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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: Debbyh on Monday 30 July 18 13:56 BST (UK)
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Hi my name is Debby Heavey
I don't know if anyone can help. I am trying to trace my husband's ancestors and have really hit a brick wall. My husband's grandfather was Eugene Heavey from Ahabeg, Lixnaw in County Kerry. He was born out of wedlock and baptised with his mother's surname Quilter. Having come to a standstill there I hoped to have better luck with his grandmother who was named Ellen Kelly, however I am equally finding this impossible. I know she and Eugene married in 1917 at the Church of the Causeway in Ballyduff and that her father was named John Kelly ( a labourer). But that is all I can find. She died before my husband's parents married in 1955 but when I do not know exactly when and I can find no records. My husband's father died in 1976 so I am really stumped. If anyone has any knowledge of Ellen Kelly I would be very grateful. Who knew research would be this tricky!
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When was Ellen Kelly born? If you've already found her in 1901 and 1911 census then please post the links to save us from having to search for the same information.
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Hi
Thank you for a swift reply.I am sorry but I have no idea when she was born. I only know the marriage certificate says she is of full age and was a spinster. I don't even know if she was born in Ballyduff. I know when she married the family lived in Ahabeg. On the 1901 and 1911 census Eugene works on his uncle Francis Quilter's farm so I assume he is still doing this when they married. There were many children - Eugene born 1919, Joseph 1918, Elizabeth 1925, Thomas 1926, Bridget 1925, Sean 1924, Eileen 1928, Myra 1931 and Patrick 1932. There is also an Agnes who I often saw when we lived in Coventry (who I can find no record of.) Of course many of the girls' names are different Myra is Mary Ann and Eileen is Ellen so I assume Agnes must have a different birth name. Most of the family moved to England. Eugene (dad) is buried in Coventry as are Myra, Eugene and Thomas ( my husband's father) Eileen and Agnes are the remaining family members. Elizabeth became a nun. That, I am afraid, is the sum total of my knowledge.
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Quite a bit of useful information on the marriage certificate- Ellen was living in Creveen-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09740/5534587.pdf
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I spotted Creveen but got 'no results' when I looked at the 1901 and 1911 census. Are there other records which might help that I could access? I also wondered whether or not she was in domestic service. Does of full age mean she was over the age of 18? I have my father in law's birth certificate but apart from her name there is no other clue to help either. Thank you again
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I spotted Creveen but got 'no results' when I looked at the 1901 and 1911 census. Are there other records which might help that I could access? I also wondered whether or not she was in domestic service. Does of full age mean she was over the age of 18? I have my father in law's birth certificate but apart from her name there is no other clue to help either. Thank you again
Does of full age mean she was over the age of 18? Yes!!
Full Age was 21...or more
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That's what I thought. Eugene was born in 1885, but again that doesn't help!
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keep an eye on these
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Ballyduff/Ballyduff_Town/272102/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10195/5709839.pdf
a brother ? John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09893/5594678.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Ardagh/Kilmore/1420220/
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Thank you - those records are interesting and certainly have some cross overs. I will have a good look at these and see if they lead anywhere. Fingers crossed!
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they appear to be children of John Kelly and Ellen Fitzmaurice who married 1866
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mft/
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If Eugene Heavey (the father) was serving as a RIC officer in Kerry than he's not likely to be from Kerry I think.
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If Eugene Heavey (the father) was serving as a RIC officer in Kerry than he's not likely to be from Kerry I think.
Can not serve in native county, wife's native county or a county with direct family residing therein....
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he did'nt live with his father
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Kiltomy/Ahabeg_East/1420865/
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Quite right. He is a very elusive character. The story is Eugene ( hubby's grandfather) was given his father's name. He was baptised Quilter but on the 1901 and 19011 census appears under the name Heavey living with his relatives. So I assume Heavey was the father's surname. His mother Bessie is there in 1901 but has moved by 1911. My mother in law says her husband talked of his grandmother so she must have been around after his mother died.There is no Eugene Heavey RIC who fits the bill but I did find an Owen. Bessie's brother was in the RIC and went onto become a sergeant. Again I assume it was through her brother Bessie met the RIC Heavey. I have been in contact with the RIC forum where I spoke with someone who it turns out is a cousin of my husband who says his mother believed the RIC Heavey came from Athenry in Galway. Bessie never married and was a nurse or midwife. She stayed in the area up to 1911 at least and must have been some character! They are an interesting family to research!
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he did'nt live with his father
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kerry/Kiltomy/Ahabeg_East/1420865/
Eugene Heavey (the father) was serving as a RIC officer in Kerry than he's not likely to be from Kerry
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Quite right. He is a very elusive character. The story is Eugene ( hubby's grandfather) was given his father's name. He was baptised Quilter but on the 1901 and 19011 census appears under the name Heavey living with his relatives. So I assume Heavey was the father's surname. His mother Bessie is there in 1901 but has moved by 1911. My mother in law says her husband talked of his grandmother so she must have been around after his mother died.There is no Eugene Heavey RIC who fits the bill but I did find an Owen. Bessie's brother was in the RIC and went onto become a sergeant. Again I assume it was through her brother Bessie met the RIC Heavey. I have been in contact with the RIC forum where I spoke with someone who it turns out is a cousin of my husband who says his mother believed the RIC Heavey came from Athenry in Galway. Bessie never married and was a nurse or midwife. She stayed in the area up to 1911 at least and must have been some character! They are an interesting family to research!
Stuffing everything into 1 paragraph makes difficult reading!!
Have you found the father who was in RIC in census??
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My apologies! I have been tracking an Owen Heavey. My instinct is it was Owen as:
1. when I looked into derivatives of the name Owen I found Eugene. Certainly the name Eugene does not appear in the Quilter line until then.
2. He fits the bill as regards being born born in Athenry, Galway.
3. The info I also got was that Eugene RIC died in Dublin and the Owen Heavey I found did die in Dublin too
But I cannot be 100% sure it is him.
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Eugene and Owen are interchangeable so he could be Owen Heavey-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/St__Columba_s_Road_Lower/27168
Marriage of Owen and Emma-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10183/5704790.pdf
Owen's death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04729/4264540.pdf
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Irish newspapers show various references to a Constable Owen Heavey which might be of interest. Do his service records give an indication of postings/dates?
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Bessie Quilter also gets a few mentions-
Kerry Evening Post, 2 Feb.1898: … to the gums. warned her that it was poison, and told her how to use it. It was a common care for toothache. ... Bessie Quilter, sister of deceased, said her sister had two teeth drawn, and was in great agony. After it happened, deceased told her ...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05835/4652698.pdf
Kerry Evening Post, 23 Mar.1901: ... of midwife for the Tralee district at £20 a year was next taken up. There were three applicants for the position; Miss Bessie Quilter; Mrs J Carey, and Miss Norah Hester. On a division, Miss Quitter waa elected by votes Mrs Margaret O’Leary was unanimously...
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Eugene and Owen are interchangeable so he could be Owen Heavey-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/St__Columba_s_Road_Lower/27168
Marriage of Owen and Emma-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10183/5704790.pdf
Owen's death?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04729/4264540.pdf
That info was given here!!
by Sean Ryan
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District Inspector 2nd Class
District Inspector 2nd Class
February 24th, 2018, 4:37 pm #25
Owen Heavey married Emma Butterly nee Clinton in Glasnevin on 25 Oct 1905. His father was Owen Heavey, a farmer who was dead and her father was Richard Clinton , a farmer and dead.
He resided at 4 Killarney Parade, Dublin and she resided at 8 Lower St., Bridgets Rd., Druncondra.
In the 1911 census they are residing in St Columba's Rd. Lower, Druncondra. Owen is Ex Head Const. RIC and born in Co Galway and Emma is shown born in New York
https://irishconstabulary.com/sergeant-john-quilter-and-eugene-heavey-t2080-s15.html?sid=f58ad707c85013ea7b221f1678c3e301#p10204
but wasn't even mentioned here!!
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Unless a link to previous details are posted we have no way of knowing such details have already been found.
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January 15th, 2016, 5:18 pm #3
He was born in Ahabeg, Lixnaw, Kerry in 1864. His full name was John Michael Quilter. I had access to a record( internet) which shows him to be a sergeant. The rest on the record were constables. He was given a service medal in 1903. In the 1911 census he was living in Glen, Ballybricken Limerick (aged 47). Type J and Q TO BRING UP THE RECORD.
December 29th, 2017, 2:03 pm #12
Owen Heavey 35351 was born circa 1848 in Galway (East), near Lotrd Dunsandles estate (who recommended him for the RIC). He retired as a Head Constable on 19 March 1901, and died 22 Nov 1915 - his widow was Emma Heavey who was American by birth.
Owen served in a number of counties including the Reserve (at Dublin).
https://irishconstabulary.com/sergeant-john-quilter-and-eugene-heavey-t2080.html#p9941
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Possibly Emma Clinton-
1855 census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K67X-T6F
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Unless a link to previous details are posted we have no way of knowing such details have already been found.
Yes they should have been mentioned or people end up reinventing the wheel!
I just googled "Constable Owen Heavey" and found that then posted a link to it to stop others wasting time looking for what has already been found!
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To be fair the thread was meant to be about the Kelly's, it was me who dragged the Heavey's into it.
It was just meant to be a passing observation for when the OP was looking at the father.
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That's interesting that Owen and Eugene are interchangeable. My husband has always wondered. I do hope this turns out to be him! My apologies Sean I did mention the forum in an earlier post and it was info on the site from both yourself and others which helped confirm my ideas. No offence was intended. Thank you for the news references to Bessie. I am on hubby's laptop as mine has crashed with Owen's records on it so will download again and check. I think Peter on RIC forum equated head constable to an inspector so I can see why he might have appeared so frequently. John Michael Quilter is definitely Bessie's brother. Will now track both Emma and Owen as well as the Kelly leads, as I am now even more certain it is him. Thank you for all your help everyone and I apologise for any inconvenience I may have caused.
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To be fair the thread was meant to be about the Kelly's, it was me who dragged the Heavey's into it.
It was just meant to be a passing observation for when the OP was looking at the father.
5 minutes on naughty step!! ;D ;D
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Apologies again!
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There is an Owen Heavey buried Glasnevin 1915
transcribed as Heany on civil index age 59 ? but right address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05259/4458999.pdf
John Green was informant
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Inn_s_Quay/Killarney_Parade/18082/
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Have looked at this and you are right - address is correct. Would he have been referred to as ex RIC on death certificate? Think age isn't quite correct too. In 1911 census Owen is 63 but this Owen died aged 59 if I am reading it correctly.
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According to reply 22 this topic he died Nov 1915 which i presume was taken from his service record,as John Greene was the informant he probably did'nt know his age.
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John Greene appears to have been Emma's brother in law
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10819/5945900.pdf
Emma was living in Louth on her first marriage to John Butterly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10418/5793179.pdf
she appears to have died in Dillonstown 1932
search archives for probate
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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Emma sounds a really interesting character. The family must have been well off for her to have been recorded as 'lady' on her first marriage record, particularly as her father also was recorded as a 'gentleman' as was her first husband. In her will she left £220 which by today's standards would be over £6000. I will trace the family.Perhaps she moved to Louth to be closer to her family -as John Greene and Emma's sister married there. Emma also lived to a good age.
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Wonder is there any connection here
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Crusheen/Ballyline/1068564/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Crusheen/Ballyline/352325/
marriage 1877
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11137/8078364.pdf
pension application 1916 unfortunately does not say if family found .
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246689/007246689_01300.pdf
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Ellen Kelly still married died 1886 Kilmore
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06254/4791261.pdf
John Kelly widower died Kilmore 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06209/4776444.pdf
his will unfortunately he does not name his children
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/wr/007604227_00588.pdf
effects £126
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014901/005014901_00549.pdf
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John Kelly born 1841 son of Ambrose married Ellen Fitzmaurice born 1846 dtr of John
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDL-M6X
Ambrose appears to have died 1880 age 86 informant Catherine Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06455/4855700.pdf
Catherine Kelly died 1881 age 55 informant John Kelly stepson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06426/4846243.pdf
possibly Catherine Connor married 1854
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mh0/
also saw this 1893 alpabetical list of R I C Constables another Owen in Mullinahone
http://winters-online.net/devia-hibernia/station-index.html
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John Fitzmaurice age 70 still married died Jan 3rd 1880 Clashmelcon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06483/4865377.pdf
Mary Fitzmurice age 73 widow died 14th May 1880 Clashmelcon
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06472/4861682.pdf
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https://www.logainm.ie/23791.aspx Clashmelcon
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possibly this couple
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mh1/
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Ellen Fitzmaurice/Kelly born 1844
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mhp/
brother Stephen born 1839
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mhq/
married Ellen Sullivan 1865 Richland,Ohio
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZ55-RMN
died a violent death 1928 struck by Railroad Train while crossing track
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9PK4-SHMS?i=1457&cc=1307272
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/14420589/stephen-fitzmaurice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland,_Cincinnati,_Chicago_and_St._Louis_Railway
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Hi
Just got back after 2 weeks away. You have certainly been busy. Looking forward to getting stuck into these new leads as well as tieing up some of the other records you've found. Thank you so much. This previously empty side of the family tree is certainly growing!
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New thread started today :-\
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=816041.0