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Title: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 19:23 BST (UK)
I am trying to trace George James Brown b.Ludchurch, Weston near Haverfordwest in Wales 1850 who was married to Catherine Mortimer d.1893

He son George Mortimer Brown emigrated to Boston in 1894 and lived there and in New York with his wife Mary,  He returned to Wales in 1900 and 1907.  His brother Osborne came back with him in 1907.

Their father was living in Llanelly in 1901 with another brother, Albert.  He then disappears and it's possible that he also emigrated to the US.

Where should I start looking for him?
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 29 July 18 19:35 BST (UK)
This is the family in 1891 - The Quay Milford Pembrokeshire Wales

George Brown   39 Catherine M Brown   46
Cathermer I Brown   11 Oarako P Brown   8
Benjamin M Brown   7 Albert M Brown   5
Osborne Brown   3

1901 census Llanelly Wales

RG13 Piece 5088 Folio 42 Page 31

George Jas Brown   49
Albert M Brown   14

Birth Record - Albert Mortimer Brown - Q3 - 1886 Haverfordwest Pembrokeshire - 11a 995



Sandra

Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 29 July 18 19:40 BST (UK)
Your ancestry tree shows Albert Mortimer Brown married in 1916 - so its just 1901 - 1916 your looking for  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 19:46 BST (UK)
Correct.  I know he was in wales in 1901 but have exhausted UK searches so I am now wondering whether he also went to the US. Are there any US records that he might be on?
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 29 July 18 20:15 BST (UK)

You could try searching a couple of free sites - New York Passenger Lists (link below) - he may have gone via Canada.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1368704

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/pages/introduction.aspx


If he was in the USA - he should show on the 1910 census

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1727033

Sandra
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 20:54 BST (UK)
Thanks.  I am not having any joy with 1910 and bizarrely I can't find his son George and his wife Mary either but I know they were on Boston or New York then.
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 29 July 18 21:16 BST (UK)
Was he a"steward" on the ships in the early 1900's  ???  Noticed both George and Osborne were listed as Stewards in 1900.

On the passport application 8 June 1920 he was listed as a steward.

1930 census East 166 St. Bronx New York -

George brown 52 years - first married at 28 years - steward for private family. imm 1898. NA.
Mary was 50 years 0 first married at 28 years - imm 1902. NA.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7D8-D4T

1940 census

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ5F-H9W


Sandra



Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 21:21 BST (UK)
I have found no record of him on a ship. I presumed  that he was a household  butler as his passport application stated he was resident in the US except for 2 trips to uk in 1900 and 1907.
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 30 July 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Quote from: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 21:21 BST (UK)
I have found no record of him on a ship. I presumed  that he was a household  butler as his passport application stated he was resident in the US except for 2 trips to uk in 1900 and 1907.

George Mortimer Brown married Mary Ellie McNamara in 1903.

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:243Q-D4F

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Here they are returning in 1907 from looks like a visit to Mary's father P. Mcnamara.

Ship's list: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX24-KPR

They are on lines 25 & 26, Images 287 & 288
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WWI Draft: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K6JM-P98

1920 Passport Application: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV5B-2W8M
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Monday 30 July 18 18:56 BST (UK)
Brilliant.  Thanks for the help.  I knew he had returned to the UK in 1907 but not who he was seeing nor did I know that Peter McNamara lived in Cloone in Ireland.

I am surprised that he is recorded as widowed on the marriage record as I have no record of a first wife.
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 30 July 18 21:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: alan o on Sunday 29 July 18 21:21 BST (UK)
I have found no record of him on a ship. I presumed  that he was a household  butler as his passport application stated he was resident in the US except for 2 trips to uk in 1900 and 1907.

Finally found George's 1900 trip.

It appears his brother Osborne was with him on that trip.

They are on lines 21 & 22, Images 801 & 801. Their distination is NY and ??? Home

Geo M: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX81-36D

Osborne: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JX81-366
Title: Re: George J Brown - possible US Immigrant?
Post by: alan o on Tuesday 31 July 18 07:48 BST (UK)
Osborne is recorded in Haverfordwest workhourse in 1895 where he took part in a race at an athletics event

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4332827/4332833/68/

I can only assume that as his mother was dead and father had a history of being arrested for drunkeness the workhouse was his only option until his eldest brother came back for him in 1900.

I am no closer to finding George Brown senior but I am beginning to wonder whether he never left Wales and died before 1911.