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Title: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 20:10 BST (UK)



I'm looking for the name of the Roman Catholic Church in or near Coolbawn. There doesn't seem to be any references online to any churches in the area

Thanking you in anticipation.

Margaret.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:13 BST (UK)
Which Coolbaun?


https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Coolbaun&str=on&con=100029
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 20:38 BST (UK)


I've found the family on the 1911 census in Coolbawn, Derrycastle, Templeachally and that's all I know sorry.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:41 BST (UK)


I've found the family on the 1911 census in Coolbawn, Derrycastle, Templeachally and that's all I know sorry.


Can you post Link?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:42 BST (UK)
Probably the Templechally one so!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 20:43 BST (UK)


Ok thanks I'll check it out,
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:47 BST (UK)
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=2299&civilparish=Templeachally&county=Tipperary
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:49 BST (UK)
Seems to be Ballina church

Link to the registers here if they were RC
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:50 BST (UK)
Or even a Link here!!    ;D  ;D


https://www.johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=2299&civilparish=Templeachally&search_type=full
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 20:52 BST (UK)

Thank you so much.

I think what's confusing me is that I thought there would be a church in most towns.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:53 BST (UK)

Thank you so much.

I think what's confusing me is that I thought there would be a church in most towns.


....but not one in every townland
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 20:57 BST (UK)

Sorry I'm really ignorant with Irish genealogy my Irish ancestors are all from Dublin and it's so different. What is a townland.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 20:59 BST (UK)
No problem....am same myself with non Irish stuff.

A townland can be a field out in country or a few fields....   ;D ;D  not near a town!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 21:01 BST (UK)

That is so funny you've made my day. I'll try and find the church somehow.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:11 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:14 BST (UK)
I posted a Link...  https://www.johngrenham.com/records/church.php?civilparishid=2299&civilparish=Templeachally&search_type=full

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0239  is the Parish registers on that link if yours were RC
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 21:19 BST (UK)

I've used the NLI ones earlier but it doesn't give a clue to the name of the church.

I'm helping a friend who has mostly Irish ancestors and I've found such a difference in what records are still around but what throws me is all the different spellings for the same place. I'll have to learn Gaelic it would be a lot easier. LOL


If you  need any help anytime just let me know I'm pretty much au fait with genealogy in a few countries.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:22 BST (UK)
You are making things difficult for yourself!!

Go to https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

and just put Surname in

and Nenagh   as district  then hit Search!!

On left you can select 1800's and even Decades or Births etc
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:24 BST (UK)
The Indexes to the Civil Records of Irish Births, Deaths and Marriages date from 1864 with non-Roman Catholic Marriages recorded from 1845.

The years covered by the release of the historic Indexes to the Civil Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths are:

Births: 1864 to 1916

Marriages: 1845* to 1941

Deaths: 1864 to 1966
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 21:27 BST (UK)


I've tried that before and for some reason I keep getting  'no results' I've had all my family trying it and they get the same. I'll give it another go I won't give up.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:30 BST (UK)
What Surname?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 21:33 BST (UK)


Its John and Julia Quigley but on the 1901 census his wife is called Judith.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:38 BST (UK)
Civil Reg  Birth, Marriage and Death results for Quigley of Nenagh  DISTRICT

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 802.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf1/

Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 21:56 BST (UK)
I don't know area too well...

Wondering if they might be under Scariff  https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=141


or Nenagh?

https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=124
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 22:00 BST (UK)


I think it's Nenagh because that's the place my friend remembered going to as a child.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:03 BST (UK)


I think it's Nenagh because that's the place my friend remembered going to as a child.

I know....but which Registration office did they use??
 
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:05 BST (UK)
Annacarriga in Scariff DISTRICT  looks nearest!!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:09 BST (UK)
 Birth, Marriage and Death results for Quigley
Area - Scarriff DISTRICT   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf2/
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 22:36 BST (UK)


Where is Scarriff district in relation to Coolbaun?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: Dundee on Friday 27 July 18 22:38 BST (UK)
Birth reg for children of John and Judy/Judith QUIGL[E]Y:

Patrick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03346/2226789.pdf

Kate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02815/2032883.pdf

Michael
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02657/1979669.pdf

I cannot see any baptisms for their children on the available RC indexes.

Debra  :)

Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 22:42 BST (UK)


Wow that's amazing and it's the correct family thank you so much.

I still don't understand how  Judith becomes Julia. I know it's Julia because their son William named his first child Julia.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:43 BST (UK)
 
AS PER 

Reply #22 on: Today at 09:38:20 PM »

    Quote

Civil Reg  Birth, Marriage and Death results for Quigley of Nenagh  DISTRICT

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 802.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf1/
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:45 BST (UK)
I only looked for Dan!!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 22:47 BST (UK)

This is getting weird, John names his wife as Judy and then Judith and then Julia. What the heck was her real name or did he have early onset dementia?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: Dundee on Friday 27 July 18 22:52 BST (UK)
This looks like Patrick's baptism on 16 April and she is now Johanna.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632636#page/205/mode/1up

They are just different versions of the same name - it is not unusual.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: dathai on Friday 27 July 18 22:53 BST (UK)
May 25th 1869
John Quigley to Julia Quigley      modern transcript ?
Left hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634767#page/64/mode/1up

edited to add
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0802
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:55 BST (UK)
As you know

Years Married   42   Children Born   10   Children Living  8  in  1911
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 22:56 BST (UK)
Just a matter of researching what was already posted...

Civil Reg  Birth, Marriage and Death results for Quigley of Nenagh  DISTRICT

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 802.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf1/
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 22:59 BST (UK)


I honestly hadn't spotted the data about children. Is it on the census and I've missed it?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: Dundee on Friday 27 July 18 23:00 BST (UK)
You would need to source the baptisms for children after Patrick elsewhere.

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0239&parish=Ballina

Debra  :)
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 23:01 BST (UK)


I honestly hadn't spotted the data about children. Is it on the census and I've missed it?


Yes
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 23:02 BST (UK)

I'll look at the links in the morning.

I can't believe how much help I've had tonight it's much appreciated. Thank you both.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: Dundee on Friday 27 July 18 23:04 BST (UK)
What source names the wife of John as 'Julia'?

I see that it is the 1911 census.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 23:06 BST (UK)


The 1911 census and their son William's birth record. I kept seeing Quigley birth's with a MMN of Julia Quigley and I thought that was the right family.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: dathai on Friday 27 July 18 23:10 BST (UK)
Strangley there does not appear to be a matching index for both in the marriages but there is a match for call numbers in two different districts
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf3/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf4/
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Friday 27 July 18 23:17 BST (UK)
That's really odd I wonder if they got married in both Parishes for some reason? What a mystery this family's records are.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: dathai on Friday 27 July 18 23:44 BST (UK)
for reference
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Derrycastle/Coolbaun/1699947/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Derrycastle/Coolbaun/822738/

Philip and Maria ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Gastletown/1699696/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Castletown/822504/

Philip 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03148/2154625.pdf
Mary 1876
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03055/2120231.pdf
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Friday 27 July 18 23:49 BST (UK)
https://cashel-emly.ie/parish/ballina-boher/
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 11:32 BST (UK)


Dathai

I've found the baptism of William Quigley (the line I'm searching) on familysearch.org on the 11th July 1878 parents John and Julia Quigley.  Could you please check it out for me if you have time to see if it's the same couple as the other baptisms.

This man is a complete mystery he's not on either the 1901 or 1911 censuses in Ireland or England but I know he ended up in Manchester and married in 1915. I found a possible William Quigley on the 1901 census in Manchester but I can't prove it's the same person.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 11:40 BST (UK)


Dathai

I've found the baptism of William Quigley (the line I'm searching) on familysearch.org on the 11th July 1878 parents John and Julia Quigley.  Could you please check it out for me if you have time to see if it's the same couple as the other baptisms.

This man is a complete mystery he's not on either the 1901 or 1911 censuses in Ireland or England but I know he ended up in Manchester and married in 1915. I found a possible William Quigley on the 1901 census in Manchester but I can't prove it's the same person.

Yes, same parents!!


Civil Reg  Birth, Marriage and Death results for Quigley of Nenagh  DISTRICT

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 802.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mf1/

then you can select the 1800's and then 1870's  from list on left!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 11:44 BST (UK)
You can modify searches as needed...


https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 13:40 BST (UK)


Thanks Hallmark I appreciate it.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: Maggsie on Saturday 28 July 18 13:51 BST (UK)
Hi, I have watching this thread, if the 1878 birth is correct, Coolbawn, PORTROE.
This link show Coolbawn Quay.
https://www.coolbawnquay.com/location/
if you zoom out you will see Portroe, this is the place stated in the Birth record.
I thought very confusing years ago when we stayed in a B&B to have so many names the same.
Someone mentioned Scariff, that is on the opposite side of Lough Derg and is in County Clare, But having said that the Diocese for the area comes under Killaloe,  Killaloe being at the neck of Lough Derg opposite Ballina (County Tipperary)
It took me a while to work out...... town lands, Parishes, Diocese, Barony and DED's.
Great fun though isn't it!
Maggsie



Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 14:02 BST (UK)
Yes the 1878 births is correct!

I mentioned Scariff DISTRICT (NOT TOWN!!)

IF YOU LOOK AT  https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php?gregdistid=141

you can see how near the reg OFFICE/dispensary  at Annacarriga is....

Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 14:09 BST (UK)


Oh my head's spinning now.  :D

It's going to take me ages to really understand the layout of all the different districts.

Why did people have to travel so far to have their children baptised?
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 14:12 BST (UK)


 Thanks Maggsie

I can't seem to grasp the best way to address this query with all the different ways to approach it but I'll get there in the end.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 14:14 BST (UK)
Reg offices were only roughly 10 miles apart so people were within 5 miles of one and used to short 5 mile strolls!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 14:17 BST (UK)
People in Canada or Australia often had a decent 100 miles stroll to town!!
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 14:19 BST (UK)

I so admire our Irish ancestors for the adversity they met head on and dealt with  on a day to day basis.

I don't mind a long walk but 100 miles would put me off big time.
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 28 July 18 14:22 BST (UK)

 

I don't mind a long walk but 100 miles would put me off big time.

Especially when one forgets what they went to town for!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: coolbawn query
Post by: aggiebagwash on Saturday 28 July 18 14:58 BST (UK)


You've got my sense of humour. Love your response.