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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: Fatfinger on Friday 27 July 18 22:17 BST (UK)
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Mccormacks help needed have fathers birth and baptismal cert born in Tullamor workhouse can I trace records for any schooling he had or who was his legal guardian as he was never adopted seems he got passed around a little bit born 1925 mother mary McCormack anybody that can give me any help would be great
Thankyou
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It may be a help for others helping to know where in the world 'Tullamor' was, where 'father' was born & any other details you know please?
This saves people having to use 'google' if they know where they're looking?
Annie
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Tullamore, Co. Offaly, Ireland. Possibly.
It's unlikely you will find any thing regards school etc. as 1925 is too recent.
Do you know if he was brought up by family or placed in orphanage?
Do you know anything more about his mother?
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Sinann,
I did find it on 'google' although it's good if people give areas as we don't have world maps in our heads & having to 'google' to find places which could be given in the post would be very helpful to all/anyone wishing to help people.
Annie
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Tullamore co offaly a workhouse there where he spent his earlier days we don't know his mother mary mc cormack was working in a big house in Cloneyhurke portarlington that was the address for her no age so to pinpoint mary is hard but we would like to know who was his guardians or responsible for him, he did spend some time with a woman who seems to have been a spinster and she died when he was quite young surely there must be somewhere I can find something out as he kept his original name and was never adopted to anyone it's like he was sent from billy to jack
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You say you have his baptisim, could you check with the same church if they have Communion or Confirmation records for him?
Your search is in that period covered by data protection so very little other than marriages and deaths is online, added to the fact the search is for a young boy living in an unknown place with unknown people.
Offaly County Libary have records from the Workhouse but from what I could see they don't cover the period you need. It might be worth contacting them.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Tullamore/
https://www.offaly.ie/eng/Services/Libraries/Local-Studies-Archives-Collection/Archives/Our-collections/Local-Government-Archives.html
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I have found what I wanted in workhouse records I also now have another to look for
Anne mccormack born 1931 I have copy of birth cert born in workhouse also what do I do with this
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I have found what I wanted in workhouse records I also now have another to look for
Anne mccormack born 1931 I have copy of birth cert born in workhouse also what do I do with this
Is Anne McCormack alive or do you know that she is deceased? We are not allowed to name people who may be alive.
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"Anne mccormack born 1931 I have copy of birth cert born in workhouse"
Is she a daughter of Mary too?
We know nothing so far of the person you were originally seeking i.e. what other info. are you looking to find?
Does the person in your original post give a father's name on his marriage?
Annie
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Hello,
These records may have some relevance/connection
Marriage 1938
Mary McCormack, Portarlington, father Stephen and James Doyle
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1938/08891/5215794.pdf
Death of Stephen McCormick of Cloneyhurke 1925
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1925/05009/4368066.pdf
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There is a death of Annie Patricia McCormack 1931 but no mention of parent’s name - just a labourer’s child so may not be yours.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04903/4329504.pdf
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we would like to know who was his guardians or responsible for him, he did spend some time with a woman who seems to have been a spinster and she died when he was quite young surely there must be somewhere I can find something out as he kept his original name and was never adopted to anyone
Secrets don't get answers. Can you please give details of his name, who the 'spinster' was & where, where she died/when to give people a 'timeline' of events to possibly further your query?
If he was posted from pillar to post,, do you have info. of where/when as no-one can help without details of which there are none so far ???
Annie
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I agree with you Annie.
The Records I have posted could be related but may not be because the name is quite common in the area.
I have interpreted the posts that there are Workhouse records but not detailed enough for later childhood which is then based on oral family history.
I may be totally wrong though :)
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There is a death of Annie Patricia McCormack 1931 but no mention of parent’s name - just a labourer’s child so may not be yours.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04903/4329504.pdf
I looked at this one. She died in hospital, soon after birth. Informant was hospital official. That's what I deciphered from handwriting. I think it said she was from Tullamore.
Maybe there is nothing more to find, if it was same child as the one born in workhouse 1931.
I notice this thread is 1st Fatfinger has posted.
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I have found what I wanted in workhouse records I also now have another to look for
Anne mccormack born 1931 I have copy of birth cert born in workhouse also what do I do with this
a) Does this mean you need no more help with original enquiry about your father's early life?
b) What help, information or advice are you seeking about this Anne McCormack?
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I've sent a pm to OP.
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I’m sorry my msg was muddled up I was looking for Mary McCormack ,I have now found her she was in Tullamore workhouse aand gave birth to Joseph 1925 during this search I have located an Anne Mc Cormack born also in workhouse in 1931 there is no father entered as she was unmarried,so what I’m looking for if anyone knows anything about Anne McCormack born 1931 in Tullamore co.Offaly to a mother Mary I’d love some info
Thankyou
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Hello again,
When you say you have found Mary, could you tell us where and when or do you just mean the Workhouse births?
Is your interest with the son and you know what happened to him, but maybe not his childhood.
If Ann survived, she may have stayed with her mother or fostered/adopted.
Did the son know of another child?
I posted a possible death for baby Ann. What do you think?
Regards
Heywood
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Just looking at birth indexes, the death I posted cannot be Anne. The death was in March and Anne's birth was registered July-September.
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I've seen that death ive got details of Anne from register but going forward can't find another thing
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I've seen that death ive got details of Anne from register but going forward can't find another thing
So you have Anne's birth details? When and where was she born? Were her parents named on birth registration?
Do you know if Anne is deceased? We are not allowed to name, or post identifiable information about a person who may be alive.
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Annie Patricia McCormack was my late fathers sister, her parents were John McCormack born Tullamore and Mary Kate Gavin.
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Annie Patricia McCormack was my late fathers sister, her parents were John McCormack born Tullamore and Mary Kate Gavin.
Thank you scatty. I wrote earlier that she couldn’t be the one sought here because of the two different births.
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Thankyou not right one Anne mccormack mother Mary mccormack grandmothers name was Katherine connor
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Thankyou not right one Anne mccormack mother Mary mccormack grandmothers name was Katherine connor
Was name of Katherine Connor, grandmother, on birth registration?
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Do you know if Anne is deceased? We are not allowed to name, or post identifiable information about a person who may be alive.
Are you able to tell us if Anne has died?
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Mary left workhouse on her own Joseph was discharged 7 months later and I don't know how long Anne stayed for its looking like 1935 but records so hard to read.
I don't know if Anne is definitly dead as im following up on some records but can't pipoint her so I can't say either way for definite im hoping someone may be looking for info on Anne or her mother Mary as I never found a death record for either Mary was born 1893/1894
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We are not supposed to post information about people who may be alive.
I've reported to moderator and sent a pm to Fatfinger.
I suggest that this topic be closed and a fresh one be started in the name of Katherine, (Connor? McCormack?), the grandmother, whom it is safe for us to pursue.
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We are not supposed to post information about people who may be alive.
I've reported to moderator and sent a pm to Fatfinger.
I suggest that this topic be closed and a fresh one be started in the name of Katherine, (Connor? McCormack?), the grandmother, whom it is safe for us to pursue.
Unless I am on the wrong track, it would be the daughter b 1931 who is the person who may be alive.
Since nothing is yet known about her - where she went etc, it seems very difficult to trace her at the moment.
It seems that now, Fatfinger has given a bit more information re Mary’s family who may be Stephen McCormick and Kate/Katherine Connor.
Is it necessary to close this one and start a new one? We can just try to track them.
However, FF, do you already know their background?
Regards
Heywood
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This would seem to be the family you refer to.
Marriage of Stephen McCormack and Catherine Connor 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10661/5884648.pdf
Birth of Mary in 1892
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02356/1880704.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Ballyshear/Clonyquin/1466438/
However, as said before, are you now just searching The daughter b 1931?
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This could well be Mary
The marriage I posted was Mary McCormack and James Doyle - he was from Newbridge.
1954
Death of Mary Doyle, Sallins (near Newbridge) - the informant is her daughter.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04442/4161593.pdf
As Maiden Stone has pointed out, there is a possibility that the daughter could still be living so that affects naming her in posts.
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I want to thank everyone who helped I have tracked down everyone I was looking for all dead except maybe Anne who if alive would be 87 now .Mary my dads mother died 1954 she was a widow at the time of death her husband was James Doyle their marraige was in 1938 so Mary would have been 48 I would like to know if anyone can help find a death record for him and also if Anne still alive am I allowed look for any marraige records for her
Thankyou
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Has deaths and to 1966 and Marriages to 1941.
Therefore James’ death should be there but I can’t see it. When I looked there is one in Naas district but when you open it, it is a Dublin sheet and obviously no James.
You can try yourself.
The marriages are too early but Family Search https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347 has indexes to 1958. Again, I looked for a marriage but no luck but you must check yourself.
Other than that, I can only think of local records- church or family history but the information may be too sensitive.
All good wishes
Heywood
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1954
Death of Mary Doyle, Sallins (near Newbridge) - the informant is her daughter.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04442/4161593.pdf
As Maiden Stone has pointed out, there is a possibility that the daughter could still be living so that affects naming her in posts.
According to Mary's death certificate she was widow of a "Fitter C.I.E". I think it's C.I.E. unless it's C.J.E. ?
C.I.E. = Irish public transport system? (Can't remember the Irish for it.) If James worked for C.I.E. there may be record of his employment and he might have had a works pension if he lived past retirement age or Mary a widow's pension from C.I.E.. If there had been dependent children when James died, it may have been noted on his records. (I have to say that I know nothing about C.I.E. pensions or about where to find records. Will they be in National Archives of Ireland?)
Mary and her daughter were at same address at time of Mary's death. Are voters' registers available for that place from that time onwards, or any other records which might show occupancy? If there are they may show if any of the family lived there after Mary's death.
Edit. This Mary was a different Mary Doyle, not widow of James Doyle after all.
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I want to thank everyone who helped I have tracked down everyone I was looking for all dead except maybe Anne who if alive would be 87 now .Mary my dads mother died 1954 she was a widow at the time of death her husband was James Doyle their marraige was in 1938 so Mary would have been 48 I would like to know if anyone can help find a death record for him and also if Anne still alive am I allowed look for any marraige records for her
Thankyou
Pleased to know that you managed to find what you were seeking.
An alternative method of searching for marriages of Catholics in 20th century is to find the person's baptism. It's hit & miss. From 1909 onwards, if a baptised Catholic married in a Catholic church, a note of the marriage was added to baptism entry (in some cases). It's dependent on baptism parish being notified of the marriage and the baptism register being available to look at.
However the baptism and potential marriage you're interested in are comparitively recent in family history terms and are covered by privacy rules.
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Córas Iompair Éireann
Would a fitter be buses or trains?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=723710.0
http://www.irrs.ie/Common%20Files/archiveCIE.htm I just skipped through it but they might be the people to ask although they are the Railway Record Society
address here
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/culturenet/archives/dublin/irish-railway-record-soci/
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Thank-you, Sinann.
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Sadly after a lot of searching today the record of Mary’s death with her daughter as the informant is not my Mary after all she was a widow of a Daniel Mccormack not a James I’m sorry I don’t know how to post index of records so my next thing is to establish if the 1938 marriage record for Mary McCormack to James Doyle is her I can only verify if it’s her if the age matches up as other details seem to match so tomorrow I’ll ring the church and see can I get baptism details to confirm age.
Back to the drawing board as they say😩
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Oh dear I am so sorry.
I presume you mean the widow of Daniel Doyle not McCormack or was the daughter the widow of Daniel McCormack?
We don’t know how much information you have re Mary’s origins - the marriage shows her father as Stephen, I think. If you know that is her, then that is the way, perhaps.
Do remember too that ages vary for all sorts of reasons.
Good luck with the phone calls. Whose baptism are you searching?
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I have to apologise for mistakenly saying in my post #33 yesterday after looking at the death registration of Mary Doyle 1954 that she was widow of James Doyle, C.I.E. fitter. I'd read it straight after Mary's marriage registration so must have had James stuck in my mind. :-[
I'll amend my post #33.
That means C.I.E. records are not needed.
So we don't know when Mary died.
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… my next thing is to establish if the 1938 marriage record for Mary McCormack to James Doyle is her I can only verify if it’s her if the age matches up as other details seem to match so tomorrow I’ll ring the church and see can I get baptism details to confirm age.
Back to the drawing board as they say😩
Marriage registration didn't give their ages, just that they were of full age, i.e. over 21.
If the priest who conducted the marriage sent the information to Mary's birth parish (if she married in a different parish) the information might have been added to her baptism record.
PS. Just checked baptism register for my GF and his sisters who were contemporaries of Mary McCormack. None of them had marriages added on; some others baptised same year had marriage information. So hit & miss.
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It's not my Mary's death certificate so I've still no death for my Mary born 1891 in offaly ireland that's why I'm going to ask the church in Portarlington where the marriage of Mary McCormack and James Doyle took place for a baptism cert for Mary so I can cross check ages .then I can start again on deaths if she became a Doyle.
I'm thinking my gut instinct is right that she's in an unmarked grave somewhere.