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Hi again , I'm trying to locate the husband and father of Susannah (Susan or even Hannah) James. She was born in 1813 in Staffs. I know she remarried again in 1849 to William Wood. But she had 3 children with her first husband George, Emma & Alice in 1835, 37 & 39 respectively. I think their fathers name was Thomas, however the father's details are missing from what I think are the children's baptism details. Susanbah's details are there but not the father. In 1841 she was living with a William Baines who I thought maybe her Father as he is 30yrs older but who knows. I think most of the above is fact but looking for anything else I could have missed in confirming the father and husband of Susannah , as always many thanks in advance - Richard
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You don't state what surname the kids were baptised as, not where.
Getting the marriage cert to Wood could give parental info for her,
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Sorry, baptised as James
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William Wood married Susannah James and the children you mention were baptised as James so are you saying that her first husband was Thomas James and it's him that you are trying to trace?
Were the children born in Dudley?
Bev
EDIT
Sorry, put the wrong Christian name in there!
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Yes, trying to confirm the first husband and father of the children was indeed Thomas James , not sure about the Dudley connection
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Marriage
19th September 1849
Bucknall St Mary
William Wood 44 Widower Collier Bucknall
Susannah James 38 Spinster Bucknall
No father details for either
Both made x
Witnesses Enoch ? & Mary Ann Holmes?
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From FamilySearch:
Name Emma James
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Oct 1837
Christening Date (Original) 15 OCT 1837
Christening Place PENKRIDGE,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Thomas James
Mother's Name Susannah
There is this marriage
Name Thomas James
Spouse's Name Susana Hughes
Event Date 16 Jun 1833
Event Place Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
but I'm wondering if there is more than one family around with similar names, because it looks like Susannah who married William Wood had not been married at all before.
Bev
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From FamilySearch:
Name Emma James
Gender Female
Christening Date 15 Oct 1837
Christening Date (Original) 15 OCT 1837
Christening Place PENKRIDGE,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Thomas James
Mother's Name Susannah
There is this marriage
Name Thomas James
Spouse's Name Susana Hughes
Event Date 16 Jun 1833
Event Place Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
but I'm wondering if there is more than one family around with similar names, because it looks like Susannah who married William Wood had not been married at all before.
Bev
Thanks Bev, Why do you think Susannah hadn't been married before, if you don't mind me asking.
EDIT ah right, just seen "Spinster"so would she have 3 children out of wedlock? seems unlikely given the times. My head hurts :-)
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Think I've sorted out Thomas & Susannah baptising children at Penkridge (reply 6 )
Two more baptisms
1834 Ann
1840 Marianne burial 1840 as Mary Ann
From GRO birth 1840 Mary Ann James mmn Hales
Marriage
31st December 1832
Stoke on Trent St Peter
Thomas James
Susannah Hales
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Thank you, are you saying there was another child Mary Ann , born and died in 1840? And maiden name of Hales, so she was Susannah Hales.
A couple of wedding certs for me to get hold of I think.
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Don't know if this is the correct George
21st June 1835
Bucknall cum Bagnall
George James
Mother Susannah James
Also
19th December 1830
Bucknall cum Bagnall
Elijah James
Mother Susannah James
And just in case this is your Susannah
5th November 1815
Bucknall
Susannah James
parents William & Susannah
Father a farmer of Lander's Bank
The images of both marriages are on FindMyPast, all information transcribed
They may be two different Susannah's
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Thanks Comberton, a little confused as to why Susannah was described as a spinster when she married William Wood in 1849. Had Thomas just done a runner? or would they have been legally divorced. So many questions ..............
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What we are saying is that 'your' Susannah was indeed a spinster when she married William Wood and that her 4 children were all illegitimate - can only see baptism for George at Bucknall cum Bagnall in 1835, daughter Emma 1836/1837 shown on 1851 census to have been born in Lancashire, can't find a baptism or indeed a birth entry for Alice James 1838/1839 nor Hannah James 1844/1845.
Annette
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The marriage of Thomas James and Susannah Hales 31/12/1832, Stoke On Trent is probably a different Susannah ?? Is that a fair assumption?
Incidentally the family do come from Stoke.
Will need to get some birth and marriage certs to confirm I'm following the right lines.
Appreciate everyone's input as always - Richard James
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The children baptised at Penkridge had parents Thomas and Susannah - as previously mentioned there was a Marianne bp.16/4/1840 buried 24/6/1840 Penkridge as Mary Ann. Mother Susannah bc.1815 bur.13/5/1840 Penkridge.
Emma bp.1837 Penkridge (dau. of Thomas and Susannah) appears to be with an uncle Joseph Hales on 1841 census at Penkridge.
Annette
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Mother Susannah bc.1815 bur.13/5/1840 Penkridge. Sorry for my questions, but does that mean Susannah buried 13/5/40? if so, either she is not the correct person or the person who married William Wood is incorrect.
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You may have already seen this
Marriage
4th August 1857
Bagnall
Paul Oldacre 43 Bachelor Miner Washerwall Thomas Oldacre Hatter
Susannah Wood 42 Widow Farmer Brookhouse Lane William James Farmer
susannah made x
witness looks like Eliza James made x
William's burial
23rd December 1851
Bucknall St Mary
aged 48
From the Staffordshire Advertiser Saturday 27th December 1851
Colliery Accident
William Wood, a collier, died on Saturday from injuries received on the previous day, when at work in a pit at Ubberley, near Hanley, by a fall of coal.
So he died on the 20th
1841 Census
Brookhouse Lane, Bucknall (as on Marriage above)
William & Susannah James (Susannah's Parents ??)
Also there Elijah born 1830 (mother Susannah on baptism )
Birth
Elizabeth Hannah James
Jan 1845
Stoke on Trent
17 165
no mmn
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Thank you Comberton, no I hadn't seen that before. To be honest I'm not sure where do begin from all the info received on this thread alone. I need to establish if the Susannah James who married William Wood is the correct person and the only way of doing that it seems is by ordering a few certs. I'm tracing back through the census's from George and Hannah to their son Thomas and Sarah, to Percy born in 1908, to my Father born in 1944. All from Stoke. Just trying to establish George's Mother Susannah.
Thanks again
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In the marriage to Paul Oldacre, It shows Susannah's Father as William James ?????????? So if the children were born illegitimately prior to William Wood and Paul Oldacre, is it possible or even likely that Susannah adopted her own family surname?
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Think this will help
Marriage
20th April 1857
Bucknall
George James 22 Bachelor Potter Brookhouse Lane
Hannah Healy Spinster Brookhouse Lane
No father's details for either
Both signed, Hannah as Healey
Witnesses George Bowman
Susannah Wood made x
This is a few months before Susannah Wood remarried and gives the same address as she did
If Susannah was unmarried when the children were born, as suggested by their baptisms and her marriage to William Wood, then her father's surname would be James
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Marriage
18th July 1896
Bucknall
Thomas James 28 Coal miner Bucknall George James Coal miner
Sarah Underwood 22 Bucknall Edwin Underwood Deceased
both signed
Witnesses Thomas Carter
Eliza Underwood
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I've just seen your reply, many thanks , so in a nutshell , it is likely that Susannah's father was a William James, I will get George's birth cert to clarify any father's details also Susannah's wedding to William Wood. Thank you for your efforts - Richard
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Sorry to tell but as George was born before 1837 there is no birth certificate to be had and as there is no fathers informaton on the Wood/James marriage entry, that won't help either. The images I found were on FindMyPast, a lot of libraries have free access and I believe you can download images to a memory stick.
Have you tracked the family on the census?
1871 Brookhouse Lane, Bucknall
Susannah Oldacre, widow,59 with William James, 9, grandson who could be George & Hannah's son, also on the same page, George 35 & Hannah 36 with Thomas 7, Henry 3 & Susannah 4 months Is this the correct family?
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Yes, that's them. I didn't realise about 1837. Yes tracked them from 1911 back to 1841.
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I hadn't come across Susannah living with her Grandson William in Brookhouse lane in 1871 because I wasn't aware if the Oldacre marriage until it as pointed out last night. That's kind if nice , she was living in the same street as her eldest son George. Alice was born in 1839 so there should be some father details on her birth cert , if I can find it. The only other conundrum I have is who was William Baines , whom she was living with in 1841 with her children at uttoxeter , he was 60, she was 28, landlord maybe or a relative , - thanks for all your efforts
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Come back to this thread after 6mths or so, I've worked out that Susannah's father was probably William James b1776, who in 1841 was living in Brook House Lane, in Bucknall, Stoke on Trent. This is the same address that his son or grandson George was living at when he married Hannah in 1857 and also they were still living there in 1871. My question is how can I prove it ? and how can I find out if William had any more children. I think William was married to a Shuzannah (Susannah?) b.1771 and possible her maiden name was Tar. Any tips or help greatly appreciated or have I come to the end of the road for the James's ?
Many thanks in advance - Richard
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This is very difficult to follow. It might be useful to go back to the beginning.
".. to Percy born in 1908, to my Father born in 1944. All from Stoke"
What is the name of Percy, b. 1908.......and he is your father's father?
Do you have a birth certificate for Percy b. 1908?
If you do not have a birth certificate for Percy b. 1908, how have you identified his parents?
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Hi, Yes Percy was my Grandfather and yes my fathers father. I have his birth cert and his marriage cert.