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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: sugarfizzle on Sunday 29 July 18 07:56 BST (UK)
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I am currently looking through Thornhill parish registers for my husband's Hey ancestors.
By 1770 the family's abode was usually given as Netherton, but earlier records for the family give the abode as Pitt Royds or Pitt Royd.
Can anyone enlighten me where this is/was? Google searches for Pitt Royd/s come up with transcriptions of Thornhill PRs, so not helpful.
Regards Margaret
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Tried Genuki?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
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Whilst I can't readily see Pitt Royds, this old map of the area might be of interest to you.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=53.6684&lon=-1.6293&layers=6&right=BingHyb
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Tried Genuki?
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
I tried that yesterday - no mention of Pitt Royd(s) or Royd Pitt :-\
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This is an older map of the area. You can change the view to full page. Lots of the pits have been named, so perhaps :-\
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/425500/418500/10/100391
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Hello Margaret, I have sent you a pm.
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Thank you for you replies.
Still can't find it anywhere, but willsmum (thank you) has told me that it was only this Hey family that used the address Pitt Royd/s, plus one isolated baptism, so it must have been personal to them, and as such, I am perhaps unlikely to find out where it was.
The maps are a marvellous resource, I have used them before.
Thanks again for your efforts.
Regards Margaret
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Dear Margaret
I see you have been unsuccessful in locating Pitts Royd or similar. I have located one in Silkstone via this web site:http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/a19130d1-24a3-4713-b45f-a1c2786b1bde, the records held by Barnsley Archives. I did pinpoint this address, but have forgotten how I arrived at this. It was located on Kine Moor Lane, Silkstone. We ( my brother and I ) have also had the same issue as we are also researching the Hey family. Interestingly though the Heys did reside at two locations near Silkstone, Hallroyd near Silkstone Common, and Norcroft near Cawthorne.
I hope the above information has been of help to you.
Regards
Michael
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Just to add to my earlier message I posted to yourself, we are also researching the Hey's of Thornhill/Netherton too and are finding it difficult to find a connection! Confusing as there is a Pitt Royd in Silkstone!
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Priest Royd is local pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang as 'How Royd beck' runs down Stony Royd Pitt (at Thornhill Edge chapel) to 'Smithy Brook'
Anyway all the Royd's are around 'How Royd beck' (Starts at Lower Whitley then runs towards and joins Smithy brook towards Netherton below Thornhill village on the hill above. The hamlet (Village) called Smithy Brook is on the connecting lane from Thornhill village at as Frank Lane to Netherton village.
"How Royd Beck' starts at Lower Whitey at How Royd lane
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dobfarm, Thanks for that, I'll explore further.
Michael, Who are you descended from?
William Hey and Elizabeth Taylor, married 1735, Thornhill, were my husband's 5G grandparents.
Then John Hey baptised 1735/36 Thornhill, 'of Pitt Royds', married Sarah England 1770, Edlington.
Then their daughter Martha Hey baptised 1777, Thornhill, 'Of Netherton' married Thomas Lister 1798.
Regards Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Thanks for posting your reply. We presume our ancestors were William Hey and Elizabeth Taylor, m.1735. Its their son William Hey, younger brother of John, b.Thornhill (Pitt Royds) (or Silkstone), 20 Sept 1747, who would be next in line as our ancestor.
Dobfarm's kind response on the Pitt Royds conundrum is interesting, but the questions it throws up, given there was definitely a Pitt Royd in Silkstone, did William and Elizabeth reside in Silkstone, because his son William and his son Richard did live in Silkstone, then Cawthorne, or did they originate from Priest Royd near Thornhill?
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Hi Dobfarm
Thanks for posting your response on the 'Pitt Royds' conundrum and taking the time to research this for us. I did then locate Priest Royd on the map.
Confusing as our Hey ancestors were settled in Silkstone area in the late 18C, where there is a Pitt Royd documented there in 1707. Still a bit to go to find the origins of our family. Thanks again.
Michael
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Hi Margaret
Just to add I have considered researching Savile Estate records covering Thornhill, for any documented evidence of the Heys of that period, i.e. rent books etc., but not ready for that task yet as it may take a lot of effort and time perhaps!
Michael
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Michael and dobfarm.
I have found Priest Royds Wood, about 2.5 miles from Thornhill. If this is pronounced Pitt Royds/s as you say, dobfarm, I think it is much more likely to be near here than Silkstone, about 11 miles away.
Not actually found Priest Royds as yet, is it near these woods, to the SW of Thornhill?
Michael, Have you or anyone in your family had autosomal DNA testing done? William Hey and Elizabeth Taylor were husband's 5G grandparents, potentially a match with him.
Regards Margaret
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Margaret
We have not had DNA testing done, but from the ancestry line we must be pretty close match!!
Priest Royd Wood is just west of Ouzelwell Lane. If you open the following link and zoom in on pin marker and scroll around a bit, you should find the woods. Then if you have zoomed in sufficiently, you should find just south of there, a place name 'Priest'.
https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/local/shrogg-wood-kirklees-wf120sa
If that is the location of Pitt Royd the dwellings may be long gone, if there was one at all!
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as map image
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Thanks for that, Michael and dobfarm.
I did start a reply yesterday, then got distracted before it was sent!
"Found it, Thanks. If you zoom in far enough it actually says Priest Royd not just Priest.
It was where I thought it could be. On Google Maps if you locate Priest Royd Woods, then go back a little North to the road, there looks like the remains of an old building. Couldn't say for sure, perhaps dobfarm knows?
Or even the buildings clustered on Ouzlewell Lane, south of Priest Royd.
And I should have said before, a very warm welcome to Rootschat, Michael!"
But now a map from dobfarm, thank you very much, confirming the fact that there were no dwellings there. They may have lived in a ramshackle hovel, they may have lived in luxury (doubtful), but whatever, I am a lot closer to knowing than I was when I first posted this query.
And found a 'cousin' as well.
Thanks once again to you both, and everyone else who has contributed.
Regards Margaret
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As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.
Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic. ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton
Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325
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sugarfizzle - Margaret
Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send ??? :)
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Hi Both
Thanks for your kind input again, Dobfarm. I have located the place name on the link you sent. Strangely enough I joined a golf club today which is located within 1/2 mile from Priest Royd, but the only way to recce the area is by foot. I didn't have my outdoor gear on so may investigate at a later date.
I have just looked up the meaning of Royd and is a cleared area within a forest, close to a village, with Norse/Old English origins. Looking at the Pitts Beck siting, its much closer to Netherton village than Priest Royd. I will get my boots on and recce this as well, plus may visit the pub in the village!!
Margaret,
My brother, who instigated the research, is sceptical as to the connection with William and Elizabeth. He says he needs to find evidence of the abode of their sons wife, Margaret, otherwise he will keep placing a '?' in the family tree!
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As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.
Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic. ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton
Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325
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sugarfizzle - Margaret
Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send ??? :)
Happy to write a letter, but it looks like Michael lives nearby and could perhaps ask at the pub.
But I'm not sure why either of us would look elsewhere. You said that - "Priest Royd is local pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang", so I thought we had found the place!
I'm getting confused, the brain cells aren't what they used to be.
Regards Margaret
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Hi Both
Thanks for your kind input again, Dobfarm. I have located the place name on the link you sent. Strangely enough I joined a golf club today which is located within 1/2 mile from Priest Royd, but the only way to recce the area is by foot. I didn't have my outdoor gear on so may investigate at a later date.
I have just looked up the meaning of Royd and is a cleared area within a forest, close to a village, with Norse/Old English origins. Looking at the Pitts Beck siting, its much closer to Netherton village than Priest Royd. I will get my boots on and recce this as well, plus may visit the pub in the village!!
Margaret,
My brother, who instigated the research, is sceptical as to the connection with William and Elizabeth. He says he needs to find evidence of the abode of their sons wife, Margaret, otherwise he will keep placing a '?' in the family tree!
DNA might be a way forward, Michael. There is at least one descendant from William Hey and Elizabeth Taylor at ancestry, shown as cousin to my husband. Not sure exactly why you would have to research their son's wife before connecting the family to your tree. But you know your research better than anybody else!
Regards Margaret
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As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.
Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic. ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton
Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325
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sugarfizzle - Margaret
Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send ??? :)
Happy to write a letter, but it looks like Michael lives nearby and could perhaps ask at the pub.
But I'm not sure why either of us would look elsewhere. You said that - "Priest Royd is local pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang", so I thought we had found the place!
I'm getting confused, the brain cells aren't what they used to be.
Regards Margaret
Hi Margaret,
The lack of any buildings at Priests Royd is one concern! on old maps and the fact the beck in Netherton is called 'Pitts beck' which stands to reason the stream must run down a valley, clough or a dale that may have Pitts in the name of the place or farm to investigate local peoples knowledge.
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Hi Both
Thanks for your kind input again, Dobfarm. I have located the place name on the link you sent. Strangely enough I joined a golf club today which is located within 1/2 mile from Priest Royd, but the only way to recce the area is by foot. I didn't have my outdoor gear on so may investigate at a later date.
I have just looked up the meaning of Royd and is a cleared area within a forest, close to a village, with Norse/Old English origins. Looking at the Pitts Beck siting, its much closer to Netherton village than Priest Royd. I will get my boots on and recce this as well, plus may visit the pub in the village!!
Margaret,
My brother, who instigated the research, is sceptical as to the connection with William and Elizabeth. He says he needs to find evidence of the abode of their sons wife, Margaret, otherwise he will keep placing a '?' in the family tree!
Pitts beck valley is close to the village of Netherton and no doubt would have more wooded areas in the 1770's with clearings could have been called Royd in Pitts beck valley ???
Also fits the header of thread name -exactly on location
Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
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Pitts beck or Priest Royd
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A positive firm - That's where it was! is impossible to say as a fact.
But! 99% chance Pitts Royd is Glen Royd Netherton near the Star Inn
After talking to locals at "Horbury bridge, from what is the only info about an entry in an 18th century parish register of Thornhill, abode Pitts Royd, Netherton
Priest Royd is possible but its not in Netherton
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In Google map search box - enter just - Glen Royd WF4 4HR
What is coming up. SOUTH LANE NETHERTON WAKEFIELD
Planning Application at Glen Royd Netherton
http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/localplansitespecificplans/53-consultation-draft-2010-green-belt-review.pdf
See (near bottom of list in link) W 142 housing planning application (numbers don't follow in order )
Says:- To retain green belt allocation
All I can only deduce/conclude from scant info and location at (Star Inn) South lane, Netherton
Pitts Royd was strongly possible from scant vague info and common sence basic logic, a secluded valley that Pitts beck ran/runs down at the back of the Star Inn Netherton
Glen Royd, South Lane, Netherton, Wakefield WF4 4HR
https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/glen-royd/south-lane/netherton/wakefield/wf4-4hr/25635085
So!! What is in Netherton is South Lane WF4 4HR
A Glen is a valley or
Dictionary says:
Glen A NOUN
1.
a small, narrow, secluded valley.
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Pitts beck ( a small stream by South Lane, Netherton)
Pitts beck wood South lane Netherton.
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Best I can do! I'm afraid to say! as no positivity of exact location to say beyond doubt .::)
:)
Glen Royd, South Lane, Netherton, Wakefield WF4 4HR
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Netherton,+Wakefield+WF4+4HR/@53.6440431,-1.5763462,577m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48796163bde8c11b:0x5c7dc0bb6931a68f!8m2!3d53.6438236!4d-1.5774668
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6437487,-1.5778931,3a,75y,340.73h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suHySH5oX7zPUfLJ1n7qTaQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
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Morning Dobfarm
Thank you for your research into this matter and is wholly appreciated. From your posts I am assuming you are an expert in one or more forms of history, which, from the information you have furbished us with is helping to narrow/widen our focus.
There is certainly scant information available on the location of Pitt Royd in Thornhill area, which is frustrating, but given there is a documented Pitt Royd located in Silkstone, near Barnsley, and our ancestors did reside there, could it be they were associated with Thornhill Parish Church and travelled there from Silkstone or the Silkstone Hey's a completely different line?! Given most of the population around that time were tenants it might be an idea to research the landowners rental/tenancy records.
Savile Estate records are available for that research but for the Silkstone area who were the landlords there. This might be the way to break the impasse. Below is more documented evidence of Pitt Royd in Silkstone held by Barnsley Archives:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/89505834-eed3-42e2-bcf2-7680817bcbcc
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/32d5ee2c-045e-467d-b268-0f0964900848
Thanks again for your time, effort and knowledge.
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Hi Margaret
First, I'm no expert in history ;D other than blundering away by trial & error finding my own family history or helping other people finding their F H - leaning as we go - visiting, archives, graveyards and the like.
(I do know the areas you are researching ! as I travel them by car or bus with my free bus pass in my retirement and I've been doing my early Xmas present shopping in the good weather of late.
We have a bus service from Holmfirth to Penistone then it goes onto Chapeltown near Sheffield & Rotherham, that I use a lot, then I bus it from Penistone to Barnsley through Silkstone common and Silkstone village, returning home, I travel to Wakefield by bus for Barnsley, then a bus to Huddersfield that passes by the Star inn in Netherton. I also buy petrol in Dewsbury (1.20 a litre cheapest in West Yorkshire) and pass through Thornhill en-route to Wakefield by car.)
To travel to Thornhill parish from Silkstone parish at the shortest points would have crossed over 3 other parishes being either Emley or Sandal Magna parishes and then High Hoyland Parish and Cawthorne Parish over hills and farms seems doubtful on terrain alone besides the different church authorities rules & regs . (See snippet parish map image)
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Hi
Maybe just a matter of interest, if you are still interested, but recently I came across the whereabouts of a Pitt Royd only 3.5 miles from Thornhill Parish Church! On researching the history of a farm in Kirkheaton, my G Grandfather purchased in early 1900's, I came across, by accident, the place name 'Pitt Royd'. At Kirklees Archives in Huddersfield I viewed a large and amazing map of 1720, which belonged to the Whitley Beaumont Estate, a beautifully illustrated map. Within the 1st minute I spotted it and it is located (I think, as its difficult to orientate and pick out the trackways adjacent to the site) near Liley Lane 1/2 way between Kirkheaton and Grange Moor. I have attached two images, one of the map and a document giving the acreage. The farm I have been researching there is a dwelling indicating a farm drawn on the map, but regarding Pitt Royd there is no indication of a building within the field boundaries, so may not be the Pitt Royd associated with William Hey unfortunately. Take care.
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Hi,
Not sure if you worked out your Pitt Royd puzzle but I've just discovered an ancestor of mine - Richard Taylor - was the father of your Elizabeth Taylor who married William Hey at Thornhill around 1735. Richard was baptised in Thornhill around 1686 and died in 1742. His burial record states he was buried in Thornhill but died at Pitt Royd. This would presumably have been at Netherton and not the other one you were considering as there are also other family links to Netherton, near Thornhill. Hope this helps if you still need it. Take care.
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Hi All,
I've been looking at the shelleyite map to the location of Pitt Royd to the old Whitley Beaumont Hall and Liley (Lily) lane that is now the B6118 to Grange Moor from Bradley (Bog Green Lane) Huddersfield. The old Whitley Beaumont Hall is now a Quarry (thus Pitt Royd would be part of the Quarry now or near by fields).
Whitey Hall Temple or Black Dick's Tower is about (Beginning of the Whitley Hall Drive where the Tower is located on the hill above the drive) roughly where Pit Royd was.
What is a question - is the reference to Pitt Royd as an abode when it seems to be a farmers field? or an entrance gate to Whitey Beaumont Hall - which could have had an entrance cottage & a entrance estate security officer of some kind. ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeMXfTL4eck
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Hi Dobfarm
Thanks for your response. I wish to inform you that I have found the location of another Pitt Royd, which is nearer to Thornhill and is looking good for the actual dwelling site for our (possible) ancestors registered in the Thornhill Parish Registers in the 17th/18th centuries. I found it in a newspaper advert of the 'Wakefield and West Riding Herald 08 August 1856'.
Not possible to pin point it exactly, but its locality is off South Lane/Stocksmoor Lane(or Road now), south of Netherton, which is a little closer to your Pitts Beck.
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Hi Dobfarm
Just to add to that, not far from your Pits Beck is Whitley Farm. In the 1841 Census for that farm is a George Hey, 15 years old - cannot make out his occupation. Our GGG is a George Hey, born in Silkstone, 1824, but he is missing from the 1841 census for that area. Could he have moved out of that household to go working as an Agricultural Labourer to the farm above, given our presumed connections with both geographical regions? One problem with that is the age discrepancy - 15 on the 1841 census but he would have been 16 or 17 at that time. Would he have known his actual age given possible illiteracy?
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Hi DominoD
Thanks for your response. Fascinating we might have a common ancestor! Still trying to find concrete evidence of our links with Thornhill though. Just posted a reply to Dobfarm regarding my recent discovery of another Pitt Royd near Netherton which might be worth a read.
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Here is a map with an area roughly outlined where Pitt Royd may have been.
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One problem with that is the age discrepancy - 15 on the 1841 census but he would have been 16 or 17 at that time. Would he have known his actual age given possible illiteracy?
Not a problem - for anyone aged over 15 in the 1841 census, the age was supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 below; so 16 or 17 should appear as 15, 22 as 20, etc etc.
(Occasionally you find a section with exact ages, and I suspect some might have rounded up rather than down.)
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Hi Arthurk
Thanks for your response. Interesting they did that but I wonder what time of year they took the census's.
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The 1841 census was taken on the night of Sunday 6 June. From 1851 to 1911 the dates were late March or early April; 1921 was 19 June.
The National Archives guide to censuses deals with this kind of question (though it doesn't cover 1921 yet):
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/census-records/
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Thanks again for those facts. Really interesting.
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Longshot or long term project by someone with a bit of time or interest in with online resources to undertake a mission.
Thinking of place names, buildings where people lived, from streets to farm pastures that have possible dwellings in the fields like farm workers tied cottages or main farm residences in fields.
Working various decades of Census Enumerators routes with funny named places where Pitt(s) Royd is thought to be from known info of locations in/around Netherton (to and around Middestown, Overton en route to Grange moor), Thornhill parish boundary, West Bretton/Midgley (Silkstone Parish) Kirkheaton parish and from Thornhill towards Dewsbury area. To add further: The other side of the river Calder at Horbury bridge on the hill side below Ossett or Horbury village may also be of interest.
Helpful maps website
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14&lat=53.65039&lon=-1.54985&layers=102&b=1&z=0&point=53.65843,-1.55955
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Hi Dobfarm
Thanks for your response. I wish to inform you that I have found the location of another Pitt Royd, which is nearer to Thornhill and is looking good for the actual dwelling site for our (possible) ancestors registered in the Thornhill Parish Registers in the 17th/18th centuries. I found it in a newspaper advert of the 'Wakefield and West Riding Herald 08 August 1856'.
Not possible to pin point it exactly, but its locality is off South Lane/Stocksmoor Lane(or Road now), south of Netherton, which is a little closer to your Pitts Beck.
I've copied a snippet of the newspaper clip to add to a map snippet below with Windy Bank on both snippets
Bits from all the snippets and maps you posted shelleyite - With Windy Hill position on 2 items point to Whitley Hall drive entrance (Dicks Temple) as Pits Royd
Unless Royd Pitts is a different place to Pitts Royd ?
Being there are different Royd's around Thornhill like Royd cottage etc and coal pits - could one coal pit be called Royd Pit similar to Stony Royd pit (There is one call that near Thornhill.)
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Hi
I'm inclined to think the Pitt Royd mentioned in the newspaper clipping is closer to the mark for me, but I take your point and its worth looking at all the evidence that's been dug up so far. Thanks. Its trying to establish a link between Netherton/Thornhill/ Shitlington and Silkstone/Cawthorne where our ancestors definitely resided in 19thC. Looking at a recently found Parish Map of this part of West Yorkshire (see attachment), Silkstone Parish boundary extended to West Bretton, a stones throw from the presumed location of Pitt Royd! Coincidence?
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As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.
Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic. ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton
Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325
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sugarfizzle - Margaret
Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send ??? :)
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Its possibly here by your latest info - See MAP LINK (above 2018 old post) -Star inn and Star farm with Upper and Lower Windy bank west of Star farm (Lower left corner of link map)
Upper Windy Bank
Lower Windy
Stocks moor Road and Lane
Nether Shitlington
West Bretton
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As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.
Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic. ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton
Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325
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sugarfizzle - Margaret
Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send ??? :)
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Its possibly here by your latest info - See MAP LINK (above 2018 old post) -Star inn and Star farm with Upper and Lower Windy bank west of Star farm (Lower left corner of link map)
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For Windy bank farm use satellite view in link
Zoom in or out on link below using cursor wheel
http://www.livebus.org/west-yorkshire/stops/450022295/
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Upper Windy Bank
Lower Windy
Stocks moor Road and Lane
Nether Shitlington
West Bretton
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I have found in this link- it maybe just a 19th century name of the coal pit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bretton
West Bretton
Scroll down to Industry
4th line down say as below:
xploit coal which outcropped in Bretton but were small in scale. A mine was operated by Thomas Wood in 1806, Bretton Colliery managed by Tweedale and Watson paid rent to the estate in 1820s and bell pit, the Gate Royd Pits, (near the motorway service area)
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Hi
Inclined to agree with your rough location, regarding you first post today, and I am probably going to take some dissuading otherwise. Thanks
With reference to your second post, the position of that is a bit out on a limb and 'Gate' in front weakens the suggestion. Alas, I have found another reference to Pitt Royd in West Bretton, documented twice. Pytroid in 1529 (YD vi) and Pitt Royds (spelling is the same when documented in the Thornhill Parish Regs!) in 1653, gleaned from Place Names of W R Yorkshire Part ii. May be its the same Pitt Royd as the one near Windy Bank.?
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Resized attachment as first attempt was chopped in half!
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Hi DominoD
Thanks for your response. Fascinating we might have a common ancestor! Still trying to find concrete evidence of our links with Thornhill though. Just posted a reply to Dobfarm regarding my recent discovery of another Pitt Royd near Netherton which might be worth a read.
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Before we start - the following:
We have Pitt Royd with Hawksworth, - Just off lane from Netherton (South Lane) to Stocks moor, then Windy Bank and now ~The Nabbs ?~ Also a William Hey in Thornhill parish register of Pitt Royd and George Hey 1841 census of Whitley (Netherton) (off South Lane and Green lane)'
Where is Pitt Royd exact location - We have not got a clue ???
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From the The National Archives Discovery website -sub archive = Doc's kept at Barnsley Archive
Read all 3 pages as there are a few mentions of Pitt Royd
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/1?_q=pitt%20royd&_dss=range&_sd=1600&_ed=1999
Copy. Agreement to make tenants, etc. for suffering a recovery
This record is held by Barnsley Archive and Local Studies Department
See contact details
Reference: SpSt/64713/3
snippet from above
"Messuage called the Nabbs where Elizabeth Wood, widow, dwells, with barns, stables and all the closes called Pitt Royd, Pitt Royd Ing ... the Great Fickles, the Nether Fickles etc.,"
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If you bring up Google books web page and search Pitt Royde (With the e) -you will find ref to Pitt Royd Netherton - This gives little info other than proving a Pitt Royd was part of nearby Netherton (Not Netherton Huddersfield) of Horbury Bridge of Thornhill parish or the otherside of Netherton (Shillington) being Midgley, Stocksmoor, West Bretton of Silkstone Parish
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The Publications of the Yorkshire Parish Register Societybooks.google.co.uk › books
1911 · Snippet view
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October 9 Richard Son Thomas Haigh , Mitt Royd Green 15 Elizabeth Dau : of Joseph Oldroyd , Pitt Royd Netherton Farmer 16 Samuel Son of John Ilingworth , Cowm Hill Labourer 23 James Son of John Goodere , Thornhill Clothmaker Judith Dau ...
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Hi again
Thanks again for your input and taking up your personal time to research this.
I have already come across the recordings of Pitt Royd in Silkstone in the Barnsley Archives, which is what confused us initially. We walked that locality and I think we found the place to be in the region of Kine Moor, Silkstone where there is a farm complex.
With the Thornhill Parish Registers, I applied the search button to find all Pitt Royd entries, whatever the family surname, and there are quite a few. It seems like the all locate it to the areas already discussed.
I feel confident the Netherton link is the one though. Next in line for research is to browse the Savile Estate records/archives for Pitt Royd/Hey links to be certain of my assumption, but I fear that is going to be along and arduous task, as I am little lost as to where to look specifically i.e. Rent books, Tennant lists etc., etc. These records are spread out over three different places, Huddersfield, Dewsbury and Nottingham!!
Again, thanks for your time on this Dobfarm. Appreciated
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Thanks for your last post reply yo mine.
As you say there seems to be Pitt Royds's popingup in various places. Looking at your reference to Pitt Royd like "William Hey baptism 1700's in Thornhill parish register" could be either - That alone could be the Pitt Royd at Beaumont/Whitley Hall (Refer your maps) as Lower Whitley, GrangeMoor came under Thornhill parish but also did (The illusive Pitt Royd ) Netherton to Midgely (Shitlington)
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Thornhill/Thornhill68
Whitley Hall Park Grangemoor and Lower Whitley in Thornhill parish
https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948271
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Hi.
The meaning of the word Royd is;- Small areas of land were cleared by farming families from forest and moorland. These clearings were often enclosed with a hedge. The legal name for this was 'assarting'. In the local dialect, cleared land was called a 'royd'. This was from the Old English word 'rod'.
What I would guess based on the above and the woodland round Pitt Beck top behind the Star inn comes to an abrupt stop then into buildings or cleared land of Netherton in Nether Shitlington township. ?
From the fact that George Hey age 15 was at Whitley Netherton 1841
Map snippet 1849
A road off or adjoining the Netherton to Stocks Moor lane
Pitts Beck
After a visit to Netherton today locals say they haven't a ruddy clue about Pitt (s) Royd but say my 1849 map snippet info below is logical.
Well shelleyite Its the best I can do as to Pitt Royd where abouts with out proof or anthing only know knowledge as above. If any other place mentioned in the newspaper cutting- then Wind bank upper or lower with a side road/lane off South lane or Upper lane main road as an area to explore.
Good Hunting.
Dave (dobfarm)
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Hi.
Alongside your Wakefield 1860's newspaper article snippet, there is this as proof - A Pitt Royd was in Netherton Horbury Bridge.
The Publications of the Yorkshire Parish Register Societybooks.google.co.uk › Google books
1911 · Snippet view
FOUND INSIDE
October 9 Richard Son Thomas Haigh , Mitt Royd Green 15 Elizabeth Dau : of Joseph Oldroyd , Pitt Royd Netherton Farmer 16 Samuel Son of John Ilingworth , Cowm Hill Labourer 23 James Son of John Goodere , Thornhill Clothmaker Judith Dau ...
The meaning of the word Royd is;- Small areas of land were cleared by farming families from forest and moorland. These clearings were often enclosed with a hedge. The legal name for this was 'assarting'. In the local dialect, cleared land was called a 'royd'. This was from the Old English word 'rod'.
What I would guess based on the above and the woodland round Pitt Beck top behind the Star inn comes to an abrupt stop then into buildings or cleared land of Netherton in Nether Shitlington township. ?
From the fact that George Hey age 15 was at Whitley Netherton 1841
Map snippet 1849
A road off or adjoining the Netherton to Stocks Moor lane
Pitts Beck
After a visit to Netherton today locals say they haven't a ruddy clue about Pitt (s) Royd but say my 1849 map snippet info below is logical.
Well shelleyite Its the best I can do as to Pitt Royd where abouts with out proof or anthing only know knowledge as above. If any other place mentioned in the newspaper cutting- then Wind bank upper or lower with a side road/lane off South lane or Upper lane main road as an area to explore.
Good Hunting.
Dave (dobfarm)
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Maybe worth looking up at Wakefield WYAS or its new name History centre Wakefield
Regarding Highway Indictment by Joseph Oldroyd of a road at Netherton 1809 - 1810
https://www.catalogue.wyjs.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=C000330%2f2%2f1&pos=15
Thornhill parish register
15th Oct 1785
15 Elizabeth Dau : of Joseph Oldroyd , Pitt Royd Netherton Farmer