: Re: Could I be gypsy
Post by: Rena on Saturday 04 August 18 01:26 BST (UK)
One certainty about your family is that in the 11th century when William the Conqueror decreed that everyone had to choose a surname, your ancestor chose a surname to describe his occupation. 

WEBB:  Name Meaning. English and Scottish: occupational name for a weaver,
early Middle English webbe, from Old English webba (a primary derivative of wefan 'to weave'.

Unfortunately it doesn't describe if he specialised in any particular material such as

1) weaving cloth from wool, or weaving linen cloth from flax grown in fields.
2) weaving willow or hazel wood to make boats (such as coracles); all types of baskets; wicker furniture;fencing; even wickermen (wicker man was a large wicker statue reportedly used by the ancient Druids (priests of Celtic